Souths new coach?

[qwerty]

Navy,

Who would you consider to be the better players running around in the SFL who you believe could play at a higher level?

[Navy2005]

Difficult to say I'm posted in QLD these days so haven't seen the local leagues for along time now. The point Iwas more getting at was down South nobody really has much passion to play for the Panthers. But seeing as you asked here are some players that Southern or Great Southern players that could have played (or had the potential to play at a higher level).

Shannon May
Jody Tassone
Brett Excelby
Robert Horne
Joel Tucker
Kane Hewitt
John McCracken
John Farrant

Thats just a few that spring to mind sure there would heaps of others though.

[mr o]

clay sampson , no experiance, unbealeavable, another great board decision from south

[OCT]

As I said in another thread, Sampson was always being groomed for the senior role after Cahill. So really , to be fair , they had to give it to him, imagine if they didn't ?

[southee]

Sampson will listen to the "board's" needs and wishes.

Cahill would not.....

I wonder who calls the shots now at South??? The Board or Sampson has the final say.....

[Psyber]

Sampson will listen to the "board's" needs and wishes.
Cahill would not.....
I wonder who calls the shots now at South??? The Board or Sampson has the final say.....

I would have thought it was possible for a management board and the senior coach to agree and support each other, in fact it would seem ideal. It doesn't have to be a struggle for dominance unless someone's ego gets in the way. [No I am not expressing an opinion about whose it was in this case.]

[southee]

Can not believe they signed Sampson for 2 years till 2009 without waiting till the end of the year.

Dangerous stuff that!!!!

[saintal]

Agreed Southee. Lets hope the next 12 games go "ok" or else it will be yet another 'interesting" offseason

[Sojourner]

Agreed Southee. Lets hope the next 12 games go "ok" or else it will be yet another 'interesting" offseason

What concerns me is the two thrashings that we have recieved this year from Sturt and Glenelg.

I give Jack Cahill all the credit for our early wins in the season based on his approach to coaching the side and the way that he set the team up and the strategys that he applied. Sure enough the other SANFL sides very quickly caught up to him, yet it doesnt change the fact that he coached the side to some very well fought out wins. To beat Glenelg who have been unbeaten ever since and Port at Alberton, then to come back against Westies and win it was no small effort.

Yet now South are in dissarray and have to catch on quickly to what new coach Clay Sampson requires of the team. People can make nasty cracks about Jack Cahill being an old school coach and not up to it, yet I would like to know what Sampson is going to do with the side that is going to produce a better result.

People are praising Sampson at the moment, yet eight weeks from now if its eight thrashings in a row, including another 100point belter, how long is it before he becomes the one blamed for it all? Like Mark Latham, will it burn him out before his time? That is my fear with Sampson, yet we will wait and see I suppose, he could well win more than he loses if his team mates rally around him and play in the same fashion as they did in round one against Glenelg!

[Booney]

Getting a "South bloke" is an interesting decision, the Pies made the same with Ginever and we can all see how this is developing...

[pale ale]

Can not believe they signed Sampson for 2 years till 2009 without waiting till the end of the year.

Dangerous stuff that!!!!

If you were Clay would you take less than 2 years - remeber Gary Cameron, he didnt even get an interview for the coaching role this year and Clay would have been the same, at least he knows he can have a decent crack at it.

[am Bays]

AS I said on the Jacks gone thread, one feels for the South supporters that they are going through this, it ain't fun. However I don't hold out much hope for them given the way Clay SAmpson has been appointed to the position of senior coach.

To not go through some degree of an exhaustive selection process to find identify a new senior coach ( I appreciate time is of the essence) doesn't really suggest to me that South are serious about finding the BEST available coach to get results. You only have to look at the last two coaching appointments that have been rubber stamped without a thorough recruiting process Norwood with Trev Hill (based on 'Legs fans reports) and Westies with Wiederman - even more so a rubber stamped internal appointment like this one. To not cast the net far and wide risks getting the same results West got under The Weed. How much better would Sampson end up as coach if he did it under a Taylor, a Hart or a Schneebichler for arguements sake?

Whilst history is litterd with successful first time coaches (straight out of playing) they do succeed best at clubs with strong winning cultures is that the case at South?

Also for those that think JAck is old school, the three top sides all play a style of game not far removed from the Port style, attack the footy and the ball carrier and kick it long to a forward target. The differece between South and the top three clubs is that they have more forward options than just Warren and greater depth in the midfield to allow them to maintain the work rate and skill level through the midfield. South don't have that so to think it is a fault of teh coaching style is an excuse IMHO. Souths woes are more to do with the cattle at the coaches disposal not the game style - you can't make a silk purse out of pigs ear.

Now whether that lack of talent made JAck think, oh its too hard and the slighest questioning from teh board made him up and go, can e questioned. However that lack of cattle makes the decision to appoint a rookie coach even more questionable. If Jack couldn't do it what hope has Sampson got?

Sorry South supporters - I see a spoon coming up. Whilst I hope I'm wrong for your sakes I'm not sorry for the club sake as the lack of football awareness and knowledge of high performance sport preparation is staggering even for the SANFL level of sport.

[am Bays]

TM could you please qualify this statement "as the lack of football awareness and knowledge of high performance sport preparation is staggering".

What role do you play at South to be able to judge this? What are your sources on this matter??

I have no role at South but as an outsider looking in and based on a previous vocation, I question their football awareness based on questioning teh coaches methods when as has been illustraed by South supporters on this site South lack the cattle. If they think Jack is old school look at the basic style of play used by Centrals, Sturt and Glenelg. My questioning of their high performance sport preparation is based on hiring an inexperienced coach to coach inexperienced (mostly) players. In high performacne sport where ever possible you looked to cover your weaknesses. If you have an inexperienced playing group you look to an experienced coach - at least one who has had a couple of years developing - not one straight out of playing. Now South, in my opinion have got players learning to play and a coach learning to coach all at the same time. As I said elite sport is all about minimising your weaknesses - only as strong as your weakest link as the old cliche goes.

In elite sport the two variables with the highest impact on succes are 1. the players and 2. the coach. If you have two strong groups (coach and players) your chances of success are high, one stong and one weak, well your chances of success are reduced. two weak/inexperienced variables well teh chances of success are low.

Hey I could well be wrong and this could turn out to be a fantastic outcome for South but I won't be holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

[joelie]

South supporters were VERY unhappy with the way their side has played lately. South board members and life members were VERY disillusioned by what they had been watching. The board who know far more than a glenelg supporter and me about their club have made this decision. From what I can gather it was not just the playing style being questioned. There were many issues in question. I think the "15 bullet" list of concerns were not just game plan based.

I still do not know how you can question their lack of knowledge in high performance sport. Of course the 2 greatest assets in success are a strong player attitude and a strong coaching group. Maybe the playing group need to take a peek at themselves...

[Sojourner]

a Taylor, a Hart or a Schneebichler for arguements sake?

I would have been absolutley over the moon if South had have spoken to John Schneebichler and offered him the coaching position. Everyone has their favourites, yet Sneezer was the player that I as young lad in Primary School looked up to and gave god like status too! He was an absolute legend of the club and won many games off his own boot. It was a very sad day when he went to Glenelg to finish off his final year in the hope of getting to play in a Premiership which had eluded him at South. Glenelg never won it and many South supporters took it badly and ostracised him from the club which was the wrong thing to do, especially since various other SANFL clubs have shown that they can be mature about things like that, North with Andrew Jarman etc.

Sneezer as the coach of South would have been a great decision for the club to make, yet they didnt and its unlikley to ever happen. Yet I will go on the record as suggesting that giving him a go this year in this situation to play a mentor role to Sampson to complete the job that the club wanted to do with Cahill would have been a lot better way of going than the current situation.

Sorry South supporters - I see a spoon coming up. Whilst I hope I'm wrong for your sakes I'm not sorry for the club sake as the lack of football awareness and knowledge of high performance sport preparation is staggering even for the SANFL level of sport.

I hope you are wrong as well but have a nasty feeling that you are not. Despite all the various changes at South there are still several weak links in the chain. The club will not even remotley begin to move forward until the administration do the right thing by ex coach Robert Pyman and remit to him his wages for his contract. Once that battle is solved, the issue of White-Anting as brought up in the Kevin Morris report needs to be concisively addressed and it is in this are that I think that the club do not have the courage to change this ingrained negative aspect of the culture of the club which is the larger half of the reason as to why we have not won a premiership since 1964. If the club was going forward and I was confident that this issue had been dealt with I would say that you are wrong about another Wooden Spoon being added to an already overcrowded cabinet at South. Yet sadly that is not the case......

[Squawk]

To not go through some degree of an exhaustive selection process to find identify a new senior coach ( I appreciate time is of the essence) doesn't really suggest to me that South are serious about finding the BEST available coach to get results.

Tassie, IIRC South advertised the job with a 10 day closing date and it wasn't that long afterwards that Jack accepted his offer which was a headhunting job anyway over a number of months. So, there was really one candidate sought and considered - unless Sheedy or Malthouse had decided to apply out of the blue.