Should an umpire be allocated to a game if.....

[night raver]

He is a life member of the competing club?????

[Hazbeen]

Senior grades no way!!

Junior grades, any umpire is a good umpire.

[Westsider]

are you talking a's or b/c's?

[Ian]

If I was from the club he was a life member of I wouldn't want him umpiring, from what I've seen the past couple of years the umpires that do this seem to be overly concious of not appearing biased and trend to swing the other way.

[NO-MERCY]

Its funny this topic has come up, night raver you wern't at the Broadview v Seaton game yesty by any chance?
For those that wern't there, it was a display of how not to umpire, one of the umpires yesterday is infact a member of the Broadview f/c & he certainly displayed his ties.
It was one of the worst displays of umpiring i've seen for a long time, the non member was just as bad, like i put in a previous post on Div1, i hope someone recorded the game & hands it in to the SAAFL as it needs to be investigated.

[LaughingKookaburra]

Yeah agree about the umpire not being a life member, but I think the real issue is that in an ideal world no club would be supplying umpires. There are the terrible ones out there that make life hell but there are more good than bad (Just like everything else in life). I remember back in 2002 we played Central United away and 1 league umpire did not show in the A's so the home team had to supply an umpire..... That umpire was shown the door by the league umpire midway through the second quater for blatant cheating (Sending Kenilworth players off for absolutly nothing and paying ridiculous frees towards the home side) and we then went on to win by 1 point. The home crowd then turned on the league umpire with drunken dick heads chasing the umpire around the ground after the game...... But more cases I beleive the supplying club umpire tries not to be biarst and in turn favours the other team.......

[stan]

Its funny this topic has come up, night raver you wern't at the Broadview v Seaton game yesty by any chance?
For those that wern't there, it was a display of how not to umpire, one of the umpires yesterday is infact a member of the Broadview f/c & he certainly displayed his ties.
It was one of the worst displays of umpiring i've seen for a long time, the non member was just as bad, like i put in a previous post on Div1, i hope someone recorded the game & hands it in to the SAAFL as it needs to be investigated.

Wouldnt be the first club to video a game for the purpose of handing it the SAAFL umpires coach. If in fact someone actually taped it.

[Lightning McQueen]

Yeah agree about the umpire not being a life member, but I think the real issue is that in an ideal world no club would be supplying umpires. There are the terrible ones out there that make life hell but there are more good than bad (Just like everything else in life). I remember back in 2002 we played Central United away and 1 league umpire did not show in the A's so the home team had to supply an umpire..... That umpire was shown the door by the league umpire midway through the second quater for blatant cheating (Sending Kenilworth players off for absolutly nothing and paying ridiculous frees towards the home side) and we then went on to win by 1 point. The home crowd then turned on the league umpire with drunken dick heads chasing the umpire around the ground after the game...... But more cases I beleive the supplying club umpire tries not to be biarst and in turn favours the other team.......

I wouldn't bother bagging anyone elses umpires mate, when your B grade umpire is a shocker.

[night raver]

are you talking a's or b/c's?

Division 1 A grade Westsider, i understand with the b grade unpires being supplied by the clubs that more often than not it is an ex player or the like stepping up to do a job to help out.

[gothebombers]

dont think it should matter if hes a life member as long as he umpires the game unbiased. being A grade most times they are league app but i cant see any diff if its a club appointed b gr or c grade umpire its all the same. remember no umpire no game......been like this since jc was full back for jerusulum........whilst on the subject of umpires.. there seems to be a lot of critics but noone ever seems to put up thy hand to do it>>>>

[(S)aintbackline]

it doesnt make any differance where the umpirie is from they are all cr@p any way

[bucketts]

i'm led to believe the north haven v fitzroy game, fitzroy had a life member of the club umpiring, and he cheated his ass for fitzroy. even to the extend that a nth haven footballer got hit three times in the one incident and his comment was" thats a bit rough he got you a couple of rippers" oh by the way, blood rule you must head for the bench NO one with club ties should umpire their club in the A grade. NEVER

[Demon68]

Lightning Mcqueen, why is he such a bad umpire, he seems to be quite a reasonable umpire for a club umpire, remember it is difficult for our clubs to get people to help out in these roles, and noone is asking them to be SANFL level, remember they do this job that helps us all have a game each week, and it is a thankless job and no pleasing anyone.

From what I have seen in Division 5 this year the level fo club umpiring is better than last year, they Ezliabeth umpire was excellent, Plympton bloke is always consistent, and the young Smithfield umpire is quite good.

Lightning McQueen, which club are you involved in or support in amateur league.

[Lightning McQueen]

Lightning Mcqueen, why is he such a bad umpire, he seems to be quite a reasonable umpire for a club umpire, remember it is difficult for our clubs to get people to help out in these roles, and noone is asking them to be SANFL level, remember they do this job that helps us all have a game each week, and it is a thankless job and no pleasing anyone.

From what I have seen in Division 5 this year the level fo club umpiring is better than last year, they Ezliabeth umpire was excellent, Plympton bloke is always consistent, and the young Smithfield umpire is quite good.

Lightning McQueen, which club are you involved in or support in amateur league.

I guess shocker was a bit harsh, I just haven't been impressed with his consistency or his protection of the player going for the ball from what I have seen over the the last couple of years.

I have umpired with him as a club umpire, i know that it's a thankless job where you cop crap from both teams if you are doing an unbiased job. He is definetely not the worst, I wont go into that, maybe they have been tough games that I have seen.

There are a couple that I have seen this year that aren't out there to do the right thing, consistency and player protection must be paramount when you agree to take on the job.

[Sponge Bob]

He is a life member of the competing club?????

In the opinion of the Captain,under no circumstances should this happen. All it does is set the umpire, umpires coach and the SAAFL umpiring system up for criticism. it should be avoided like the plague

[Demon68]

Fair call McQueen, that would be a fair assessment of him, i suppose it is difficult for the club umpires also as I wouldn't imagine that they would access the amateur league umpire training and therefore not be learning from that experience also, they just go out to do the job each week and not develop as the amateur league umps can and do.

What club have you umpired for Mcqueen?

[gothebombers]

He is a life member of the competing club?????

In the opinion of the Captain,under no circumstances should this happen. All it does is set the umpire, umpires coach and the SAAFL umpiring system up for criticism. it should be avoided like the plague

hey maybe have NO umpires and just let the teams fight it out bare knuckles

[Pearcey]

In a junior game recently our team received 2 free kicks to the opposition's 20+. The opposition team hadn't won a game for 2 years and went down by a goal. The umpire was seen playing for their senior 'B' grade team the following Saturday. *Not suggesting any bias, though.

Also in another junior match the umpire's son played for our opponent. Can't say too much but everyone was appalled at the blatant back slapping and encouragement given to the opposition team by this ump. *Again, not a hint of bias being alleged here.

(*For my own protection, you understand)

[Higglytown Hero]

dont think it should matter if hes a life member as long as he umpires the game unbiased. being A grade most times they are league app but i cant see any diff if its a club appointed b gr or c grade umpire its all the same. remember no umpire no game......been like this since jc was full back for jerusulum........whilst on the subject of umpires.. there seems to be a lot of critics but noone ever seems to put up thy hand to do it>>>>

Would you let Chris McDermott umpire Glenenlg, Gary McIntosh Umpire Norwood, either of the Gowans umpire Central's?????

Of course the answer is NO!!!!! Would have thought that the league would have removed all chance of biased or accused biased by not letting someone umpire a team they have had a long affiliation with.

[Lightning McQueen]

Fair call McQueen, that would be a fair assessment of him, i suppose it is difficult for the club umpires also as I wouldn't imagine that they would access the amateur league umpire training and therefore not be learning from that experience also, they just go out to do the job each week and not develop as the amateur league umps can and do.

What club have you umpired for Mcqueen?

I wont go into where I am from just yet, I have a feeling that I'll be exposed in the next couple of weeks. I will tell you that our club umpire over the past couple of years has missed a few things that he shouldnt have aswell.

I actually enjoyed umpiring when I started, it got a bit personal towards the end as my decisions were getting questioned later on at the bar when all I was after was discipline, I figured it was time to let someone else give it a go.

I'm not here to hide behind an avatar and bag others, I have respect for all clubs and like to give honest opinions without being judged because of who I'm involved with, I'm not my club's spokesperson therefore I keep a lid on certain issues, no one from my club knows that I'm on here.

I do have respect for your umpire though considering he has been helping you guys out for a few years now and like I said before, I've seen way worse.