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Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs

Postby Grape Ape » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:27 pm

There is a lot of talk on this forum about the money recruits get paid, wether it’s fair and what it means for the poor old long serving locals who get nothing for their loyal and dedicated service to the footy club they love.

The vast majority of us play footy without being paid for it. We play because we want to. We play because we share a common interest with mates and family, we feel a sense of community in the clubs we are involved with and gain a sense of esteem from belonging to a group and sharing the successes and failures that come with it.

If you think about the personal circumstances of those poor long serving locals who give footy clubs thousands of dollars of value in terms of football ability and club service without being paid a cent, and without grumbling about it, you will find that the vast majority of them are successful away from football. Either that, or they are simply ‘good blokes’ who value personal relationships and mateship more than dollars. For them football is an escape from the pressures of work, it’s a time when they can be with mates, be a bit of a larrikin, take out some aggression on the training track and then reflect on the days events with a few beers afterwards.

While these loyal blokes aren’t being paid in dollars, they are being paid in memories. Don’t underestimate the value of being able to sit around the bar in 30 years time and recount the ‘good old days’ with your mates. Being able to look at the club honour board and remember each and every best and fairest winner, each mail medallist, each club president and recall stories about them all.

Now think of the reasons why a bloke would play for money. The most obvious reason and one that is often referred to on this forum is ‘to pay the bills’. This implies that what said footballer does Monday to Friday does not pay the bills. And for this reason we should feel sorry for these characters. A classic example is my old mate SS. Take this quote, made when arguing why some footballers wouldn’t risk injury by playing rep footy:

silicone skyline wrote:I'm a payed player on a low income with a mortgage to pay.


SS needs the money. He’s got a mortgage and struggles to pay it so he has to sacrifice what most of us do for fun, to earn extra dollars. Rather like a whore. Guy’s like this have to sacrifice or simply don’t value the friendships, the community spirit and camaraderie (that is the reason the majority of us play) to earn the extra dollars they need to get by.

Now sure, we are all given limited abilities in life and need to make the most of the ability we have been blessed with but my point is this: Next time you are thinking to yourself “Gee it would be nice to be getting paid a couple a pineapples for doing what I love” and “I wonder what I could get if I went down to shitter’s ditch for a couple of seasons..” stop. Take a deep breath, fill your chest with pride and think to yourself:

“I don’t need to”.
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Re: Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs

Postby Andy #24 » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:05 pm

Everyone I know who gets paid enjoys playing football. Clubs make money so why shouldn't those who enable them to make money get paid. Accepting cash does not make you a whore, just a person who considers it along with other factors.

Some people genuinely need the money. They might not be as verbose as you and struggle to get a decent paying job or may be studying.

The instant a person accepts some cash they do not throw loyalty or comraderie in the bin. These are just jealous comments from someone who has never walked a mile in anothers shoes.
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Postby 200 Killer Wasps » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:04 pm

Totally agree with you 100% Grape Ape.

If club's have got the money to splash around spend it on your volunteers (Gatekeepers, Goal Umpires, Canteen Staff etc). If you dont have these loyal club workers you dont have a football club and they are the people who generate the income.
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Re: Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs

Postby The Dutchman » Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:40 pm

Grape Ape, your post makes me wonder if you are just having a swipe at SS, or you have a gripe with paid players at your club, but you raise some interesting points.

It is every boys dream to get paid to do what they love. Why cant paid players do all of the things you mentioned, like enjoy the memories, share success and failures, develop life-long friendships and enjoy a few beers?

To say that paid players who pay football to pay the bills are whores is a gross exaggeration.

Fact is some people are not as well educated, or find themselves in jobs that are not highly paid. Football is a second, or first (in some cases) job to many people, including SANFL and AFL players.

There is no reason to feel sorry for these people as you point out. Paid players are obviously paid for a reason. They have a talent to play football, like you have a talent to do something which you get paid for Mon-Fri. In fact, i admire and respect paid players that are highly skilled.

And at the end of the day paid players lift the standard of your club, and competition. If this is not the case you are paying the wrong players. If paid players at your club do not value the club, its culture, history and camaraderie then I would advise you to give them the flick.

Having said that I agree that some local players are just as talented and underpaid.

I take your point supaveteran. There is a place for everyone at football clubs. Players, volunteers, gatekeepers, canteen ladies. Thats what makes football clubs unique and special, and all should be acknowledged and recognised in their own way. Many volunteers work at clubs for the love of the club and would shirk at the thought of getting paid for what they do.

On field success seems to have a flow on effect throughout a footy club, and unfortunately at some smaller clubs, or clubs in smaller towns, paid players are needed for on field success.

Lets not forget that money makes the world go round & we need it to survive!
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Re: Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs

Postby Micky Conlan » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:11 pm

I could'nt agree more GA, loyalty seems to be few n far between these days.I actually know a few BIG guns that over the last few years have been offered everything from $1000 per game to the captains wife. Yet these fellas turned every offer down and surprisingly have won a few flags,this GA is after years of "choking" in the big games,but some how they all stuck together and have reaped the rewards since.Long Live Loyalty!!
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Postby Andy #24 » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:19 pm

Micky Conlan wrote:I could'nt agree more GA, loyalty seems to be few n far between these days.I actually know a few BIG guns that over the last few years have been offered everything from $1000 per game to the captains wife. Yet these fellas turned every offer down and surprisingly have won a few flags,this GA is after years of "choking" in the big games,but some how they all stuck together and have reaped the rewards since.Long Live Loyalty!!


Did this loyalty extend to playing for free where they won these flags?
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Postby The Dutchman » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:44 pm

There is a difference between loyalty and the topic of this thread!

I know plenty of blokes that are highly paid and stay loyal to the club that pays them!
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Postby words of wisdom » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:31 pm

Whats the difference if you play for $100 or $500, local player or not, your stiil taking money off your club that they have to raise though sponsors and supporters. Most clubs require recruits so if the club wants to pay players, whats wrong with a player excepting money to play Grape Ape and co??
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Re: Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs

Postby White Unicorn » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:51 pm

$ and playing sport are part and parcel with the game unfortunately. There are always going to be blokes that try to justify their own football ability by being paid to play. Thats just the nature of the game. To put a different spin on it, we should just congratulate the blokes that get paid $0 or 'pay to play' the respect they deserve. I know a lot of blokes at my club and various other clubs that could demand in excess of $400 a game, but would rather play with their mates and enjoy a beer with their mates after the game. But for a struggling Uni student who needs $200 a week to pay for petrol, beer etc i say good luck to them.
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Postby floataboy » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:47 pm

i can see both sides of the coin.
i dont agree with guys who 'shop around' to get the best prices out of clubs, and play them off against each other to push their price up. also guys who play, final siren goes, they get their envelope and get in their car and go home. not on
however...
if a new player moves to an area and there are two teams after him (who say for arguments sake are both successful)and one offers money and the other doesnt. you cant blame him for taking the money, who wouldnt. i think you would be kidding yourself if you said that you would play for the team offering no money juts because of principle.

if you are worth being paid, why shouldnt you be.

also a lot of country clubs still 'pay' their locals, be it drinks vouchers or even winning incentives... its still being paid for football!
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Re: Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs

Postby Grape Ape » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:16 pm

floataboy wrote:if a new player moves to an area and there are two teams after him (who say for arguments sake are both successful)and one offers money and the other doesnt. you cant blame him for taking the money, who wouldnt. i think you would be kidding yourself if you said that you would play for the team offering no money juts because of principle.


I agree floataboy. I would choose the team that was offering the coin in that situation and I've got no problems with bar vouchers or best player incentives that every player has an equal chance of winning. And if you are good enough to be a pro then that's what the AFL/SANFL/JERVOIS is for. My argument is focused on the reason for me leaving my last club. If I'm leaving the area for work / family reasons fair enough. However if I'm leaving to chase the coin, then the chances are that I'm a nuff nuff. Especially if I'm leaving family and friends behind. And that is the point.

A few have mentioned the scenario of the young gun uni student playing for coin to help them through uni. Wouldn't it be great if those were the guys clubs were able to look after. Imagine if clubs could offer scholarships to star young players struggling through uni. Hopefully this would generate some loyalty from the young player in later years (where loyalty = sacrifice). Sadly this is not the reality. The reality is that most of the nuff nuffs getting the big dollars are washed up SANFL league/reserves players.
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Re: Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs

Postby yeva » Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:27 pm

people have probably got off the thread topic,
i can see both sides of the argument, so should most people.
everyone has a different life situation and this is what the variable is to most players....
i, for one, would vote for loyalty but if you get paid at the club you have played for foe ages with all of your mates then who cares but as said previoulsy if you play clubs of against each other then you have no substance.
On another point, the people that qualify for this topic probably would have played for several clubs????
i have played with them and against like most, it basically the ones that stick around the club for a few beers, make an effort and make a few mates along the way.
i can think of one person that caomes to mind that has played for several clubs and several leagues, which suggests to me he has no substance or loyalty.....
that's enough from me.... finished work for the day, have a good weekend
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Postby Texas Rattlesnake » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:25 pm

There are plenty of guys in the BLG who love the smell of $50 notes...
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Postby The Dutchman » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:33 pm

You're grapes are sounding more and more sour Ape! Your experiences at your old club shouldnt allow you to generalise!
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Postby silicone skyline » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:47 pm

Right on dutchman
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Postby silicone skyline » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:48 pm

The Dutchman wrote:Grape Ape, your post makes me wonder if you are just having a swipe at SS,


Na, i don't think he was having a swipe, more so making an example of an exception.
I think.
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Postby LaughingKookaburra » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:01 pm

I heard of a bloke in a GSFL club once that was very loyal to his club and another club close to them offered him $400 a game to play for them.He went there for 1 year and every cent that club was paying him he gave back to his old club on a weekly basis. The team he played for was beaten by his old club during the finals (By a very close margin) and no doubt the 2-3 players his old club bought for with that money would have been very influential in that result.Different twist to the money saga hey...............
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Postby Plunge Penguin » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:58 pm

Certainly can see both sides to this one. Was given coin by my last club and it was at a time when very much needed - was working part time and only just paying the bills until that happened. Not a huge amount, but enough to pay the rent and a bit more each week, so it really encouraged me to put more into the place. It helped they were a good bunch of blokes, but given we finished near bottom that year, it wasn't like I was chasing success solely.

On the flipside, have seen plenty of players who, as someone said, walked in with 20 mins before game start, play a medium game, hold out their hand to the president at the end and then drive off - not putting a cent back into the club and not being seen again the next year. Mercanaries like that can be real trouble, but it comes down to the judgment of the coach and match committee with that one. Pick the right blokes that will stick around - married blokes with families tend to stay around, due to finding the right people to mix with at the end of the game. A number of wan*ers out there that are just in it for the money, no doubt, and these blokes won't help at all in the medium term, but there are also plenty who, for one reason or another, don't have the requirements of a 9-5 job, commit fully to something they ARE very good at, and try their best.
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Postby Start » Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:17 pm

Blokes who play for cash are nuff nuffs


Blokes who dont, cant play :roll:

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Postby GWW » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:57 pm

LaughingKookaburra wrote:I heard of a bloke in a GSFL club once that was very loyal to his club and another club close to them offered him $400 a game to play for them.He went there for 1 year and every cent that club was paying him he gave back to his old club on a weekly basis. The team he played for was beaten by his old club during the finals (By a very close margin) and no doubt the 2-3 players his old club bought for with that money would have been very influential in that result.Different twist to the money saga hey...............


How long ago did this happen?
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