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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:57 am

Historical rape claims against Liberal are a problem for Scott Morrison

The allegation that a serving Liberal allegedly raped a teenager in the 1980s is a shocking claim that is now impossible for police to investigate.

The woman is dead. The allegations centre around events that happened more than 30 years ago, before the Liberal entered politics.

Exactly one year ago, NSW Police established Strike Force Wyndarra to investigate the claims. She met with detectives from the NSW Police Child Abuse and Sex Crimes Squad in February 2020 to reveal that she had been raped by the man.

But those investigations were suspended after she took her own life in June, 2020.

It is a wicked problem for the Prime Minister because it is highly unlikely that the police can properly investigate. The key witness for the prosecution is dead. Finance Minister Simon Birmingham has called for the police to be able to do their job. But they can’t. The idea that police can resolve this matter — or anyone can — is a false hope.

But her friends were not prepared to let the dead woman’s claims die with her. That’s why her supporters including lawyers and business leaders took up her case after her death, insisting on a coronial inquiry and writing to the Prime Minister Scott Morrison detailing historical rape allegations.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:00 am

As someone who kicked and screamed about Holgate's watches, it is inconceivable that Morrison has not temporarily stood down this Minister and launched an independent investigation.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:46 pm

‘The victim was my client and I know who the minister is.’ Here’s what should happen next

As matters stand today, the prime minister has, among the 16 male members of his cabinet, a senior minister who is accused of raping a 16-year-old girl in 1988. I’ll put this upfront: The victim was my client, and I know who the minister is. My commentary is based purely on what’s on the public record.

The question confronting Morrison, his cabinet ministers, his outer ministry and his entire government is politically explosive but ethically straightforward. What should they do?

As a legal fact, it is theoretically possible for a criminal rape prosecution to proceed despite the alleged victim having died. As a reality, that won’t happen. The evidentiary burden on the prosecution and the legal protections afforded the alleged perpetrator cannot be bridged.

The coronial inquest into the victim’s tragic death is unlikely to address (and cannot resolve) her allegation of rape. Its purpose is to determine the cause of her death.

In simple terms, there is no ordinary legal process which is going to move forward the case.

That leaves a situation which is untenable: a senior cabinet minister under the cloud of an untested allegation of extreme gravity.

The political consequence is paralysis; the government won’t be able to effectively function because the integrity of almost its entire front bench is in question. There is no possibility of clear air.

Political calculation may continue to determine what Morrison and his colleagues do (as it consistently has in relation to Brittany Higgins’ alleged rape). However, it is not too late for them, collectively or individually, to consider what would be the right thing to do.

The first obvious step is for the minister who is the subject of the allegation to come forward, identify himself and make a public statement. He should also step down — or be stepped down — while the matter is formally addressed.

Secondly, the prime minister should institute an independent inquiry into the matter, to fully investigate the allegation and its surrounding circumstances, and determine on the civil standard of proof what happened. This is similar to what the High Court did in response to the allegations against Justice Dyson Heydon.

Given the seriousness of the allegation and the potential consequences, such an inquiry needs to have real substance. A judicial inquiry may be most appropriate, with powers to compel witnesses and take evidence on oath. It should not be internal, secret or capable of being buried. In fairness to everyone, it must be beyond suspicion.

It is of course not optimal that there will never be a determination of criminal guilt in this case, from the perspective of the victim, the accused, and the public. The unavailability of that resolution, however, forces us to make do with the remaining available tools.

What if the cabinet minister remains silent? Then the prime minister must step up and make the identification himself.

What if he doesn’t, and refuses to institute an inquiry at all, relying instead on the presumption of innocence as a sufficient justification for doing nothing?

That scenario would be untenable, I would hope, for the other members of the cabinet. How could they continue, their own reputations smeared, and one of their colleagues carrying on with the allegation left hanging? They should resign their commissions.

The same cascading collision of corporate and individual responsibility rolls all the way to the bottom of the government. It is ultimately a personal question of integrity and ethics: with what standard of unaccountability are you prepared to be associated?

It’s one thing to sit in cabinet, the ministry, or the party room with colleagues who have no apparent compunction about using public money for partisan gain. It is quite another to sit next to a man who is accused of raping a schoolgirl but won’t stand up and face up.

If this were rugby league, the player would have been stood down by now. That is because the integrity of the “game” is paramount, taking precedence over the rights of the accused. Can we seriously tolerate a lower standard in government than in sport?
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Dinglinga75 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:07 am

Where is Christian hiding ????
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby shoe boy » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:19 am

Dinglinga75 wrote:Where is Christian hiding ????


Same place Linda Reynolds is hiding ? remember her the defence minister :evil:
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:52 am

Morrison hasn't even had the decency to read the letter and statements sent to him. He was briefed ..... seriously. He and his colleagues, bar one, who has not be heard from, are hiding behind the presumption of innocence. Morrison has declared it a Police matter knowing full well a Police inquiry at Federal or State level is a road to nowhere. Show some leadership. If the alleged rapist is innocent then what has he to hide. Surely you would want your name cleared of such a serious allegation?
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:26 pm

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:Morrison hasn't even had the decency to read the letter and statements sent to him. He was briefed ..... seriously. He and his colleagues, bar one, who has not be heard from, are hiding behind the presumption of innocence. Morrison has declared it a Police matter knowing full well a Police inquiry at Federal or State level is a road to nowhere. Show some leadership. If the alleged rapist is innocent then what has he to hide. Surely you would want your name cleared of such a serious allegation?


I wonder what would happen to a line manager in any other workplace, let's say a school, if he was presented with a dossier outlining the brutal anal rape of a 16 year old child by one of his employees and he chose to ignore it?

The obfuscation by Morrison on this matter is abominable.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Apachebulldog » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:51 pm

You will find that these historical allegations are a problem for both sides of the political spectrum

I do not know if any of you are aware of this case but this victim is still alive and she has presented more evidence in 2019 and still the corrupt Vic police are sitting on it.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... rriff.html

I have been following the Kathy Sherriff/Bill Shorten allegation for a few years now and with all the evidence still no prosecution.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... nst-b.html

Also a great article from Andrew Bolt The Herald Sun.

"Rape Claims
Billl Shorten was protected
Why not this Minister too"

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andr ... a325301ff3

For me once again this highlights the hypocrisy and double standards of politicians and the media. :(
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:59 pm

Apachebulldog wrote:You will find that these historical allegations are a problem for both sides of the political spectrum

I do not know if any of you are aware of this case but this victim is still alive and she has presented more evidence in 2019 and still the corrupt Vic police are sitting on it.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... rriff.html

I have been following the Kathy Sherriff/Bill Shorten allegation for a few years now and with all the evidence still no prosecution.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... nst-b.html

Also a great article from Andrew Bolt The Herald Sun.

"Rape Claims
Billl Shorten was protected
Why not this Minister too"

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andr ... a325301ff3

For me once again this highlights the hypocrisy and double standards of politicians and the media. :(


There's no double standard - the case above was investigated twice by Vic Pol.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Dinglinga75 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:45 pm

The Australian Government cannot be seen to reward and support this behaviour.

NSW police to continue this investigation as they have proven incompetent with investigating Morrisons mentor Brian Houston, over 18 months of investigating and nothing.

They also failed in investigating Angus Taylor for his fraudulent document attacking Clover Moore, but we shouldn’t expect much from the NSW Commissioner who use to be Morrison’s next door neighbour to do anything to damage Morrison’s reign.

Morrison again wants the investigation to be in house Liberals investigating Liberals. It’s now untenable that the Governments Attorney General can investigate himself.

Morrison chose to ignore the plea from a young Australian woman and has decided that her words are not important.

The damage has been done Morrison and Ms Thornton paid with her life.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:54 pm

Dinglinga75 wrote:The Australian Government cannot be seen to reward and support this behaviour.

NSW police to continue this investigation as they have proven incompetent with investigating Morrisons mentor Brian Houston, over 18 months of investigating and nothing.

They also failed in investigating Angus Taylor for his fraudulent document attacking Clover Moore, but we shouldn’t expect much from the NSW Commissioner who use to be Morrison’s next door neighbour to do anything to damage Morrison’s reign.

Morrison again wants the investigation to be in house Liberals investigating Liberals. It’s now untenable that the Governments Attorney General can investigate himself.

Morrison chose to ignore the plea from a young Australian woman and has decided that her words are not important.

The damage has been done Morrison and Ms Thornton paid with her life.


It would be extremely difficult for NSW Police to proceed without victim testimony in court. So family and friends of the alleged victim have asked Morrison for in independent investigation under administrative law, very similar to that of the investigation into Dyson Heydon.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:36 pm

Dinglinga75 wrote:
NSW police to continue this investigation as they have proven incompetent with investigating Morrisons mentor Brian Houston, over 18 months of investigating and nothing.

NSW police have already decided there is insufficient evidence and closed the case.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Dinglinga75 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:25 pm

Mr Beefy wrote:
Dinglinga75 wrote:
NSW police to continue this investigation as they have proven incompetent with investigating Morrisons mentor Brian Houston, over 18 months of investigating and nothing.

NSW police have already decided there is insufficient evidence and closed the case.


Any irony the NSW Police Commissioner is also a member of Hillsong and a close friend of ScoMo ..
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Bum Crack » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:08 pm

Dinglinga75 wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
Dinglinga75 wrote:
NSW police to continue this investigation as they have proven incompetent with investigating Morrisons mentor Brian Houston, over 18 months of investigating and nothing.

NSW police have already decided there is insufficient evidence and closed the case.


Any irony the NSW Police Commissioner is also a member of Hillsong and a close friend of ScoMo ..

Is this the Covid thread? So many conspiracy theories.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:14 pm

Dinglinga75 wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
Dinglinga75 wrote:
NSW police to continue this investigation as they have proven incompetent with investigating Morrisons mentor Brian Houston, over 18 months of investigating and nothing.

NSW police have already decided there is insufficient evidence and closed the case.


Any irony the NSW Police Commissioner is also a member of Hillsong and a close friend of ScoMo ..


Is Fuller a member of Hillsong and is he a close friend of Morrison's?
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Dinglinga75 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:24 pm

Yes ., former neighbour, Hillsong Member .....
But lets face it ... NSW have NEVER had corrupt police officers
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Apachebulldog » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:29 pm

Q. wrote:
Apachebulldog wrote:You will find that these historical allegations are a problem for both sides of the political spectrum

I do not know if any of you are aware of this case but this victim is still alive and she has presented more evidence in 2019 and still the corrupt Vic police are sitting on it.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... rriff.html

I have been following the Kathy Sherriff/Bill Shorten allegation for a few years now and with all the evidence still no prosecution.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... nst-b.html

Also a great article from Andrew Bolt The Herald Sun.

"Rape Claims
Billl Shorten was protected
Why not this Minister too"

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andr ... a325301ff3

For me once again this highlights the hypocrisy and double standards of politicians and the media. :(


There's no double standard - the case above was investigated [b]twice by Vic Pol.



Ok right like i said i have followed this story since it came out years ago.

As i can recall when Kathy Sherriff first reported this alledged incident she provided witnesses names etc however the police investigators at the time after a few months or so advised that they could not find/locate these witnesses.

So it was either ineptitude a cover up or just plain corruption as you know Vic Police has a long history of corruption.

Finally after searching Kathy finds most of these witnesses and 2019 provides names etc once again asks Vic Pol to re open the case and supposedly investigate.

Heaps of reports about this case over the years been on current affairs programs etc.

https://www.theunshackled.net/australia ... re-emerge/

https://www.theunshackled.net/australia ... re-emerge/

So Q my question to you and everyone else on here is say that was your mom sister wife daughter who years later came out and made such an allegation would you believe your close family member and steadfastly support her or would you just go along and believe the corrupt Vic Police.

Rape is Rape it does not matter what side of the political fence you sit on its not about scoring cheap political points against each other.

There must be justice and resolution for victims.

My other question to all is Bill Shortens name has been ruined and tarnished for ever by this allegation.

So why has Bill Shorten not sued Kathy Sherriff for defamation etc

To this day Kathy Sherriff is still resolute and fighting for justice.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:39 pm

Apachebulldog wrote:
Q. wrote:
Apachebulldog wrote:You will find that these historical allegations are a problem for both sides of the political spectrum

I do not know if any of you are aware of this case but this victim is still alive and she has presented more evidence in 2019 and still the corrupt Vic police are sitting on it.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... rriff.html

I have been following the Kathy Sherriff/Bill Shorten allegation for a few years now and with all the evidence still no prosecution.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/0 ... nst-b.html

Also a great article from Andrew Bolt The Herald Sun.

"Rape Claims
Billl Shorten was protected
Why not this Minister too"

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andr ... a325301ff3

For me once again this highlights the hypocrisy and double standards of politicians and the media. :(


There's no double standard - the case above was investigated [b]twice by Vic Pol.



Ok right like i said i have followed this story since it came out years ago.

As i can recall when Kathy Sherriff first reported this alledged incident she provided witnesses names etc however the police investigators at the time after a few months or so advised that they could not find/locate these witnesses.

So it was either ineptitude a cover up or just plain corruption as you know Vic Police has a long history of corruption.

Finally after searching Kathy finds most of these witnesses and 2019 provides names etc once again asks Vic Pol to re open the case and supposedly investigate.

Heaps of reports about this case over the years been on current affairs programs etc.

https://www.theunshackled.net/australia ... re-emerge/

https://www.theunshackled.net/australia ... re-emerge/

So Q my question to you and everyone else on here is say that was your mom sister wife daughter who years later came out and made such an allegation would you believe your close family member and steadfastly support her or would you just go along and believe the corrupt Vic Police.

Rape is Rape it does not matter what side of the political fence you sit on its not about scoring cheap political points against each other.

There must be justice and resolution for victims.

My other question to all is Bill Shortens name has been ruined and tarnished for ever by this allegation.

So why has Bill Shorten not sued Kathy Sherriff for defamation etc

To this day Kathy Sherriff is still resolute and fighting for justice.


If, as you say, there is new evidence, then Vic Pol should investigate for a third time. You deciding Vic Pol were corrupt is not evidence.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:40 pm

Dinglinga75 wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
Dinglinga75 wrote:
NSW police to continue this investigation as they have proven incompetent with investigating Morrisons mentor Brian Houston, over 18 months of investigating and nothing.

NSW police have already decided there is insufficient evidence and closed the case.


Any irony the NSW Police Commissioner is also a member of Hillsong and a close friend of ScoMo ..


There is no conspiracy theory here, simply it is extremely difficult for the police to prosecute a rape case when there is no victim statement or testimony because the victim is dead.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:20 pm

Dinglinga75 wrote:Yes ., former neighbour, Hillsong Member .....
But lets face it ... NSW have NEVER had corrupt police officers


Former neighbour - Yes (but that doesn't make him a close friend. I bring in my neighbour's bins sometimes but they're not close friends or even been inside my house)

Where's the proof Fuller is a Hillsong member?

And let's face it: that assertion means SFA, and BTW; show me one Police force that's never had a corrupt officer.
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