Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby dash61 » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:52 pm

sturtpeter wrote:I endorse creative accounting as long as it's within the parameters of the law as set down by appropriate channels.


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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby EAGLES » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:28 pm

Can someone explain to me why [url]at least one[/url]recruit who had received an offer and agreed to play for North in 2008 then had North renege on the deal, with them explaiing to him 'we have been told that we are over the salary cap by the SANFL if we sign you", if North have done nothing wrong?

or were North just bullshotting the poor bloke after they found someone better?

Doesn't sound very professional to me.
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby rod_rooster » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:26 pm

EAGLES wrote:Can someone explain to me why [url]at least one[/url]recruit who had received an offer and agreed to play for North in 2008 then had North renege on the deal, with them explaiing to him 'we have been told that we are over the salary cap by the SANFL if we sign you", if North have done nothing wrong?

or were North just bullshotting the poor bloke after they found someone better?

Doesn't sound very professional to me.


So you are accusing a club of breaking the rules because they told a player they couldn't sign them or they'd be breaking the rules :? Just when you think the posts on this site can't get any more stupid up they pop.

PS - Can you explain why you were trying to make "at least one" a url for us? If you have no basic comprehension of how things work it is best to stick to the basics.
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby Big Phil » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:28 am

rod_rooster wrote:
EAGLES wrote:Can someone explain to me why [url]at least one[/url]recruit who had received an offer and agreed to play for North in 2008 then had North renege on the deal, with them explaiing to him 'we have been told that we are over the salary cap by the SANFL if we sign you", if North have done nothing wrong?

or were North just bullshotting the poor bloke after they found someone better?

Doesn't sound very professional to me.


So you are accusing a club of breaking the rules because they told a player they couldn't sign them or they'd be breaking the rules :? Just when you think the posts on this site can't get any more stupid up they pop.

PS - Can you explain why you were trying to make "at least one" a url for us? If you have no basic comprehension of how things work it is best to stick to the basics.


And further from that, if North haven't signed this player because it would have taken them over the salary cap, stop dilly dallying around and actually name the player in question ???
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby dash61 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:34 am

Why blame North Adelaide when it was Bryce Campbell and his manager that went on a fishing trip to nearly ALL the SA clubs. Is it ok for a player to play everyone against everyone to see how much he could get offered and use as a negotiation tool but when a club finally says "we cant afford you in our cap" than thats the clubs fault.
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby drebin » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:35 am

dash61 wrote:Why blame North Adelaide when it was Bryce Campbell and his manager that went on a fishing trip to nearly ALL the SA clubs. Is it ok for a player to play everyone against everyone to see how much he could get offered and use as a negotiation tool but when a club finally says "we cant afford you in our cap" than thats the clubs fault.


Spot on Dash except the "we can't afford you" is just an excuse.

My "mail" on a certain player is that player X accepted an original deal offered by "a club" but then had his Manager counter 2 or 3 times which priced him out. The official line re the cap is just another way of telling him "to get ....". It also didn't help that a number of other clubs were "dealing" with him and apparently a few clubs spoke to each other over the dubious nods the player and his manager were giving. Apparently the name of a another current SANFL player who has done similar over the past 2 off seasons was mentioned as "setting the bullshit standard" to drive their own price up with their existing club!
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby am Bays » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:12 am

EAGLES wrote:Can someone explain to me why [url]at least one[/url]recruit who had received an offer and agreed to play for North in 2008 then had North renege on the deal, with them explaiing to him 'we have been told that we are over the salary cap by the SANFL if we sign you", if North have done nothing wrong?

or were North just bullshotting the poor bloke after they found someone better?

Doesn't sound very professional to me.


Isn't that what you want clubs checking their figures and then saying no we can't afford you as we'll be over the cap???

The fact is clubs don't just deal with one palyer at a time. If players try to hold out and "negotiate" better deals and clubs sign other players in the meantime - where does it leave the club.

North have done nothing wrong here IMO.
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby The Genuine Quick » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:26 am

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:
EAGLES wrote:Can someone explain to me why [url]at least one[/url]recruit who had received an offer and agreed to play for North in 2008 then had North renege on the deal, with them explaiing to him 'we have been told that we are over the salary cap by the SANFL if we sign you", if North have done nothing wrong?

or were North just bullshotting the poor bloke after they found someone better?

Doesn't sound very professional to me.


Isn't that what you want clubs checking their figures and then saying no we can't afford you as we'll be over the cap???

The fact is clubs don't just deal with one palyer at a time. If players try to hold out and "negotiate" better deals and clubs sign other players in the meantime - where does it leave the club.

North have done nothing wrong here IMO.


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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby sturtpeter » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:17 pm

As stated. Please keep within the legal parameters.

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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby JK » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:29 pm

sturtpeter wrote:As stated. Please keep within the legal parameters.

Cheats should lose ALL Premiership points. :wink:


Umm, noone has any premiership points mate :wink:
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby Punk Rooster » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:51 pm

sturtpeter wrote:As stated. Please keep within the legal parameters.

Cheats should lose ALL Premiership points. :wink:

Does this include cheating husbands & wives?
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Me cheating on my Tax return?
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby sturtpeter » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:55 pm

Just Salary Cap Cheats.
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby Squawk » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:23 pm

drebin wrote:
dash61 wrote:Why blame North Adelaide when it was Bryce Campbell and his manager that went on a fishing trip to nearly ALL the SA clubs. Is it ok for a player to play everyone against everyone to see how much he could get offered and use as a negotiation tool but when a club finally says "we cant afford you in our cap" than thats the clubs fault.


Spot on Dash except the "we can't afford you" is just an excuse.

My "mail" on a certain player is that player X accepted an original deal offered by "a club" but then had his Manager counter 2 or 3 times which priced him out. The official line re the cap is just another way of telling him "to get ....". It also didn't help that a number of other clubs were "dealing" with him and apparently a few clubs spoke to each other over the dubious nods the player and his manager were giving. Apparently the name of a another current SANFL player who has done similar over the past 2 off seasons was mentioned as "setting the bullshit standard" to drive their own price up with their existing club!


FWIW my (impeccable) mail is that far more is being made out of this fishing trip than what actually transpired. Let's just wait and see what the end result is.
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby drebin » Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:12 am

Squawk wrote:
drebin wrote:
dash61 wrote:Why blame North Adelaide when it was Bryce Campbell and his manager that went on a fishing trip to nearly ALL the SA clubs. Is it ok for a player to play everyone against everyone to see how much he could get offered and use as a negotiation tool but when a club finally says "we cant afford you in our cap" than thats the clubs fault.


Spot on Dash except the "we can't afford you" is just an excuse.

My "mail" on a certain player is that player X accepted an original deal offered by "a club" but then had his Manager counter 2 or 3 times which priced him out. The official line re the cap is just another way of telling him "to get ....". It also didn't help that a number of other clubs were "dealing" with him and apparently a few clubs spoke to each other over the dubious nods the player and his manager were giving. Apparently the name of a another current SANFL player who has done similar over the past 2 off seasons was mentioned as "setting the bullshit standard" to drive their own price up with their existing club!


FWIW my (impeccable) mail is that far more is being made out of this fishing trip than what actually transpired. Let's just wait and see what the end result is.


Fair call.

My example re player "X" could apply to any number of players as this type of activity occurs every off season. You can't blame players (and or Managers) and clubs for dancing around trying to ge tthe best deal at the end of the day.
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Re: Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

Postby tipper » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:21 pm

Meanwhile, one thing that has been forgotten on thin topic is that just cos a player says he has been offered umpteen thousand from another club, doesnt mean that it actually happened. could just be leverage to get their price up at the particular club they are talking with. Unfortunately some people just cannot be taken at their word!
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