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Re: Standards 2009

Postby Big Phil » Tue May 19, 2009 1:27 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:
doggies4eva wrote:
whufc wrote:The way Central are playing this year and the team we have i don't think we would have been sitting 7-0 last year.

The standard has definatley gone down, but that may be due to the competition being a bit tighter this season therefore more pressure and defensive tactics applied, meaning the skills are harder to apply.


But whufc, if there is more pressure and defensive tactics applied then that means that the standard has gone up! for example I thought that the dogs played reasonable well (considering it is still early in the season) against Norwood. Norwood nearly won by playing 4 quarters of good footy. Where that went last week when they played Glenelg I don't know but then Port came out and challenged the doggies. Make sme think other sides are improving but inconsistant.


That could be the problem - the other sides are trying to challange CEntrals, whereas during a lot of the previous seasons, at least during the minor rounds, other teams were on par with them.


Whilst I agree with most points in part, I think the thing we may have to be cautious of is I reckon as the season is starting to progress we will see much more improvement and more challenges (and wins against) to Centrals.

I think the Dogs have had just a slightly above average start to the season and have been lucky to be 7-0 while some of the more fancied challengers have had a fairly indifferent start to the 2009 campaign.

I think another factor that will start to weigh into the equation is form and injuries. I just feel there are a few Centrals players prone to lapses in form and at present the Dogs have been hit hard with injury, even more so now. Both Paul Thomas and Justin Hardy (who has been superb down back for them) are going to be sidelined for at least a month with broken bones in the hand.

Whilst there are a couple of quality experienced players to come back in the mix in the coming weeks, I think the timing of the draw will start to even the comp out a little. Centrals had a fairly modest draw to start the year and now come up to a much more challenging period in the season facing sides that have progressively shown improvement. The timing of these key injuries will certainly help the other sides Centrals face in this period.

Eagles at Woodville (after the State game bye) is always a challenge for Centrals and then the game that will really test them I feel is the Double Blues at Unley on the public holiday Monday. I guess the thing that falls in their favour is the extra depth Centrals seem to have this year with most of the 'fringe' blokes in the reserves in pretty good form, which always helps.

I say watch this space over the next 6 to 8 weeks as we see some sides really start to build momentum and winning form whilst at the same time reeling the Doggies back in a little, with the points mentioned above regarding Centrals, a contributing factor.
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Re: Standards 2009

Postby whufc » Tue May 19, 2009 1:29 pm

doggies4eva wrote:
whufc wrote:The way Central are playing this year and the team we have i don't think we would have been sitting 7-0 last year.

The standard has definatley gone down, but that may be due to the competition being a bit tighter this season therefore more pressure and defensive tactics applied, meaning the skills are harder to apply.


But whufc, if there is more pressure and defensive tactics applied then that means that the standard has gone up! for example I thought that the dogs played reasonable well (considering it is still early in the season) against Norwood. Norwood nearly won by playing 4 quarters of good footy. Where that went last week when they played Glenelg I don't know but then Port came out and challenged the doggies. Make sme think other sides are improving but inconsistant.


Yeah i guess the better way for me to put it is that the intensity and competitiveness has improved but IMHO the skill level is way down on last year.

For us to be sitting 7-0 and to be playing okay, i would probably say about a 6-7 /10, is probably a sign that the standard has slightly dropped at this point in time.

This time last year we had Glenelg and Sturt playing brilliant, exciting, attacking football. This year Central are the only team that has been really consistent, with other teams showing signs in patches.

Maybe the standard and skill level will improve as the season wears on but here is a list of some of the players we have lost in the SANFL from last season.

-L.Cowan
-L.McCabe
-I.Perrie
-S.Feast
-A.Thompson
-F.Deluca
-G.Bentley
-P.Sherwood
-S.Rudolph
-M.Bode
-D.Wintle
-S.Motlop
-L.Ivens
-B.White
-H.Culpitt
-M.Clayton
-D.Hargraves
-I.Prendergast
-N.Brown
-P.Walsh
-M.Dargicevic
-G.Colville

Thats a fair bit of talent right there missing from last season. I don't think we have had that many players of there standard come in or step up from the younger guys.
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Re: Standards 2009

Postby FlyingHigh » Tue May 19, 2009 2:32 pm

whufc wrote:
doggies4eva wrote:
whufc wrote:The way Central are playing this year and the team we have i don't think we would have been sitting 7-0 last year.

The standard has definatley gone down, but that may be due to the competition being a bit tighter this season therefore more pressure and defensive tactics applied, meaning the skills are harder to apply.


But whufc, if there is more pressure and defensive tactics applied then that means that the standard has gone up! for example I thought that the dogs played reasonable well (considering it is still early in the season) against Norwood. Norwood nearly won by playing 4 quarters of good footy. Where that went last week when they played Glenelg I don't know but then Port came out and challenged the doggies. Make sme think other sides are improving but inconsistant.


Yeah i guess the better way for me to put it is that the intensity and competitiveness has improved but IMHO the skill level is way down on last year.

For us to be sitting 7-0 and to be playing okay, i would probably say about a 6-7 /10, is probably a sign that the standard has slightly dropped at this point in time.

This time last year we had Glenelg and Sturt playing brilliant, exciting, attacking football. This year Central are the only team that has been really consistent, with other teams showing signs in patches.

Maybe the standard and skill level will improve as the season wears on but here is a list of some of the players we have lost in the SANFL from last season.

-L.Cowan
-L.McCabe
-I.Perrie
-S.Feast
-A.Thompson
-F.Deluca
-G.Bentley
-P.Sherwood
-S.Rudolph
-M.Bode
-D.Wintle
-S.Motlop
-L.Ivens
-B.White
-H.Culpitt
-M.Clayton
-D.Hargraves
-I.Prendergast
-N.Brown
-P.Walsh
-M.Dargicevic
-G.Colville

Thats a fair bit of talent right there missing from last season. I don't think we have had that many players of there standard come in or step up from the younger guys.


Quite right whufc. Could also add Ladhams, Bartemucci, Wicks to it, plus others such as Lindsay, Cooper and Pedlar at the end of the year before. It is almost like a generational change in the SANFL.
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Re: Standards 2009

Postby JK » Tue May 19, 2009 2:49 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:Quite right whufc. Could also add Ladhams, Bartemucci, Wicks to it, plus others such as Lindsay, Cooper and Pedlar at the end of the year before. It is almost like a generational change in the SANFL.


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Re: Standards 2009

Postby FlyingHigh » Tue May 19, 2009 2:50 pm

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FlyingHigh wrote:Quite right whufc. Could also add Ladhams, Bartemucci, Wicks to it, plus others such as Lindsay, Cooper and Pedlar at the end of the year before. It is almost like a generational change in the SANFL.


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Re: Standards 2009

Postby doggies4eva » Tue May 19, 2009 3:22 pm

Fair point - here are the ins:

Central District
In:
Ryan WIlliams
Justin Hardy (Tasmania VFL)
Eddie Sansbury (North Melbourne)
Kyle Jenner (Port Adelaide)
Luke Habel (Ganmain - NSW)
Mitch Frail (NSW/ACT Rams)
Ricky Henderson (Mini-Draft)

Glenelg
In:
Tom Couch (Eagles)
Craig Smith (Morphett Vale)
Danny Meyer (Port Rookie)
Brian Donnelly (Mini-draft)
Wayde Mills (Brisbane)
Alex Grima (Hawthorn)

North Adelaide
In:
Daniel Healey (Coach)
Damon White (Port Adelaide Power)
Cain Ackland (St Kilda)
Ben Schwarze (Eagles)
Nathan Brown (West Adelaide)
Luke McEntee (Returning from AFL- Hawthorn)
Djaran Whyman (North Melbourne)
Rory Sloane (Mini-draft via Adelaide)

Norwood
In:
Kieran McGuinness (Returns from O/S)
Gavin Hughes (Returning from AFL/Western Bulldogs)
Andrew Lee (Essendon)
Jack Juniper (Fremantle/Glenelg)
Ben Gunning
Dean Terlich
Bryce Campbell (Crows)
Kris Massie (Crows)
Luke Jericho (Crows)
Nigel James (Tumby Bay)
Brady Dawe (Meadows)
Will Young (Mini-draft)
Port Adelaide Magpies
In:
J Barham (Gisbourne, ex-Power rookie)
I Weetra (Melbourne)
J Young (Werribee)
G Bowes (Gisbourne)
M Beckmans (Sydney rookie)
J Fitzgerald (Sturt)
Jackson Trengove (Mini-draft)

South Adelaide
In:
Mark Bradley
Adam Cockshell (Norwood)
Jak Kennedy-Hunt (Werribee VFL/Geelong Falcons)
Nathan Lyons (Williamstown VFL/Western Jets)
Michael Gugliotta (NT THunder)
Nick McKenna (Burnie)
Simon Dean (West Adelaide/Noarlunga)
Lee Schmidt (Corowa-Rutherglen)
Shaun McKernan (Mini-draft)

Sturt
In:
Brad Vassa
Jake Myles - Zillmere
Matthew Payne - Zillmere
Tim McIntyre - Sydney Swans reserves
Luke Button - returning
Jake Bowen - returning
Jace Bode - returning
Tom Lee (Mini-draft)
Luke Norman (Coach)

West Adelaide
In:
Robert deJongh (Norwood)
Shane Birss (St Kilda)
Fortunato Caruso (Coburg)
Tom Langford (Tassie Devils)
Ryan Willits (Power)
Chris Schmidt (Brisbane - returning, Adelaide Rookie list))
Bronik Davies (Northern Bullants)
Jason Davenport (Mini-draft)
Jesse Laurie (Mini-draft):
Myles Krakouer (Frankston) Son of Phil
Marc Bornholm (Sturt)
Alex Kinal (Sturt)
Cameron Staples (Nth Adel via Uradlia)
Braydn Fisher (returning)
Wade Champion (ex Port Power)

Woodville-West Torrens
In:
Jay Cheep (Geelong VFL)
Ken McGregor (Crows)
Joel Cullen (Henley)
Todd Miles (Minarto Manoora)
Adam Pepe (Port Magpies)
Ben Sanford (South Clare)
Duane Schultz (North Adelaide)
David Westbrook (Returning)
Mitchell Banner (Mini-draft)

I'm more than happy with our ins!
We used to be good :-(
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Re: Standards 2009

Postby whufc » Tue May 19, 2009 7:16 pm

That list is a tad selective to suit your argument

1/ Many of those players played alot of sanfl last season but were listed and now become permanent at an SANFL club eg, Ryan Williams

2/Some of those players played in the SANFL last season just for another club eg, Ben Schwarze

3/ Many of them aren't even close to playing league football this year e,g Mitch Frail

This would be a better list of guys who had no involvement in the SANFL last season and ARE playing regular league football.

-J.Hardy
-E.Sansbury
-K.Jenner
-D.Meyer
-W.Mills
-C.Ackland
-D.Whyman
-R.Sloane
-K.McGuinnes
-G.Hughes
-J.Juniper
-D.Terlich
-J.Barham
-I.Weetra (now playing reserves)
-J.Kennedy-Hunt
-S.McKernan
-L.Schmidt
-M.Payne
-J.Bode
-F.Caruso
-C.Schmidt
-J.Davenport
-J.Cheep (now playing reserves)
-D.Westbrook

That list is very thin on talent proven by the fact that just one of them was selected in the state team C.Schmidt or even close to been selected.
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