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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jim05 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 11:57 am

Good old Ronnie has more spin than Lyon.

Reckons Marsh is up and about but would like a better output with the bat and says that him being bowled sparingly in the first 4 tests was tactical.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby am Bays » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:02 pm

Brendan Doggett was included in the Test Squad as cover Hazelwood for the Adelaide test (30 yo 41 FC games 140 odd wickets at 28) so he appears to be in the frame.

I think Starc and hazelwood will play in next years ASHES but not all the tests. Starc at 35 next provided he still has his pace will be looking at one last series.

I think Jim has a good team but we are looking potentially at 4 SA boys in the team can we afford that??

My team for the first test based on current form

- Konstas
- Hunt/Kellaway
- Labaschagne (3 x 50s in his last three tests means he's still getting picked)
- Smith
- Head
- Green
- Carey
- Cummins
- Starc
- 1 of Hazelwood, Richardson Doggett Boland
- Lyon

My only rider is that the likes of Labaschagne, Boland, Hazelwood, Lyon and to a lesser extent Starc dont have time on their side

Then the likes of Murphy, Rocachelli, McSweeny, Patterson, Richardson Doggett and O'Neil could easily be in too.

All will be revealed in Sri Lanka and the Caribbean.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:04 pm

whufc wrote:We often criticise the selectors but in the aftermath of this test they got it pretty right.

Konstas- Everyone will remember his first innings forever; will he make it as a test cricketer....who knows but for one innings he was the only batsmen that was able to get on top of the possibly the worlds greatest ever bowler. His innings was the platform that set up the score of 450 plus.

Marsh- Primary role was as a batter and he failed that.... but a couple of extremely good and very important catches meant he had a minor impact. Bowled 10 overs for the test at 3 an over, probably is the limit of what would be expected with the ball from the batting allrounder Webster. Marsh needs to go undoubtedly but like Head whilst he failed in one role he was able to get involved in others.


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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby mal » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:13 pm

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The threats to OZ are obviously IN and EG
We gotta harness a team that can compete well in India
The type is a middle order batsman with flair
For that player to provide a finger spinning option
That player for me is Cooper Connolly
He is young, confident , and oozes natural ability
If he develops his finger spin , I think he is a real good long term player for OZ
Take him to SL should be a priority- to gain exposure on spinning decks

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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:14 pm

am Bays wrote:Brendan Doggett was included in the Test Squad as cover Hazelwood for the Adelaide test (30 yo 41 FC games 140 odd wickets at 28) so he appears to be in the frame.

I think Starc and hazelwood will play in next years ASHES but not all the tests. Starc at 35 next provided he still has his pace will be looking at one last series.

I think Jim has a good team but we are looking potentially at 4 SA boys in the team can we afford that??

My team for the first test based on current form

- Konstas
- Hunt/Kellaway
- Labaschagne (3 x 50s in his last three tests means he's still getting picked)
- Smith
- Head
- Green
- Carey
- Cummins
- Starc
- 1 of Hazelwood, Richardson Doggett Boland
- Lyon

My only rider is that the likes of Labaschagne, Boland, Hazelwood, Lyon and to a lesser extent Starc dont have time on their side

Then the likes of Murphy, Rocachelli, McSweeny, Patterson, Richardson Doggett and O'Neil could easily be in too.

All will be revealed in Sri Lanka and the Caribbean.


When was the Caribbean tour announced? Massive news for our development
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:15 pm

mal wrote:CC
The threats to OZ are obviously IN and EG
We gotta harness a team that can compete well in India
The type is a middle order batsman with flair
For that player to provide a finger spinning option
That player for me is Cooper Connolly
He is young, confident , and oozes natural ability
If he develops his finger spin , I think he is a real good long term player for OZ
Take him to SL should be a priority- to gain exposure on spinning decks

CC is a star
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I thought you were referring to Colin Croft.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:21 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Konstas got found out, he has some great hand-eye co-ordination but he got lucky that hew was able to skip away to 30 odd without anyone realizing, you hit the nail on the head with one of your comments about how will he go in the 2nd dig, they clogged his hitting zones up and there wasn't a plan B.

He got found out? Didn't he just get a very good delivery from a great bowler? There's no shame in that right? I think you're looking into his second innings dismissal a bit too much.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:25 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
am Bays wrote:Brendan Doggett was included in the Test Squad as cover Hazelwood for the Adelaide test (30 yo 41 FC games 140 odd wickets at 28) so he appears to be in the frame.

I think Starc and hazelwood will play in next years ASHES but not all the tests. Starc at 35 next provided he still has his pace will be looking at one last series.

I think Jim has a good team but we are looking potentially at 4 SA boys in the team can we afford that??

My team for the first test based on current form

- Konstas
- Hunt/Kellaway
- Labaschagne (3 x 50s in his last three tests means he's still getting picked)
- Smith
- Head
- Green
- Carey
- Cummins
- Starc
- 1 of Hazelwood, Richardson Doggett Boland
- Lyon

My only rider is that the likes of Labaschagne, Boland, Hazelwood, Lyon and to a lesser extent Starc dont have time on their side

Then the likes of Murphy, Rocachelli, McSweeny, Patterson, Richardson Doggett and O'Neil could easily be in too.

All will be revealed in Sri Lanka and the Caribbean.


When was the Caribbean tour announced? Massive news for our development
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-to-play-three-tests-during-2025-tour-of-west-indies-1463882
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/3316515 ... en-cricket
No exact dates for the tour are confirmed yet.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:29 pm

am Bays wrote:Brendan Doggett was included in the Test Squad as cover Hazelwood for the Adelaide test (30 yo 41 FC games 140 odd wickets at 28) so he appears to be in the frame.

I think Starc and hazelwood will play in next years ASHES but not all the tests. Starc at 35 next provided he still has his pace will be looking at one last series.

I think Jim has a good team but we are looking potentially at 4 SA boys in the team can we afford that??

My team for the first test based on current form

- Konstas
- Hunt/Kellaway
- Labaschagne (3 x 50s in his last three tests means he's still getting picked)
- Smith
- Head
- Green
- Carey
- Cummins
- Starc
- 1 of Hazelwood, Richardson Doggett Boland
- Lyon

My only rider is that the likes of Labaschagne, Boland, Hazelwood, Lyon and to a lesser extent Starc dont have time on their side

Then the likes of Murphy, Rocachelli, McSweeny, Patterson, Richardson Doggett and O'Neil could easily be in too.

All will be revealed in Sri Lanka and the Caribbean.

Labuschagne doesn't have time on his side? He's younger than Smith, Carey, Cummins and Starc.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:42 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Konstas got found out, he has some great hand-eye co-ordination but he got lucky that hew was able to skip away to 30 odd without anyone realizing, you hit the nail on the head with one of your comments about how will he go in the 2nd dig, they clogged his hitting zones up and there wasn't a plan B.

He got found out? Didn't he just get a very good delivery from a great bowler? There's no shame in that right? I think you're looking into his second innings dismissal a bit too much.

I quite possible am, time will tell. The lad likes to bat with flair and risk, he wasn't afforded that luxury in the 2nd dig as the fielders were in his zones.

Hopefully he has a patient side to him as I would love to see him be the next best thing.

I had my all my kids and their partners with me as we met at my house for brunch before going to a family function on Boxing Day, we weren't leaving while he was batting, I was in total awe of what he was producing, it was all everyone was talking about at the family show, even the ones that don't follow the cricket that much.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:44 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:
am Bays wrote:Brendan Doggett was included in the Test Squad as cover Hazelwood for the Adelaide test (30 yo 41 FC games 140 odd wickets at 28) so he appears to be in the frame.

I think Starc and hazelwood will play in next years ASHES but not all the tests. Starc at 35 next provided he still has his pace will be looking at one last series.

I think Jim has a good team but we are looking potentially at 4 SA boys in the team can we afford that??

My team for the first test based on current form

- Konstas
- Hunt/Kellaway
- Labaschagne (3 x 50s in his last three tests means he's still getting picked)
- Smith
- Head
- Green
- Carey
- Cummins
- Starc
- 1 of Hazelwood, Richardson Doggett Boland
- Lyon

My only rider is that the likes of Labaschagne, Boland, Hazelwood, Lyon and to a lesser extent Starc dont have time on their side

Then the likes of Murphy, Rocachelli, McSweeny, Patterson, Richardson Doggett and O'Neil could easily be in too.

All will be revealed in Sri Lanka and the Caribbean.

Labuschagne doesn't have time on his side? He's younger than Smith, Carey, Cummins and Starc.


People forget that he is only 30, I know I expected him to be older, he has definitely got a B for this series after a poor start, like him or not we need him moving forward for the next 3-4 years.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby whufc » Tue Dec 31, 2024 12:55 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Konstas got found out, he has some great hand-eye co-ordination but he got lucky that hew was able to skip away to 30 odd without anyone realizing, you hit the nail on the head with one of your comments about how will he go in the 2nd dig, they clogged his hitting zones up and there wasn't a plan B.

He got found out? Didn't he just get a very good delivery from a great bowler? There's no shame in that right? I think you're looking into his second innings dismissal a bit too much.

I quite possible am, time will tell. The lad likes to bat with flair and risk, he wasn't afforded that luxury in the 2nd dig as the fielders were in his zones.

Hopefully he has a patient side to him as I would love to see him be the next best thing.

I had my all my kids and their partners with me as we met at my house for brunch before going to a family function on Boxing Day, we weren't leaving while he was batting, I was in total awe of what he was producing, it was all everyone was talking about at the family show, even the ones that don't follow the cricket that much.


Same had the family around including the Irish in laws and they were glued to the tv watching Konstas.

It almost had the ‘stopped a nation’ feel about it.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby am Bays » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:18 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:Labuschagne doesn't have time on his side? He's younger than Smith, Carey, Cummins and Starc.


People forget that he is only 30, I know I expected him to be older, he has definitely got a B for this series after a poor start, like him or not we need him moving forward for the next 3-4 years.


My bad, for the first time in 20 years on this site I'm prepared to say I'm wrong... ;)

I knew that as he's younger than Patterson who has had a good return to Shield cricket but u yes Labuschagne does have another good five years of Test cricket in him if he starts to get back to converting those 50s into tons. He could well play the solid anchor role at 3 where others can bat around him a la Pujara, Dravid, Boon and Langer (1998-2001).
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Brodlach » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:19 pm

I’m doubting Starc plays Friday, who plays in his spot?
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby am Bays » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:22 pm

Brodlach wrote:I’m doubting Starc plays Friday, who plays in his spot?


I reckon Abbott, as much for his batting and home ground knowledge. Got to make it as hard as possible for India to take 20 wickets.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jim05 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:23 pm

Brodlach wrote:I’m doubting Starc plays Friday, who plays in his spot?
Abbott will probably get the gig.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jim05 » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:27 pm

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When was the Caribbean tour announced? Massive news for our development


Was announced a fair while back. Was initially a 2 test series and recently both agreed to add another test and make it a 3 test series.

Dragging their feet announcing venues and dates as I’ve already booked 5 weeks off to head over there in July.
CA have said it will be in June/July so I’m hoping I get to at least one test and do some sightseeing
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Armchair expert » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:29 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Brodlach wrote:I’m doubting Starc plays Friday, who plays in his spot?
Abbott will probably get the gig.
Maybe Richardson


It will be Abbott, he replaces Marsh.

I hate it but that is what will happen.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby mal » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:29 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
mal wrote:CC
The threats to OZ are obviously IN and EG
We gotta harness a team that can compete well in India
The type is a middle order batsman with flair
For that player to provide a finger spinning option
That player for me is Cooper Connolly
He is young, confident , and oozes natural ability
If he develops his finger spin , I think he is a real good long term player for OZ
Take him to SL should be a priority- to gain exposure on spinning decks

CC is a star
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I thought you were referring to Colin Croft.


https://youtu.be/8jwmzLN-SNI?si=errcLqD35qMNUx5i
Watch Colin Croft at the 2-10 minute mark
Kind of reminds me of Day 1 MCG OZ V IN
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby whufc » Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:30 pm

I reckon Abbott gets the nod and well deserved for everything he has been through

Richardson would be tempting but maybe a bit risky without a genuine fifth bowler

Abbott could also be earmarked for the Sri Lanka tour, play the 2 spinners with Cummins and Starc. Bat Carey at 6 and Abbott at 7 especially given how well Pat is batting at 8.
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