Adelaide Suburban Cricket Association 2009-10

[Tight_Lines]

The talk of slow bowlers is an interesting one. It's something I personally believe is becoming less and less used in section 1 cricket.

Having a look at the stats, and I totally agree and acknowledge that stats don't always tell the full story, but except for Calderbank in the top spot, the next leading wicket taking slow bowler is a fair way back in the field @ 27 (Bloods), possibly due to a fairly meagre 6-odd overs an innings. You then have Foster and Quirk a bit further back again, also bowling fairly low over numbers. (apologies to anyone I missed in that list in the top 40 odd)

It's hard to make assumptions on why that's the case. Strike rates are around the mark, averages and economy figures are a bit higher, but to be expected. Are there just less spinners coming through the ranks? Captains weary of bowling spinners due to the higher economy rates?

Anyway, just a thought (slow day at work). No disrespect to anyone out there, just a talking point.

If a spinner or slow bowler can just continually bowl in good areas they dont need alot of variation or turn to take wickets in our comp there aren't alot of guys who can play spin and from what ive seen most guys will get themselves out. Thats why Calderbanks record is so good he knows people will lose patients or force a shot so just keeps in good areas plays the conditions well you can say.

Although i feel better batsmen like Macca last year will and he did find it easier to get to him or turn the strike off him for our comp he does all that is required and he shows you dont need to turn it a mile to take wickets credit due to him he hasnt over complicated his game.

[bay boy]

I highly rate Adam Wilsons bowling. I think he has great control. I watched the 21's game a few weeks ago and he really did bowl well. Sam Foster bowls very well too and could bat in the top 6 in that side.

Yeah i think his record in A grade suggests he is a top 6 association batter sarge

Nice yorker tonight then Caleb?? Whats the outcome? JC playing this week for seniors association side or not?

No matter what people say, JC's record does speak for itself, he should be picked in this side. However i guess after a couple senior games he will be expected to bowl really well. If he doesnt then he may come up for debate but at the moment his selection is worthy IMO.

Gowser, Foster plays for Sheidow Park.

Bay Boy's record, how often does he bowl? Where does he bat in your side? Average of six, but how many wickets and overs has he bowled?

I never knew he could bowl so im suprised and really have no clue about what he bowls!!

Willson is definitely a quality one day bowler, not a wicket taking bowler, but a tight bowler, and a solid batsman. At this stage, i think he is not in the top 30 cricketers at the moment, but it will change very quickly IMO. Good bloke to go with it!!

Caleb, you were not meant to mention the sloppy shots lol

I'm a one over before drinks bowler, thats all

[bay boy]

They suggest to me he is the worst captain in the comp and way over bowls himself!

Pretty harsh, Gowser. IMO, your argument doesn't really stack up either. He's the leading wicket taker with a very good average, strike rate and economy (particularly for a slow bowler), so wouldn't it stand to reason he'd actually be a bad captain if he didn't bowl himself?

If he wasn't captain, he'd still be getting the overs as he keeps producing. He was 2nd in wickets last year from memory. What would you do in his position?

As I told JC on Sunday, as a captain he gets more out of his players than anyone I've played under.

Oh, and unless something incredible happens, he'll be there Saturday & for the Association game. Caleb's not that quick

maybe give other bowlers a go at his end.... If i was a bowler I wouldn't want to play under him

[The sarge]

Bay Boy Bowling average 10.7
TTJ bowling average 2

I know who is more damaging with the ball

[The Hunter]

maybe give other bowlers a go at his end.... If i was a bowler I wouldn't want to play under him[/quote]

Sounds like keswicks B-Grade

[bay boy]

Bay Boy Bowling average 10.7
TTJ bowling average 2

I know who is more damaging with the ball

underbowled so he tells me.....

[TTJ]

Bay Boy Bowling average 10.7
TTJ bowling average 2

I know who is more damaging with the ball

underbowled so he tells me.....

sarge it was only yesterday that we were comparing bowling figures actually and we drew the same conclusion as you mate

[The Hunter]

I think there have been a few changes to the association side for this weekends game against churches.

D Rowe, Basso, H Mckay and Cooke all unavailable. So in come Tight Lines(well deserved i might add) J Lourens(also having a superb year) R Brokensha and G Pritchard.

Hopefully that makes a few people happier with the selection process.

Where's this game being played ???

Side is as follows in no particular order and provided noone pulls out last minute. Squad of 12.

S.Mcrae (Westminster), D.Sampson (ICC), R.Curyer (kes), R.Brokensha (Morphy parks), R.Hopkins (WYC), B.McCormack (WYC), B.Cameron (sheidow), J.Whenan (WYC), J.Calderbank (ramblers), J.Lourens (Coro), G.Pritchard (plympton), K.McKinley (kes)

The game is being played off of Hampstead road in Northfield way. If you take Folland street on the right headed north after the Hampstead rehab centre and then turn left on Firth street you will run right into it.

so just found out from the churches lads about the location of the ground. My previous 'guess' was wrong.

It is off hampstead road. Turn down colac street which is right heading north off hampstead. The first street after the Muller road intersection, That will run straight into the oval. Just check google maps if your keen for a look.

[CoverKing]

The talk of slow bowlers is an interesting one. It's something I personally believe is becoming less and less used in section 1 cricket.

Having a look at the stats, and I totally agree and acknowledge that stats don't always tell the full story, but except for Calderbank in the top spot, the next leading wicket taking slow bowler is a fair way back in the field @ 27 (Bloods), possibly due to a fairly meagre 6-odd overs an innings. You then have Foster and Quirk a bit further back again, also bowling fairly low over numbers. (apologies to anyone I missed in that list in the top 40 odd)

It's hard to make assumptions on why that's the case. Strike rates are around the mark, averages and economy figures are a bit higher, but to be expected. Are there just less spinners coming through the ranks? Captains weary of bowling spinners due to the higher economy rates?

Anyway, just a thought (slow day at work). No disrespect to anyone out there, just a talking point.

If a spinner or slow bowler can just continually bowl in good areas they dont need alot of variation or turn to take wickets in our comp there aren't alot of guys who can play spin and from what ive seen most guys will get themselves out. Thats why Calderbanks record is so good he knows people will lose patients or force a shot so just keeps in good areas plays the conditions well you can say.

Although i feel better batsmen like Macca last year will and he did find it easier to get to him or turn the strike off him for our comp he does all that is required and he shows you dont need to turn it a mile to take wickets credit due to him he hasnt over complicated his game.

Personally i think captains struggle to captain to a spinner in our association which means there is less spinners being used. But there is a lack of genuine spinners in our comp.

I agree with TL that batsmen struggle to play spinners so Calderbank simply bowls in the right areas and continues to do so, waiting for the batters to make mistakes. Although in saying this, if Bloods bowled the same amount of overs as Calderbank he would have the same amount of wickets roughly based on the strike rates. So comparing them is a bit unfair, as 146 overs to 66 does not help any comparison!!

[Roseboy]

The talk of slow bowlers is an interesting one. It's something I personally believe is becoming less and less used in section 1 cricket.

Having a look at the stats, and I totally agree and acknowledge that stats don't always tell the full story, but except for Calderbank in the top spot, the next leading wicket taking slow bowler is a fair way back in the field @ 27 (Bloods), possibly due to a fairly meagre 6-odd overs an innings. You then have Foster and Quirk a bit further back again, also bowling fairly low over numbers. (apologies to anyone I missed in that list in the top 40 odd)

It's hard to make assumptions on why that's the case. Strike rates are around the mark, averages and economy figures are a bit higher, but to be expected. Are there just less spinners coming through the ranks? Captains weary of bowling spinners due to the higher economy rates?

Anyway, just a thought (slow day at work). No disrespect to anyone out there, just a talking point.

If a spinner or slow bowler can just continually bowl in good areas they dont need alot of variation or turn to take wickets in our comp there aren't alot of guys who can play spin and from what ive seen most guys will get themselves out. Thats why Calderbanks record is so good he knows people will lose patients or force a shot so just keeps in good areas plays the conditions well you can say.

Although i feel better batsmen like Macca last year will and he did find it easier to get to him or turn the strike off him for our comp he does all that is required and he shows you dont need to turn it a mile to take wickets credit due to him he hasnt over complicated his game.

Personally i think captains struggle to captain to a spinner in our association which means there is less spinners being used. But there is a lack of genuine spinners in our comp.

I agree with TL that batsmen struggle to play spinners so Calderbank simply bowls in the right areas and continues to do so, waiting for the batters to make mistakes. Although in saying this, if Bloods bowled the same amount of overs as Calderbank he would have the same amount of wickets roughly based on the strike rates. So comparing them is a bit unfair, as 146 overs to 66 does not help any comparison!!

I agree regarding a number of batsmen not being great at spin, which is probably indicative of not having much bowled to them. Guys like Foster, Quirk & co. could have a very bright future ahead of them assuming captains persist.

After getting spanked on Sunday, maybe it's time I took it up...

[The sarge]

I have always found that batsmen get very impatient against the spinners in ASCA. They do not want to wait for a bad ball. It is hard with alot of smaller grounds for captains to back in their spinners though as they risk going at 7 or 8 an over.

Calderbank just bowls in good areas and waits for the batsmans error, if a few guys showed a bit more patience and were happy to go at 1 or 2 an over for a while I am sure he wouldnt bowl himself as much because He wouldnt get as many wickets. If you knock him around for enough time you should be adjusted to the bowling and be able to pick off boundaries. At the moment he does the job almost every week for his side most weeks so why wouldn't he keep bowling himself?

[wycbloods]

After getting spanked on Sunday, maybe it's time I took it up...

I don't know JC went for a few as well RB.

I agree with most of the comments about spinners in our comp. Put simply if i can get wickets then it shows that there are batsmen who don't play spin very well. As RB pointed out that probably has a fair bit to do with the lack of exposure the batsmen have to them.

As i have heard the great S.K. Warne say it is about how you get the ball to the batsmen not what it does when it gets there that counts and i think that is why calderbank has had the success he has lately he has an ability to deceive people in the air.

CK's point about the lack of Captains willing to "risk" giving the ball to a spinner is also a major reason not many spinners bowl large amounts of overs in our comp. Without looking at it i would think that most of the spinners in our comp have competitive strike rates with the better quicks but are more expensive per over and average slightly more.

[Westsider]

Havens over Plympton today in 1's and 2's!

[Moe]

Morphy Parks over Coromandel today, 9 wickets down.

[caleb777]

keswick = best side ive played all year, smashed us outright, morphy park winning against coro makes it interesting for us anyway

[someguy1]

Great win by the morphy's boys yesterday, tough 2 days of cricket. Anyone have a ANA, South Rd score?

Top 3 look set (unless ana lost) but tight race for fourth with any of 6 sides (7 if sth rd won) still within a game. Gonna be a interesting couple of weeks coming up.

[wycbloods]

Bays won I know that much.

[The Hunter]

Association side rolled by churches today. Going backwards. Chased 181 sambo took Michelle five-for but bowled and extra six overs in wides. Batting was even worse all out for about a hundred I think.

Note: western youth boys 4 for 6 with Benny mac scoring 6 of them. Moo haa haa

good support on the side lines from a very drunk matt king. What was th call..."go pope John Paul the seconddddddddd"

[CoverKing]

Association side rolled by churches today. Going backwards. Chased 181 sambo took Michelle five-for but bowled and extra six overs in wides. Batting was even worse all out for about a hundred I think.

Note: western youth boys 4 for 6 with Benny mac scoring 6 of them. Moo haa haa

good support on the side lines from a very drunk matt king. What was th call..."go pope John Paul the seconddddddddd"

I do think my duck was far superior to Hoppys in that i absolutely smashed mine,altho it was straight to the fielder, where Hoppy just played it on...

Good effort with the ball i think by our boys altho too many extras. We were pretty bad with the bat though today!

[Gowser]

They suggest to me he is the worst captain in the comp and way over bowls himself!

Pretty harsh, Gowser. IMO, your argument doesn't really stack up either. He's the leading wicket taker with a very good average, strike rate and economy (particularly for a slow bowler), so wouldn't it stand to reason he'd actually be a bad captain if he didn't bowl himself?

If he wasn't captain, he'd still be getting the overs as he keeps producing. He was 2nd in wickets last year from memory. What would you do in his position?

As I told JC on Sunday, as a captain he gets more out of his players than anyone I've played under.

Oh, and unless something incredible happens, he'll be there Saturday & for the Association game. Caleb's not that quick

Yer it was a bit harsh, M. Miller still holds that title. I wasn't questioning his credentials as a bowler. But when you are defending 111 with 33 overs left to bowl on day 1, the only way to win is to take a couple of early wickets and get the batsmen to shut up shop for the night (perfect time for him to come on). You dont open with a slow bowler who will rely on batsmen to make mistakes, especially on a deck that plays different to most. I think it was a bad decision personally and put you guys out of the game.
It was a fun game to play in Roseboy and enjoyed having a beer with a few of the Ramblers lads after each Saturday.