Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

[shoe boy]

What is the future of the SCA?

in the fastest growing area in the state?

This is what i don't understand with the SCA. How is an area that has experienced so much growth in recent times and supports how many football clubs? not able to support a cricket competition with an equal or similar amount of cricket sides.

I know there is a fairly large crossover with ASCA with southern area clubs, Morphy Pks, ICC etc but surely there are enough people in the southern area to support a SCA.

Is the way the association has been run in recent times a reason for its current predicament? (I am not suggesting it is as i have no idea who or how it has been run either)

I can't see why clubs from South of Hallet Cove would want to travel to Nth Haven for cricket.

Surely getting a decent local competition is a priority of the southern based clubs? And a couple of clubs leaving the SCA now would surely ruin the prospect of this even further. I would have thought the SCA would be trying hard to recruit clubs like ICC and Sheidow Pk, who both field 6 sides in ASCA, into the SCA.

Agree Wycbloods,
I dont have the answer but since the move of Reynella to ATCA the comp has slowly slipped back.

Over the years we have lost Aldinga,Mclaren,Willunga to GSCA and H/Valley to Hills but kept their juniors in SCA and then we have Flaggies happy to just play B and lower grades.
As for my CLUB and we are a very strong club in the true sence we have to adress the issues and make a decission that is best for NCC and we have 3 options 1)stay in SCA 2)Move to GSCA 3)Move to ASCA. these decissions must be adressed asap.

[Jabber]

What is the future of the SCA?

in the fastest growing area in the state?

This is what i don't understand with the SCA. How is an area that has experienced so much growth in recent times and supports how many football clubs? not able to support a cricket competition with an equal or similar amount of cricket sides.

I know there is a fairly large crossover with ASCA with southern area clubs, Morphy Pks, ICC etc but surely there are enough people in the southern area to support a SCA.

Is the way the association has been run in recent times a reason for its current predicament? (I am not suggesting it is as i have no idea who or how it has been run either)

I can't see why clubs from South of Hallet Cove would want to travel to Nth Haven for cricket.

Surely getting a decent local competition is a priority of the southern based clubs? And a couple of clubs leaving the SCA now would surely ruin the prospect of this even further. I would have thought the SCA would be trying hard to recruit clubs like ICC and Sheidow Pk, who both field 6 sides in ASCA, into the SCA.

Agree Wycbloods,
I dont have the answer but since the move of Reynella to ATCA the comp has slowly slipped back.

Over the years we have lost Aldinga,Mclaren,Willunga to GSCA and H/Valley to Hills but kept their juniors in SCA and then we have Flaggies happy to just play B and lower grades.
As for my CLUB and we are a very strong club in the true sence we have to adress the issues and make a decission that is best for NCC and we have 3 options 1)stay in SCA 2)Move to GSCA 3)Move to ASCA. these decissions must be adressed asap.

If ASCA really wanted to asert itself as a power comp in adelaide then it should be approaching Cove and Noarlunga not the other way around...

[smithy]

Past Presidents of the SCA have tried a few times to lure ICC to the SCA.
Problem is, when ICC was formed it DID want to play in the SCA, it was the "why should we let you play in our comp" attitude of the president at the time that killed any prospect of ICC ever playing in the SCA.

Willunga, Aldinga, McLaren, Mawson, Sullies, Christies Beach, Hackham, Happy Valley and Reynella have all left or folded since 1980.


That's a lot of teams to lose.


The same president was indirectly responsible for a few of those clubs leaving.
The same president that was in charge when 2 players had a fight, one got banned for many years, the other nothing (shoeboy probably played that game).

Shoeboy - you are certain that COve have approached the A&SCA are you ? or are you just reading the goss on here ?

As for kangies playing hills, that ones been going on every year for how long ??????


I said this 8 years ago when I felt the comp was in real trouble, but I really feel that maybe a Greater Southern Cricket Association can be formed between the SCA and GSCA.
WIth the GSCA in good condition, a lot of butt kissing would have to be done by the SCA to do this.
Merging the 2 associations would form a pretty formidable competition.
flaggis and cove might not want to travel to victor but it wouldn't be a problem for the other clubs.
with enough teams this trip would only occur once every 2 seasons possibly.

[wycbloods]

What is the future of the SCA?

in the fastest growing area in the state?

This is what i don't understand with the SCA. How is an area that has experienced so much growth in recent times and supports how many football clubs? not able to support a cricket competition with an equal or similar amount of cricket sides.

I know there is a fairly large crossover with ASCA with southern area clubs, Morphy Pks, ICC etc but surely there are enough people in the southern area to support a SCA.

Is the way the association has been run in recent times a reason for its current predicament? (I am not suggesting it is as i have no idea who or how it has been run either)

I can't see why clubs from South of Hallet Cove would want to travel to Nth Haven for cricket.

Surely getting a decent local competition is a priority of the southern based clubs? And a couple of clubs leaving the SCA now would surely ruin the prospect of this even further. I would have thought the SCA would be trying hard to recruit clubs like ICC and Sheidow Pk, who both field 6 sides in ASCA, into the SCA.

Agree Wycbloods,
I dont have the answer but since the move of Reynella to ATCA the comp has slowly slipped back.

Over the years we have lost Aldinga,Mclaren,Willunga to GSCA and H/Valley to Hills but kept their juniors in SCA and then we have Flaggies happy to just play B and lower grades.
As for my CLUB and we are a very strong club in the true sence we have to adress the issues and make a decission that is best for NCC and we have 3 options 1)stay in SCA 2)Move to GSCA 3)Move to ASCA. these decissions must be adressed asap.

If ASCA really wanted to asert itself as a power comp in adelaide then it should be approaching Cove and Noarlunga not the other way around...

I don't see why the ASCA would be wanting to assert itself as a more powerful comp. We can leave that to Turf i think. That is where a majority of the bst players outside the grade system go and i don't think ASCA should hold any vision about being the best comp outisde of the grade system. We are a community club association that is more about providing as many people as possible the chance to play cricket IMHO.

[krustymirkin]

Seems to me some people down Cove way want to turn theirs back on the assoc that made them what their are,surely not that they believe they will better themselves in another comp.Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the numbers being produced down the road,I for 1 have lost all respect for all in favour of such a move.At the beginning of last year all the clubs voted to stick together and try to encourage other clubs back to SCA,Cove included

[smithy]

At the beginning of last year all the clubs voted to stick together and try to encourage other clubs back to SCA,Cove included

That would be the ideal scenario Krusty.

[Jabber]

Seems to me some people down Cove way want to turn theirs back on the assoc that made them what their are,surely not that they believe they will better themselves in another comp.Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the numbers being produced down the road,I for 1 have lost all respect for all in favour of such a move.At the beginning of last year all the clubs voted to stick together and try to encourage other clubs back to SCA,Cove included

Why would you lose all respect for a club that has made a valid opinion that the competition it is currently in may not be a viable comp within the next few years. Surely in situations such as this, where the comp appears to be on its knees then clubs must look after themselves?

What would you like them to do, wait 3 years until the comp folds and then need to make a hasty decision on the run?

Has the comp laid out a plan of any sort to the clubs on how they are approaching the next few years and how they plan on getting out of this giant hole they are in, which is against the trend of the urban sprawl into the area?

[Jabber]

Re-phrase: powerhouse hard-wicket comp.

Nothing wrong with aspiring to be better, sitting on laurels doesnt always work, look at SCA!?

This is what i don't understand with the SCA. How is an area that has experienced so much growth in recent times and supports how many football clubs? not able to support a cricket competition with an equal or similar amount of cricket sides.

I know there is a fairly large crossover with ASCA with southern area clubs, Morphy Pks, ICC etc but surely there are enough people in the southern area to support a SCA.

Is the way the association has been run in recent times a reason for its current predicament? (I am not suggesting it is as i have no idea who or how it has been run either)

I can't see why clubs from South of Hallet Cove would want to travel to Nth Haven for cricket.

Surely getting a decent local competition is a priority of the southern based clubs? And a couple of clubs leaving the SCA now would surely ruin the prospect of this even further. I would have thought the SCA would be trying hard to recruit clubs like ICC and Sheidow Pk, who both field 6 sides in ASCA, into the SCA.

Agree Wycbloods,
I dont have the answer but since the move of Reynella to ATCA the comp has slowly slipped back.

Over the years we have lost Aldinga,Mclaren,Willunga to GSCA and H/Valley to Hills but kept their juniors in SCA and then we have Flaggies happy to just play B and lower grades.
As for my CLUB and we are a very strong club in the true sence we have to adress the issues and make a decission that is best for NCC and we have 3 options 1)stay in SCA 2)Move to GSCA 3)Move to ASCA. these decissions must be adressed asap.

If ASCA really wanted to asert itself as a power comp in adelaide then it should be approaching Cove and Noarlunga not the other way around...

I don't see why the ASCA would be wanting to assert itself as a more powerful comp. We can leave that to Turf i think. That is where a majority of the bst players outside the grade system go and i don't think ASCA should hold any vision about being the best comp outisde of the grade system. We are a community club association that is more about providing as many people as possible the chance to play cricket IMHO.

[shoe boy]

Past Presidents of the SCA have tried a few times to lure ICC to the SCA.
Problem is, when ICC was formed it DID want to play in the SCA, it was the "why should we let you play in our comp" attitude of the president at the time that killed any prospect of ICC ever playing in the SCA.

Willunga, Aldinga, McLaren, Mawson, Sullies, Christies Beach, Hackham, Happy Valley and Reynella have all left or folded since 1980.


That's a lot of teams to lose.


The same president was indirectly responsible for a few of those clubs leaving.
The same president that was in charge when 2 players had a fight, one got banned for many years, the other nothing (shoeboy probably played that game).

Shoeboy - you are certain that COve have approached the A&SCA are you ? or are you just reading the goss on here ?
As for kangies playing hills, that ones been going on every year for how long ??????


I said this 8 years ago when I felt the comp was in real trouble, but I really feel that maybe a Greater Southern Cricket Association can be formed between the SCA and GSCA.
WIth the GSCA in good condition, a lot of butt kissing would have to be done by the SCA to do this.
Merging the 2 associations would form a pretty formidable competition.
flaggis and cove might not want to travel to victor but it wouldn't be a problem for the other clubs.
with enough teams this trip would only occur once every 2 seasons possibly.

Yes Smithy confirmed last night that Cove have made an official approach and if given the green light they are gone! Also confirmed that Kangies are staying with SCA.

SCA meeting this Mon night.

[sherminator]

I said this 8 years ago when I felt the comp was in real trouble, but I really feel that maybe a Greater Southern Cricket Association can be formed between the SCA and GSCA.
WIth the GSCA in good condition, a lot of butt kissing would have to be done by the SCA to do this.
Merging the 2 associations would form a pretty formidable competition.
flaggis and cove might not want to travel to victor but it wouldn't be a problem for the other clubs.
with enough teams this trip would only occur once every 2 seasons possibly.

As a GSCA player I think thats an interesting concept Smithy. I'm not too sure how the GS clubs would react to it. I know clubs like Aldinga and McLarens (Iwas a committee member at the time) were pretty keen to get out of Southern, so not sure they'd want an amalgamation.

Am interested to know what player behavior is like in Southern these days. I know it was a factor in McLarens decision to join GSCA. I remember sledging, intimidation, umpire abuse etc was rife in those days and not many people stayed back for a beer after the games. GSCA is a very laid back comp in comparison. That was mid 90's so maybe thats changed?? I think it would be a big factor for Great Southern clubs.

[The Hound]

I said this 8 years ago when I felt the comp was in real trouble, but I really feel that maybe a Greater Southern Cricket Association can be formed between the SCA and GSCA.
WIth the GSCA in good condition, a lot of butt kissing would have to be done by the SCA to do this.
Merging the 2 associations would form a pretty formidable competition.
flaggis and cove might not want to travel to victor but it wouldn't be a problem for the other clubs.
with enough teams this trip would only occur once every 2 seasons possibly.

As a GSCA player I think thats an interesting concept Smithy. I'm not too sure how the GS clubs would react to it. I know clubs like Aldinga and McLarens (Iwas a committee member at the time) were pretty keen to get out of Southern, so not sure they'd want an amalgamation.

Am interested to know what player behavior is like in Southern these days. I know it was a factor in McLarens decision to join GSCA. I remember sledging, intimidation, umpire abuse etc was rife in those days and not many people stayed back for a beer after the games. GSCA is a very laid back comp in comparison. That was mid 90's so maybe thats changed?? I think it would be a big factor for Great Southern clubs.

Think you will find that the same individuals are still sledging, intimidating and abusing umpires and that is why clubs are leaving apart from knowing that you only have to win a couple of games throughout the season to get into the finals.

I know Smithy likes the SCA & GSCA merger and it has merit but what about if the SCA merged with the ASCA and you had a Northern and Southern division, that way Southern still stays in the name and you don't lose the heritage, Southern division could have Cove, ICC, Sheidow, Noarlunga, Morphett Vale, Corromandel (x2?), Kangies, Seaford, Porties and Northern would be WYC, Keswick, North Haven, Glenelg Ana, plympton, South Road, Westminsiter the other Corro side, Warradale, Mitchell Park, Morphy parks. Top two teams in each division play in a semi final with the winners going into the GF. I may not have all teams listed but you would end up having 9 to 10 2 day games with a knock out one day comp on the side.

[Jabber]

The other Coromandel side will love playing north while thier neighbor plays south division!

I said this 8 years ago when I felt the comp was in real trouble, but I really feel that maybe a Greater Southern Cricket Association can be formed between the SCA and GSCA.
WIth the GSCA in good condition, a lot of butt kissing would have to be done by the SCA to do this.
Merging the 2 associations would form a pretty formidable competition.
flaggis and cove might not want to travel to victor but it wouldn't be a problem for the other clubs.
with enough teams this trip would only occur once every 2 seasons possibly.

As a GSCA player I think thats an interesting concept Smithy. I'm not too sure how the GS clubs would react to it. I know clubs like Aldinga and McLarens (Iwas a committee member at the time) were pretty keen to get out of Southern, so not sure they'd want an amalgamation.

Am interested to know what player behavior is like in Southern these days. I know it was a factor in McLarens decision to join GSCA. I remember sledging, intimidation, umpire abuse etc was rife in those days and not many people stayed back for a beer after the games. GSCA is a very laid back comp in comparison. That was mid 90's so maybe thats changed?? I think it would be a big factor for Great Southern clubs.

Think you will find that the same individuals are still sledging, intimidating and abusing umpires and that is why clubs are leaving apart from knowing that you only have to win a couple of games throughout the season to get into the finals.

I know Smithy likes the SCA & GSCA merger and it has merit but what about if the SCA merged with the ASCA and you had a Northern and Southern division, that way Southern still stays in the name and you don't lose the heritage, Southern division could have Cove, ICC, Sheidow, Noarlunga, Morphett Vale, Corromandel (x2?), Kangies, Seaford, Porties and Northern would be WYC, Keswick, North Haven, Glenelg Ana, plympton, South Road, Westminsiter the other Corro side, Warradale, Mitchell Park, Morphy parks. Top two teams in each division play in a semi final with the winners going into the GF. I may not have all teams listed but you would end up having 9 to 10 2 day games with a knock out one day comp on the side.

[Jabber]

Knowing ASCA they will not be at all interested in "combining" leagues, they don't take kindly to change saying "we've done what we've done for 100 and however many years and we've always been strong, why should we change anything now"

The other Coromandel side will love playing north while thier neighbor plays south division!

I said this 8 years ago when I felt the comp was in real trouble, but I really feel that maybe a Greater Southern Cricket Association can be formed between the SCA and GSCA.
WIth the GSCA in good condition, a lot of butt kissing would have to be done by the SCA to do this.
Merging the 2 associations would form a pretty formidable competition.
flaggis and cove might not want to travel to victor but it wouldn't be a problem for the other clubs.
with enough teams this trip would only occur once every 2 seasons possibly.

As a GSCA player I think thats an interesting concept Smithy. I'm not too sure how the GS clubs would react to it. I know clubs like Aldinga and McLarens (Iwas a committee member at the time) were pretty keen to get out of Southern, so not sure they'd want an amalgamation.

Am interested to know what player behavior is like in Southern these days. I know it was a factor in McLarens decision to join GSCA. I remember sledging, intimidation, umpire abuse etc was rife in those days and not many people stayed back for a beer after the games. GSCA is a very laid back comp in comparison. That was mid 90's so maybe thats changed?? I think it would be a big factor for Great Southern clubs.

Think you will find that the same individuals are still sledging, intimidating and abusing umpires and that is why clubs are leaving apart from knowing that you only have to win a couple of games throughout the season to get into the finals.

I know Smithy likes the SCA & GSCA merger and it has merit but what about if the SCA merged with the ASCA and you had a Northern and Southern division, that way Southern still stays in the name and you don't lose the heritage, Southern division could have Cove, ICC, Sheidow, Noarlunga, Morphett Vale, Corromandel (x2?), Kangies, Seaford, Porties and Northern would be WYC, Keswick, North Haven, Glenelg Ana, plympton, South Road, Westminsiter the other Corro side, Warradale, Mitchell Park, Morphy parks. Top two teams in each division play in a semi final with the winners going into the GF. I may not have all teams listed but you would end up having 9 to 10 2 day games with a knock out one day comp on the side.

[krustymirkin]

Seems to me some people down Cove way want to turn theirs back on the assoc that made them what their are,surely not that they believe they will better themselves in another comp.Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the numbers being produced down the road,I for 1 have lost all respect for all in favour of such a move.At the beginning of last year all the clubs voted to stick together and try to encourage other clubs back to SCA,Cove included

Why would you lose all respect for a club that has made a valid opinion that the competition it is currently in may not be a viable comp within the next few years. Surely in situations such as this, where the comp appears to be on its knees then clubs must look after themselves?

What would you like them to do, wait 3 years until the comp folds and then need to make a hasty decision on the run?

Has the comp laid out a plan of any sort to the clubs on how they are approaching the next few years and how they plan on getting out of this giant hole they are in, which is against the trend of the urban sprawl into the area?

no miss quoting jabber isaid i lost all respect to those in favour,not the club get it right.

[Jabber]

sorry mate.

So you have lost respect for the people at the clubs in favour of leaving, is that what you mean?

Seems to me some people down Cove way want to turn theirs back on the assoc that made them what their are,surely not that they believe they will better themselves in another comp.Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the numbers being produced down the road,I for 1 have lost all respect for all in favour of such a move.At the beginning of last year all the clubs voted to stick together and try to encourage other clubs back to SCA,Cove included

Why would you lose all respect for a club that has made a valid opinion that the competition it is currently in may not be a viable comp within the next few years. Surely in situations such as this, where the comp appears to be on its knees then clubs must look after themselves?

What would you like them to do, wait 3 years until the comp folds and then need to make a hasty decision on the run?

Has the comp laid out a plan of any sort to the clubs on how they are approaching the next few years and how they plan on getting out of this giant hole they are in, which is against the trend of the urban sprawl into the area?

no miss quoting jabber isaid i lost all respect to those in favour,not the club get it right.

[krustymirkin]

Think you will find that the same individuals are still sledging, intimidating and abusing umpires and that is why clubs are leaving apart from knowing that you only have to win a couple of games throughout the season to get into the finals. Over the last few years not one report has been made against an individual or club by either a player,club or umpire.Read again what i posted earlier about the assoc sitting down together and staying as one working to improve the SCA.Yes Jabber thats what i mean Cove players where first and loudest in replying about Noarlunga involvement in talking with Great Southern last year we as an assoc sat down with all clubs to give assurances as to were we are heading and what we expected from them.

[Jabber]

Think you will find that the same individuals are still sledging, intimidating and abusing umpires and that is why clubs are leaving apart from knowing that you only have to win a couple of games throughout the season to get into the finals. Over the last few years not one report has been made against an individual or club by either a player,club or umpire.Read again what i posted earlier about the assoc sitting down together and staying as one working to improve the SCA.Yes Jabber thats what i mean Cove players where first and loudest in replying about Noarlunga involvement in talking with Great Southern last year we as an assoc sat down with all clubs to give assurances as to were we are heading and what we expected from them.

fair enuff.

[wycbloods]

Will other clubs leave the SCA when Cove do?

[shoe boy]

Will other clubs leave the SCA when Cove do?

The SCA and ALL member clubs have a meeting next Mon night.

[wycbloods]

Will other clubs leave the SCA when Cove do?

The SCA and ALL member clubs have a meeting next Mon night.

To decide that the SCA will fold? And discuss which comps they will join?

Genuine questions.