by gillies8 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:04 pm
by wycbloods » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:26 pm
gillies8 wrote:When you look at Centrals play it's easy to think they are made up of guys who must be on huge money because they've all been recruited to the club but closer inspection of the 2008 Grand Final side doesnt support this.
Yes there is a couple that we have recruited and they would have got good money
Callinan and OSullivan in recent seasons.
We have a group who are on AFL lists and thus do not come under the salary cap
Ryan Williams, John Giles, Mathew Westoff, James Moss.
We then have the Gowan boys who wouldnt have been on top dollar in there 1st season or 2 (remember South had them and let them go) but I know for a fact they are not the top paid blokes at the club and are happy getting what they get as they have a good business and are happy for us to remain strong rather than fill their pockets.
Then you have a group of local lads who's heart's come before their pockets-
McCabe, Cochrane, Dutske, Thomas, Mackenzie, Schell, Sibenaler, Aufderheide, Ohara, Ware and Slade
That then leaves Trent Goodram and Andrew Hayes who both came over after Peter Jonas sold the club to them. Both came with hope of a senior game and the club did not chase either of them, the club took them after Jonas recomended them.
One thing Centrals does well is not to recruit guys straight out of the AFL who demand big dollars (Something the Port Magpies have been doing for 2 or 3 seasons). The guys we get out of the AFL are past Central players such as Schell, McCabe and probably Eddie Sansbury this season. The past players come with a much reduced price tag because they want to be here.
People can say what they want but the men in charge at Elizabeth recruit well, produce good talent from our zones but most of all provide a club that players want to be involved with and most importantly want to stay at.
by JK » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:47 pm
by am Bays » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:00 pm
by JK » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:14 pm
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:IMO the secret of Centrals is that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
I'm still gutted over what transpired seven weeks ago but what I reconcile with is that I got to witness two weeks of peerless team footy where when players needed to make the sacrifice they did in order to be the premier team.
From a footballing purist's pint of view it was a pleasure to be there to see it.
by Big Phil » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:41 pm
by sjt » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:05 am
by Big Phil » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:05 am
by Dogwatcher » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:16 am
by Big Phil » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:20 am
Dogwatcher wrote:I would be interested to see AH's take on this.
by gillies8 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:23 pm
Big Phil wrote:Another interesting fact that might surprise a few people is that out of the 56 individual players that have won a premiership for Centrals only 3 players were recruited to the club having previously played AFL football. They were Simon Arnott (Geelong & Sydney) Daniel Stevens (Kangaroos) and James Gowans (St. Kilda) but more importantly around 35 of them are local products from the Northern Suburbs and Barossa Valley area that have come up through the grades at the club.
There is also a number of players who have won a flag(s) with the Dogs after returning to club once their AFL stints are over. Like most clubs, these players appreciate their SANFL grass roots and generally return to the club to give something back. Guys like Daniel Healy (St. Kilda), Daniel Schell (Fremantle & Adelaide), Paul Thomas (Essendon) Stuart Cochrane (Kangaroos & Port Power), Paul Geister (Kangaroos & Port Power), Adam Switala (Essendon), Luke McCabe (Hawthorn) and Martin McKinnon (Adelaide & Geelong) all came back to the Dogs once their shot at the big league was over.
Yes, like most clubs, Centrals have recruited players from interstate, mainly Tasmania and Victoria, and they have gone on to be members of a premiership side. These players are either capable enough that step straight into the starting 21 or are players that serve apprenticeships in the reserves for a couple of years before their opportunity higher up comes along. Club CEO Kris Grant and the coaches from years gone by this decade certainly have had a good eye for quality interstate footballers. Guys like Heath Hopwood, Paul Scoullar, Luke Cowan, Chad O'Sullivan, and Kynan Ford all paid their dues in the twos and went on to be consistent league players and Premiership winners.
The other thing which I think the Doggies have been good at (and perhaps lucky in some instances) is their selections at the SANFL Mini Draft. History shows that we generally get the last couple of picks due to selection process in reverse order of the premiership ladder from the previous season. Other clubs have had the opportunity to pick certain players ahead of us but have gone with other options. Players like Brent Guerra, Ryan Williams, Michael Stevens and Jonathon Griffin have all won flags in the red, white and blue because they have all fitted in to the club and it's culture extremely well, making them feel comfortable enough to get the best out of themselves.
Keeping interstate recruits for long periods of time something the clubs seems to very well also. They don't get the 'one year flash in the pan' recruit that heads off after 12 months chasing more money or better opportunities. The club provides an atmosphere that is too good to leave, for example the Gowans twins are now coming up to their 10th year in the SANFL which is just great for the club and the competition. Centrals made it publicly aware that they decided the only way to become successful was to follow the blueprint of the Port Magpies. This amazing club is now setting the new benchmark and I'm sure that other clubs out there are looking to replicate the success of the Dogs.
by Big Phil » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:33 pm
gillies8 wrote:Big Phil wrote:Another interesting fact that might surprise a few people is that out of the 56 individual players that have won a premiership for Centrals only 3 players were recruited to the club having previously played AFL football. They were Simon Arnott (Geelong & Sydney) Daniel Stevens (Kangaroos) and James Gowans (St. Kilda) but more importantly around 35 of them are local products from the Northern Suburbs and Barossa Valley area that have come up through the grades at the club.
There is also a number of players who have won a flag(s) with the Dogs after returning to club once their AFL stints are over. Like most clubs, these players appreciate their SANFL grass roots and generally return to the club to give something back. Guys like Daniel Healy (St. Kilda), Daniel Schell (Fremantle & Adelaide), Paul Thomas (Essendon) Stuart Cochrane (Kangaroos & Port Power), Paul Geister (Kangaroos & Port Power), Adam Switala (Essendon), Luke McCabe (Hawthorn) and Martin McKinnon (Adelaide & Geelong) all came back to the Dogs once their shot at the big league was over.
Yes, like most clubs, Centrals have recruited players from interstate, mainly Tasmania and Victoria, and they have gone on to be members of a premiership side. These players are either capable enough that step straight into the starting 21 or are players that serve apprenticeships in the reserves for a couple of years before their opportunity higher up comes along. Club CEO Kris Grant and the coaches from years gone by this decade certainly have had a good eye for quality interstate footballers. Guys like Heath Hopwood, Paul Scoullar, Luke Cowan, Chad O'Sullivan, and Kynan Ford all paid their dues in the twos and went on to be consistent league players and Premiership winners.
The other thing which I think the Doggies have been good at (and perhaps lucky in some instances) is their selections at the SANFL Mini Draft. History shows that we generally get the last couple of picks due to selection process in reverse order of the premiership ladder from the previous season. Other clubs have had the opportunity to pick certain players ahead of us but have gone with other options. Players like Brent Guerra, Ryan Williams, Michael Stevens and Jonathon Griffin have all won flags in the red, white and blue because they have all fitted in to the club and it's culture extremely well, making them feel comfortable enough to get the best out of themselves.
Keeping interstate recruits for long periods of time something the clubs seems to very well also. They don't get the 'one year flash in the pan' recruit that heads off after 12 months chasing more money or better opportunities. The club provides an atmosphere that is too good to leave, for example the Gowans twins are now coming up to their 10th year in the SANFL which is just great for the club and the competition. Centrals made it publicly aware that they decided the only way to become successful was to follow the blueprint of the Port Magpies. This amazing club is now setting the new benchmark and I'm sure that other clubs out there are looking to replicate the success of the Dogs.
Cant agree that Kynan Ford was a good recruit, NIGHTMARE!
I personally believe the mini draft is a lottery for us simply because we generally get the left overs, we have just got lucky.
What we are good at is giving them as professional enviroment to come back to and help them play well.
by Harry the Horse » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:32 pm
by Big Phil » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:54 pm
Harry the Horse wrote:This is all a wonderful fairytale.
And yes, the Gowans may not be the top paid players at the club ... but there are ways of "helping out" players above and beyond the number on their pay cheques.
Say what you like, I don't care but it goes on .. and not just at Central.
by gillies8 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:23 pm
Big Phil wrote:gillies8 wrote:Big Phil wrote:Another interesting fact that might surprise a few people is that out of the 56 individual players that have won a premiership for Centrals only 3 players were recruited to the club having previously played AFL football. They were Simon Arnott (Geelong & Sydney) Daniel Stevens (Kangaroos) and James Gowans (St. Kilda) but more importantly around 35 of them are local products from the Northern Suburbs and Barossa Valley area that have come up through the grades at the club.
There is also a number of players who have won a flag(s) with the Dogs after returning to club once their AFL stints are over. Like most clubs, these players appreciate their SANFL grass roots and generally return to the club to give something back. Guys like Daniel Healy (St. Kilda), Daniel Schell (Fremantle & Adelaide), Paul Thomas (Essendon) Stuart Cochrane (Kangaroos & Port Power), Paul Geister (Kangaroos & Port Power), Adam Switala (Essendon), Luke McCabe (Hawthorn) and Martin McKinnon (Adelaide & Geelong) all came back to the Dogs once their shot at the big league was over.
Yes, like most clubs, Centrals have recruited players from interstate, mainly Tasmania and Victoria, and they have gone on to be members of a premiership side. These players are either capable enough that step straight into the starting 21 or are players that serve apprenticeships in the reserves for a couple of years before their opportunity higher up comes along. Club CEO Kris Grant and the coaches from years gone by this decade certainly have had a good eye for quality interstate footballers. Guys like Heath Hopwood, Paul Scoullar, Luke Cowan, Chad O'Sullivan, and Kynan Ford all paid their dues in the twos and went on to be consistent league players and Premiership winners.
The other thing which I think the Doggies have been good at (and perhaps lucky in some instances) is their selections at the SANFL Mini Draft. History shows that we generally get the last couple of picks due to selection process in reverse order of the premiership ladder from the previous season. Other clubs have had the opportunity to pick certain players ahead of us but have gone with other options. Players like Brent Guerra, Ryan Williams, Michael Stevens and Jonathon Griffin have all won flags in the red, white and blue because they have all fitted in to the club and it's culture extremely well, making them feel comfortable enough to get the best out of themselves.
Keeping interstate recruits for long periods of time something the clubs seems to very well also. They don't get the 'one year flash in the pan' recruit that heads off after 12 months chasing more money or better opportunities. The club provides an atmosphere that is too good to leave, for example the Gowans twins are now coming up to their 10th year in the SANFL which is just great for the club and the competition. Centrals made it publicly aware that they decided the only way to become successful was to follow the blueprint of the Port Magpies. This amazing club is now setting the new benchmark and I'm sure that other clubs out there are looking to replicate the success of the Dogs.
Cant agree that Kynan Ford was a good recruit, NIGHTMARE!
I personally believe the mini draft is a lottery for us simply because we generally get the left overs, we have just got lucky.
What we are good at is giving them as professional enviroment to come back to and help them play well.
So someone who won 2 Premierships playing the hardest position on the ground was a nightmare![]()
Yes, he wasn't the best recruit we have ever had but he was an honest perfrormer who again, won 2 flags with us
by NO-MERCY » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:32 pm
by Big Phil » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:10 pm
by The Gimp » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:18 pm
by Big Phil » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:33 pm
The Gimp wrote:I have heard Aufderheide has signed with Lobethal to return back there and play. Will he still play at Centrals and only return to Lobethal when not required or has he finished at Centrals?
Can anyone confirm?
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