Carlton

[gadj1976]

For me it’s our senior players letting us down.
Cripps is clearly injured but if he chooses to play he has to lead from the front not when he feels like it.
Whilst I admire and respect everything Docherty has been through I don’t think he’s a good leader either.
Goes missing when we need him.
Weitering is struggling this year, I’m assuming his personal issues are dragging him down or he’s carried the back lines for too long now.
McGovern is a senior player and needs to play like one and not pick and choice when he goes for a ball.
Kennedy and Hewitt are too inconsistent.
TDK isn’t half as good as the media make out he is.
SOS is lost and has no position each week but they continue to play him to fill gaps.
Curnow and McKay can’t kick for shit!

We’ve tried everything but sacking Voss isn’t the answer.

Bye bye Voss. Sign up a proven coach. Pay the big bucks and let him have full reign and make it long term. Stop getting spud players and the coach will **** off the shit **** and hopefully get them into a better position. What a shit club.

Should've signed Ross Lyon when we had the chance
Still would only be kicking 6 or 7 goals a game but would only be conceding 5 or 6
Not sure why anyone was bullish about Carlton's chances this year, still too many blokes getting games who wouldnt at other clubs

We were 8-2 after 10 last year so I'm not sure it's the list, losing to Melb and Collingwood by less than a kick in the last 4 games.

Someone please, needs to teach Curnow and McKay to kick drop punts. Even if they watch a tape of Fogarty from the Crows, who runs straight at the goals, would be a great start.

I still don't think we do the basics well enough - field kicking seems to be ok but the kicking into the forward line is horrendous! Then there is crumbing. When have we crumbed a contest in our forward line and scored a goal? I can't recall one recently. I can't even recall when we crumbed a contest.

Till we get those basics right, we'll not score enough to win games of footy.

[gadj1976]

If Docherty didnt have cancer no one would even talk about him. Over rated footballer who the media loves because of his health issues

Harsh?

He hasn't been brilliant this year but our B&F will be won by someone playing 3 decent games.

[RB]

I don't watch much of Carlton but from my perspective the problem is the cattle. I just don't reckon the 5th to 15th or thereabouts best players measure up to their counterparts at a majority of clubs.

How has their drafting over the last 20 years been so poor? Along with Essendon, there has been no point since about 2002, 2003-ish where I've been even remotely expecting them to figure up near the top of the ladder at the end of the season.

[Booney]

Their list is bog average.

Midfield Cripps (52%), Walsh (63), Curnow (53) are ranked below average for kicking efficiency.

Forward Owies, Martin and Motlop are below average for tackles inside 50.

It goes in crap. It doesn't get held in.

[whufc]

Their list is bog average.

Midfield Cripps (52%), Walsh (63), Curnow (53) are ranked below average for kicking efficiency.

Forward Owies, Martin and Motlop are below average for tackles inside 50.

It goes in crap. It doesn't get held in.

Thats the one.....

Cant win games in the AFL with no defensive pressure.

When Carlton lost to Melbourne two weeks ago. Neal Bullen had 7 tackles, Chandler 5, Pickett 3.

Carlton on the other hand had, Boyd 3 and Owies with 3 and not much else from their forward line.

[Armchair expert]

If Docherty didnt have cancer no one would even talk about him. Over rated footballer who the media loves because of his health issues

Harsh?

He hasn't been brilliant this year but our B&F will be won by someone playing 3 decent games.

Cerra wins it easily imo

[Booney]

Their list is bog average.

Midfield Cripps (52%), Walsh (63), Curnow (53) are ranked below average for kicking efficiency.

Forward Owies, Martin and Motlop are below average for tackles inside 50.

It goes in crap. It doesn't get held in.

Thats the one.....

Cant win games in the AFL with no defensive pressure.

When Carlton lost to Melbourne two weeks ago. Neal Bullen had 7 tackles, Chandler 5, Pickett 3.

Carlton on the other hand had, Boyd 3 and Owies with 3 and not much else from their forward line.

Rank 13th for forward half turn overs.

No pressure in the forward line, no speed in the midfield to stop it when it comes out. Pretty obvious where the problems lie.

[Armchair expert]

Their list is bog average.

Midfield Cripps (52%), Walsh (63), Curnow (53) are ranked below average for kicking efficiency.

Forward Owies, Martin and Motlop are below average for tackles inside 50.

It goes in crap. It doesn't get held in.

Thats the one.....

Cant win games in the AFL with no defensive pressure.

When Carlton lost to Melbourne two weeks ago. Neal Bullen had 7 tackles, Chandler 5, Pickett 3.

Carlton on the other hand had, Boyd 3 and Owies with 3 and not much else from their forward line.

They provide zero offensive pressure also, Motlop Durdin Owies Honey run around like headless chooks and get in the way a lot.

If Carlton had just two more forward options that would take a lot of pressure off Curnow and McKay making space and not being 3 on 1 all the time which would improve the midfields kicking efficiency as the long bomb down the line wouldn't be the only option.

[Jim05]

Brad Scott would’ve absolutely loved seeing McKay and Curnow both flying for the same marks on the Wing at times. They can take them up there all day every day.
Cripps having 1 kick in the second half and Walsh getting meaningless touches doesn’t help either though.
Our list isn’t great but I can at least see what we are trying to do with them and we have a clear game plan which doesn’t always come off but I’d much rather that than the garbage that Carlton are putting up

[whufc]

Their list is bog average.

Midfield Cripps (52%), Walsh (63), Curnow (53) are ranked below average for kicking efficiency.

Forward Owies, Martin and Motlop are below average for tackles inside 50.

It goes in crap. It doesn't get held in.

Thats the one.....

Cant win games in the AFL with no defensive pressure.

When Carlton lost to Melbourne two weeks ago. Neal Bullen had 7 tackles, Chandler 5, Pickett 3.

Carlton on the other hand had, Boyd 3 and Owies with 3 and not much else from their forward line.

They provide zero offensive pressure also, Motlop Durdin Owies Honey run around like headless chooks and get in the way a lot.

If Carlton had just two more forward options that would take a lot of pressure off Curnow and McKay making space and not being 3 on 1 all the time which would improve the midfields kicking efficiency as the long bomb down the line wouldn't be the only option.

Yeah agree offensively they are all panic merchants. Whether it's a lack of voice down there or just those blokes have no composure they shit the bed every time they get the ball.

Inside 50 efficiency
Melbourne 48%
Carlton 41%

Essendon 56%
Carlton 50%
(Carlton had 15 more inside 50's, just so inefficient)

Then throw in tackles inside forward 50

Melbourne 6
Carlton 4

Essendon 19
Carlton 7

So essentially they are not efficient going inside 50 and they have stuff all defensive pressure in there.....not a great combo.

[DOC]

For me it’s our senior players letting us down.
Cripps is clearly injured but if he chooses to play he has to lead from the front not when he feels like it.
Whilst I admire and respect everything Docherty has been through I don’t think he’s a good leader either.
Goes missing when we need him.
Weitering is struggling this year, I’m assuming his personal issues are dragging him down or he’s carried the back lines for too long now.
McGovern is a senior player and needs to play like one and not pick and choice when he goes for a ball.
Kennedy and Hewitt are too inconsistent.
TDK isn’t half as good as the media make out he is.
SOS is lost and has no position each week but they continue to play him to fill gaps.
Curnow and McKay can’t kick for shit!

We’ve tried everything but sacking Voss isn’t the answer.

I don't think I'm on my own here. Think you have this one wrong.

Incisive, forward thinking and reads the game beautifully. Very accurate as well. Also shows a lot of respect which makes him a leader which is commendable given the relative ages of those around him. Deserves to be kept.

One of the best posters this site has ever had!

[The Dark Knight]

For me it’s our senior players letting us down.
Cripps is clearly injured but if he chooses to play he has to lead from the front not when he feels like it.
Whilst I admire and respect everything Docherty has been through I don’t think he’s a good leader either.
Goes missing when we need him.
Weitering is struggling this year, I’m assuming his personal issues are dragging him down or he’s carried the back lines for too long now.
McGovern is a senior player and needs to play like one and not pick and choice when he goes for a ball.
Kennedy and Hewitt are too inconsistent.
TDK isn’t half as good as the media make out he is.
SOS is lost and has no position each week but they continue to play him to fill gaps.
Curnow and McKay can’t kick for shit!

We’ve tried everything but sacking Voss isn’t the answer.

I don't think I'm on my own here. Think you have this one wrong.

Incisive, forward thinking and reads the game beautifully. Very accurate as well. Also shows a lot of respect which makes him a leader which is commendable given the relative ages of those around him. Deserves to be kept.

One of the best posters this site has ever had!

Thanks DOC, love you too. [emoji3590]
I agree with the sentiments of the Carlton supporters on here about the current state of their club and you'd think all Carlton supporters would feel similar.
I hope they don't sack Voss, can't keep sacking the coach and expecting their fortunes to rapidly turn around. The Blues are just not good enough and have been a basket case for the large majority of my life. The club has clearly never got over the mismanagement in the mid to late 90s, for evidence of that I've referred to John Elliott's Open Mike where he avoided all responsibility when questioned by Sheenan about that period. His attitude seems like it's engrained in the club, the 'Carlton Curse' right?

PS. Everytime I see/hear De Koning referred to as TDK I immediately think of him as the DC comic book character The Detachable Kid, TDK for short.

[LaughingKookaburra]

For me it’s our senior players letting us down.
Cripps is clearly injured but if he chooses to play he has to lead from the front not when he feels like it.
Whilst I admire and respect everything Docherty has been through I don’t think he’s a good leader either.
Goes missing when we need him.
Weitering is struggling this year, I’m assuming his personal issues are dragging him down or he’s carried the back lines for too long now.
McGovern is a senior player and needs to play like one and not pick and choice when he goes for a ball.
Kennedy and Hewitt are too inconsistent.
TDK isn’t half as good as the media make out he is.
SOS is lost and has no position each week but they continue to play him to fill gaps.
Curnow and McKay can’t kick for shit!

We’ve tried everything but sacking Voss isn’t the answer.

I don't think I'm on my own here. Think you have this one wrong.

Incisive, forward thinking and reads the game beautifully. Very accurate as well. Also shows a lot of respect which makes him a leader which is commendable given the relative ages of those around him. Deserves to be kept.

One of the best posters this site has ever had!

Thanks DOC, love you too. [emoji3590]
I agree with the sentiments of the Carlton supporters on here about the current state of their club and you'd think all Carlton supporters would feel similar.
I hope they don't sack Voss, can't keep sacking the coach and expecting their fortunes to rapidly turn around. The Blues are just not good enough and have been a basket case for the large majority of my life. The club has clearly never got over the mismanagement in the mid to late 90s, for evidence of that I've referred to John Elliott's Open Mike where he avoided all responsibility when questioned by Sheenan about that period. His attitude seems like it's engrained in the club, the 'Carlton Curse' right?

PS. Everytime I see/hear De Koning referred to as TDK I immediately think of him as the DC comic book character The Detachable Kid, TDK for short.

I disagree with the slamming of Elliot. They weren’t the only ones throwing cash around everywhere in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s and that’s why the VFL was financially rooted and needed to go National. Carlton had a social club off field that was the envy of the entire AFL and that gave them a culture that you wanted to be a part of. The treatment of Elliot and co in the end could have been managed so much better and that ripped the heart and soul out of the club and what made it successful. Like it or not, Elliot was the Carlton Football Club and there really hasn’t been a figure there that demands consistent success in an inclusive environment for a long time and still there is internal bickering - That hasn’t stopped for close to 20 years. That’s come from the lips of some pretty influential Carlton people.

[gadj1976]

Everytime I hear of TDK I think of this personally but that's cos of my age. Anyway, I digress.

TDK.JPG (95.72 KiB) Viewed 2273 times

We kick goals, we win most of those games of footy. We crumb in the forward line, we win those games of footy. Whilst I was impressed with Ash Hansen in the way he speaks, I have zero regard for his coaching prowess today, as our forward line is as dysfunctional as Melbourne's in 2019, prior to winning the flag.

[locky801]

Between Motlop, Owies, Martin they landed 3 tackles.

I dont see an issue here, isnt this the way the AFL powers to be want the game played, no tackles

[mighty_tiger_79]

Between Motlop, Owies, Martin they landed 3 tackles.

I dont see an issue here, isnt this the way the AFL powers to be want the game played, no tackles

carlton are ahead of the curve

[amber_fluid]

Between Motlop, Owies, Martin they landed 3 tackles.

I dont see an issue here, isnt this the way the AFL powers to be want the game played, no tackles

carlton are ahead of the curve

We always have been.
16 premierships!

[mal]

Their list is bog average.

Midfield Cripps (52%), Walsh (63), Curnow (53) are ranked below average for kicking efficiency.

Forward Owies, Martin and Motlop are below average for tackles inside 50.

It goes in crap. It doesn't get held in.

Thats the one.....

Cant win games in the AFL with no defensive pressure.

When Carlton lost to Melbourne two weeks ago. Neal Bullen had 7 tackles, Chandler 5, Pickett 3.

Carlton on the other hand had, Boyd 3 and Owies with 3 and not much else from their forward line.

They provide zero offensive pressure also, Motlop Durdin Owies Honey run around like headless chooks and get in the way a lot.

If Carlton had just two more forward options that would take a lot of pressure off Curnow and McKay making space and not being 3 on 1 all the time which would improve the midfields kicking efficiency as the long bomb down the line wouldn't be the only option.

Yeah agree offensively they are all panic merchants. Whether it's a lack of voice down there or just those blokes have no composure they shit the bed every time they get the ball.

Inside 50 efficiency
Melbourne 48%
Carlton 41%

Essendon 56%
Carlton 50%
(Carlton had 15 more inside 50's, just so inefficient)

Then throw in tackles inside forward 50

Melbourne 6
Carlton 4

Essendon 19
Carlton 7

So essentially they are not efficient going inside 50 and they have stuff all defensive pressure in there.....not a great combo.

6-16
6-8
6-16
7-15
8-11

33-66 CA last 5 games they have lost
If they convert more goals to points perhaps they will improve ?

[whufc]

Yeah absolutely,

Is it:

-Shots from bad areas
-Lack of composure from lack of voice etc
-Purely bad kicks of the football......this could be McKay.
-Are they taking shots from right on / just over their range. How many are rushed through from kicks falling short.

[Rik E Boy]

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