Matthew Westhoff

[Hondo]

Just for example, Crows supporters have been reaching for tissues all year over Tippett and have regularly laughed at Westhoff, yet Westhoff has averaged 70% more disposals, more than double the marks, more goals, triple the inside 50s etc. Westhoff hasnt been given anywhere near the credit he deserves this year.

You justify his season by comparing his stats to a first year ruckman

How do his stats compare to O'Keefe, Williams, Johnson or Burton? At least compare like roles ...

[stan]

Both these boys need to hit the gym hard over the summer and put some series muscle on!
Bulk up get tougher and hold there own.

[TigerBoss]

Justin has put on muscle. I hope he doesnt bulk up too much more though...he'll risk losing his agility and injury. His frame doesnt isnt built the same as your bigger key forwards. Matthew does need a lot of work...just to get to Justin level though.

Theres a number of players like that though, hes not alone. Tony Notte debuted today and hes the same...he was a 1st round draft pick. Ben Reid was another. Cameron Wood. Lockwood was another. Thurstans has been in the system 10 years and hasnt looked much different from when he debuted in 03. Ben Hart was another. Then the smalls. People have said 'they'll get murdered out there' about Davey, Pearce, Campbell, Krakouer...doesnt happen. Muscle can be overrated.

I also disagree about Justin having second year blues. Hes had 1 or 2 poor games, but given the different role, given hes been largely outside 50 for most of the games and given how completely shithouse Ports midfield and delivery has been this year...hes done as well as one could expect. Just for example, Crows supporters have been reaching for tissues all year over Tippett and have regularly laughed at Westhoff, yet Westhoff has averaged 70% more disposals, more than double the marks, more goals, triple the inside 50s etc. Westhoff hasnt been given anywhere near the credit he deserves this year.

I think Justin's second half to the year has been pretty good, in a side that has really struggled. Not sure if he has suffered from second year blues either, given the lack of supply and the quality of this supply all year...

[Macca19]

Just for example, Crows supporters have been reaching for tissues all year over Tippett and have regularly laughed at Westhoff, yet Westhoff has averaged 70% more disposals, more than double the marks, more goals, triple the inside 50s etc. Westhoff hasnt been given anywhere near the credit he deserves this year.

You justify his season by comparing his stats to a first year ruckman

I must be blind and not have seen Tippett spending 75% of his TOG at FF. Tippett has been no more than a relieving ruckman for 5 minutes a quarter giving Griffin and then Maric a rest. I doubt you'll find a single Crow supporter that thinks hes a ruckman more than a key forward.

As for 'justifying'. Theres nothing to justify. Westhoff has had a good year in a different role in a shit side

[Hondo]

I must be blind and not have seen Tippett spending 75% of his TOG at FF. Tippett has been no more than a relieving ruckman for 5 minutes a quarter giving Griffin and then Maric a rest. I doubt you'll find a single Crow supporter that thinks hes a ruckman more than a key forward.

Only when all 3 big men played, which wasn't often. Otherwise, Tippett was rotating rucks

If anything, Crows supporters were complaining that he was spending too much time in ruck.

I think the plan is that he ends up as a key forward. Now Moran is playing Tippett's old role if you notice.