Glenelg defeated West Adelaide - Review Thread

[am Bays]

I admit it is good modern footy at certain time and certain place, but right from the start?

Hey you keep it up it dosen't bother me and yep you'll win a few games and even agaisnt us possibly.

However like you I've been following this game of ours here in Adelaide for a long time you tell me which style of footy works best?

From where I was sitting, and I saw all your changes - your blokes were pretty shagged despite your planned AFL rotations 2-3 at a time. Kick catch kick catch flood back, kick catch kick catch run to position is very energy demanding especially for footballers without the aerobic power abilities of AFL athletes - i.e. have the time to train for it.

Whilst it is a negative though, the more times you handle the pill the more times you've got to make a mistake - hey we Glenelg fans saw this in the Noble years - and unless you've got superfit footballers and super skilled footballers it is going to break down easily against teams like Sturt and Centrals who are the masters of tough accountable football who pressurise the ball carrier.

Hey if you think it is going to work, all power to you and your club if you think you can buck a 30 + year trend....

[redandblack]

I'm always amazed at how supporters are experts about a team they see once every two months, TM. I think you'd agree that West have been a bit stiff to lose most of their talls at the start of the season, so I'd wait a little while until the likes of Clark and Moran are available before making a judgement.

I think that Glenelg have one or two weaknesses that opposition sides might exploit, but I'll wait a little longer before making a judgement.

I will concede, however, that Glenelg have improved greatly since Mark Mickan and Michael Godden have been in control

[redandblack]

I forgot to mention that you haven't answered the point that the 'defensive'tactic right from the sart of the game gave us a 1 point lead at half-time.

Westies have obviously got problems at the moment, but I'll back Andy Collins to sort those out before too long.

[bayman]

well i have seen west a couple of times now & flooding doesn't work at sanfl level when you try to do it for an entire game, last week west lost by less than a kick but west only won one quarter & i am strongly against flooding & i am embarrassed that glenelg was the first team to flood in a sanfl game which was against the eagles at the adelaide oval when b.honour was the coach, flooding will not teach your young kids how to react positively when it is their turn to get the ball & if the mindset is to negate the opposition means you dont create opportunities when they come your way because you haven't got a positive attitude, the best way to put pressure on your opponent is to get the ball into your forward line & to quote the great wedgie ''footy is no rocket science'' westies biggest problem over the last few years is the draft

[am Bays]

I forgot to mention that you haven't answered the point that the 'defensive'tactic right from the sart of the game gave us a 1 point lead at half-time.

Westies have obviously got problems at the moment, but I'll back Andy Collins to sort those out before too long.

If games were played over two quarters it would be a great tactic but given they are played over 4 means you have a problem with sustainability.

It is always going to work for part of a game but as I said the energy demands of doing it in a competiton where they athletes haven't got the time to dedicate themselves to that level of training means it is going to be a tactic that is succesfull in the long term.

How were the skills in the last half R&B? All the energy spent in the first half flooding back to get numbers behind the ball and then chipping forward and the sideways whilst your players tried to get back into position meant a lot of petrol was spent. Couple that with the pressure we put on - I dare say similar to the pressure of Norwood and South well the ability to hit targets and get into position was compromised.

AS I said I've seen my club play a high possession skill orientated game plan and read the comments of the Norward fans on their forum about a high possession game plan. It is not one that works in the SANFL.

[am Bays]

I'm always amazed at how supporters are experts about a team they see once every two months, TM. I think you'd agree that West have been a bit stiff to lose most of their talls at the start of the season, so I'd wait a little while until the likes of Clark and Moran are available before making a judgement.

I think that Glenelg have one or two weaknesses that opposition sides might exploit, but I'll wait a little longer before making a judgement.

I will concede, however, that Glenelg have improved greatly since Mark Mickan and Michael Godden have been in control

My comments are based on watching footy for 30 years and knowing what games plans work well in teh SANFL, you forgot to mention Mouse and DC too.....

And mate we have more than 1 or 2 weaknesses I"ll give you the big tip and we have a lot of improvement to do before we are a contender, but the basics premis of our game plan is one that works in the SANFL....

[Pseudo]

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Whilst it is a negative though, the more times you handle the pill the more times you've got to make a mistake - hey we Glenelg fans saw this in the Noble years - and unless you've got superfit footballers and super skilled footballers it is going to break down easily against teams like Sturt and Centrals who are the masters of tough accountable football who pressurise the ball carrier.

We saw it earlier than the ignoble years; I'd venture to say we saw it from the early-mid nineties. Glenelg could execute the running/handball game well in the eighties when they had the players at the requisite skill level. By the mid nineties the players were not quite up to it. Very much a pity, 'coz the running/handball game is a treat to watch when it's working.

[oldfella]

At this time Westies lacks tall hence probable reason for extra in defense.

Like Tassie been watching for many years and the one rule that never changes is that tall players do not get shorter as they get tired but shorter players skills do drop off if they spend a full day competing against talls -- IMO the Bays 4 prong talls is a good set up for the future and feel Mark M has them heading in a good direction for long term success.

In reference to the fitness level and running/handball game probably fair point but answer possibly to work towards getting that fitness but acknowledge the intensity required does not happen overnight -- interesting discussion that I enjoyed -- thanks guys