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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:37 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
RB wrote:
Booney wrote:Instead of trying to facilitate higher scoring and coaches out smarting the rules simply incentivise scoring. Bonus point for 120 points, whatever that may be.


I think Daisy's actually advocated for a bonus point system in the past.

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Re: AFL 2021

Postby mots02 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:38 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
RB wrote:
Booney wrote:Instead of trying to facilitate higher scoring and coaches out smarting the rules simply incentivise scoring. Bonus point for 120 points, whatever that may be.


I think Daisy's actually advocated for a bonus point system in the past.

Great minds...

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Re: AFL 2021

Postby UK Fan » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:23 am

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Dutchy wrote:The rules are actually a good change, not being able to move laterally will quicken the game up a lot, it will encourage the inside corridor kick and attacking play plus hopefully reduce the down the line bomb to a pack.


Every f*cking rule introduced every f*cking year is designed to quicken the game up, encourage attacking play, increase scoring and it's done f*ck all to helping any of that.

666, not kicking to yourself from full back to play on, protected zone, third man up etc etc et f*cking c.

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Instead of trying to facilitate higher scoring and coaches out smarting the rules simply incentivise scoring. Bonus point for 120 points, whatever that may be.



Have said that for years. Unless the coaches have an incentive to score more nothing will change.

The Percentage system rewards lower scoring.

Power beat Bombers 110 to 90

Freo beat Dees 70 to 50.

Who gets the higher %.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Dutchy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:26 am

If you like the current game of team bombing the ball down the line or kicking the ball into the pocket when attacking then you will be disappointed with the new rules, if you want attacking footy with clubs taking the game on then the lateral rule will definitely help the game.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:34 am

Dutchy wrote:If you like the current game of team bombing the ball down the line or kicking the ball into the pocket when attacking then you will be disappointed with the new rules, if you want attacking footy with clubs taking the game on then the lateral rule will definitely help the game.


Isn't that what they said about all the other rules they've implemented?

The biggest blight on attacking footy is numbers behind the ball, once upon a time forwards stayed forward, half forwards ventured all the way up to the wing and there was room to move. The only way to stop that would be to implement a half way line and I don't want to see that, just another rule they think might work.

And do you think coaching groups aren't already working on plans to address that movement?

Anyway, as long as Richmond keep playing scramble forward rugby the game will look shit, luckily their time is coming to an end and Port, Brisbane and Geelong are playing far more attractive footy.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:38 am

Booney wrote:
Dutchy wrote:If you like the current game of team bombing the ball down the line or kicking the ball into the pocket when attacking then you will be disappointed with the new rules, if you want attacking footy with clubs taking the game on then the lateral rule will definitely help the game.


Isn't that what they said about all the other rules they've implemented?

The biggest blight on attacking footy is numbers behind the ball, once upon a time forwards stayed forward, half forwards ventured all the way up to the wing and there was room to move. The only way to stop that would be to implement a half way line and I don't want to see that, just another rule they think might work.

And do you think coaching groups aren't already working on plans to address that movement?

Anyway, as long as Richmond keep playing scramble forward rugby the game will look shit, luckily their time is coming to an end and Port, Brisbane and Geelong are playing far more attractive footy.


Really? I thought their precision and our inability to hit a target by foot or hand was the difference in the prelim last season, we should've won, just lacked polish.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Dutchy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:42 am

I haven't agreed with the other rules, having coached with the 6/6/6 rule it is very easy to overcome.

Agree coaches will look at ways to defend these new rules, but some will also look how to exploit them. e.g. the inside handball from a mark/free kick will be much harder to defend. I can see it encouraging teams to play quickly.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:52 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Booney wrote:
Dutchy wrote:If you like the current game of team bombing the ball down the line or kicking the ball into the pocket when attacking then you will be disappointed with the new rules, if you want attacking footy with clubs taking the game on then the lateral rule will definitely help the game.


Isn't that what they said about all the other rules they've implemented?

The biggest blight on attacking footy is numbers behind the ball, once upon a time forwards stayed forward, half forwards ventured all the way up to the wing and there was room to move. The only way to stop that would be to implement a half way line and I don't want to see that, just another rule they think might work.

And do you think coaching groups aren't already working on plans to address that movement?

Anyway, as long as Richmond keep playing scramble forward rugby the game will look shit, luckily their time is coming to an end and Port, Brisbane and Geelong are playing far more attractive footy.


Really? I thought their precision and our inability to hit a target by foot or hand was the difference in the prelim last season, we should've won, just lacked polish.


That's the pressure they apply, in the main they move the ball forward at any costs or in any manner and it's very successful but it's not pretty to watch.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:29 pm

Not sure where to stick this but I had the pleasure of listening to the AFL Boundary Umpire Coach "Darren Wilson" guest speak at an umpires seminar last night.

His journey was pretty amazing as was the fact he boundary umpired 12 AFL Grand Finals in succession, the first few using only two boundary umpires, with a 3 boundary umpire system they used to run around 22kms per game, most of it was "hard running" too.

As a basic requirement an AFL boundary umpire must run 5kms in under 18.15 minutes (most do closer to 15 mins), they work on an 18-22 metre ball drop when throwing it in, if the ruckmen choose to start their run further away, it's their problem.

Sorry if no one cares, just thought I'd share.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:38 pm

Always good to hear from elite sports people mate.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby tigerpie » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:46 pm

Personally I don't mind a 10 goal to 9 tough game of footy.
I want to see blokes execute good skills under pressure.
Not uncontested end to end basketball fest.

You're all buying into the afl wanting more ad revenue.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby MW » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:56 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Not sure where to stick this but I had the pleasure of listening to the AFL Boundary Umpire Coach "Darren Wilson" guest speak at an umpires seminar last night.

His journey was pretty amazing as was the fact he boundary umpired 12 AFL Grand Finals in succession, the first few using only two boundary umpires, with a 3 boundary umpire system they used to run around 22kms per game, most of it was "hard running" too.

As a basic requirement an AFL boundary umpire must run 5kms in under 18.15 minutes (most do closer to 15 mins),
they work on an 18-22 metre ball drop when throwing it in, if the ruckmen choose to start their run further away, it's their problem.

Sorry if no one cares, just thought I'd share.


Being an avid runner, about 5 years ago I entertained the thought and this criteria put an end to that quick smart. My quickest 5km is flat 20 and I thought I was doing well!
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Booney » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:04 pm

MW wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Not sure where to stick this but I had the pleasure of listening to the AFL Boundary Umpire Coach "Darren Wilson" guest speak at an umpires seminar last night.

His journey was pretty amazing as was the fact he boundary umpired 12 AFL Grand Finals in succession, the first few using only two boundary umpires, with a 3 boundary umpire system they used to run around 22kms per game, most of it was "hard running" too.

As a basic requirement an AFL boundary umpire must run 5kms in under 18.15 minutes (most do closer to 15 mins),
they work on an 18-22 metre ball drop when throwing it in, if the ruckmen choose to start their run further away, it's their problem.

Sorry if no one cares, just thought I'd share.


Being an avid runner, about 5 years ago I entertained the thought and this criteria put an end to that quick smart. My quickest 5km is flat 20 and I thought I was doing well!


Just asked my boss whose kids do a lot of running, triathlon etc, his 16 year old son has done a 18:55 5k so when I told him that's close to what would be AFL standard boundary umpiring he got all puffy chested.

Then I said to him he'll need to do that every half hour for 2 hours.

Oh.

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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:07 pm

Booney wrote:
Just asked my boss whose kids do a lot of running, triathlon etc, his 16 year old son has done a 18:55 5k so when I told him that's close to what would be AFL standard boundary umpiring he got all puffy chested.

Then I said to him he'll need to do that every half hour for 2 hours.

Oh.

:lol:


:lol: :lol:

Then after that he only has to be able to lob the ball in to land 18+ metres for a solid 2 hours in between sprints.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:09 pm

MW wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Not sure where to stick this but I had the pleasure of listening to the AFL Boundary Umpire Coach "Darren Wilson" guest speak at an umpires seminar last night.

His journey was pretty amazing as was the fact he boundary umpired 12 AFL Grand Finals in succession, the first few using only two boundary umpires, with a 3 boundary umpire system they used to run around 22kms per game, most of it was "hard running" too.

As a basic requirement an AFL boundary umpire must run 5kms in under 18.15 minutes (most do closer to 15 mins),
they work on an 18-22 metre ball drop when throwing it in, if the ruckmen choose to start their run further away, it's their problem.

Sorry if no one cares, just thought I'd share.


Being an avid runner, about 5 years ago I entertained the thought and this criteria put an end to that quick smart. My quickest 5km is flat 20 and I thought I was doing well!


That's still a pretty decent time mate, you're no spring chicken either hey?
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:19 pm

Booney wrote:
Anyway, as long as Richmond keep playing scramble forward rugby the game will look shit, luckily their time is coming to an end and Port, Brisbane and Geelong are playing far more attractive footy.


I've heard a few time now that their time is coming to an end and that is wishful thinking. As long as they have Dusty they will remain a force. The defence is automated, they have two big marking forwards and don't even need a decent ruckman to win three premierships. Port and Geelong have beaten them when they've had injured blokes and Brisbane has beaten once in what, a dozen years? Agree about Richmond Union but unfortunately it's still the most successful game in town.

Seeing as I'm so consistently wrong I can't possibly put on a better mocker than this. It's up to you now boys!

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Re: AFL 2021

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:22 pm

Richmond scrum is similar to Crows in the early 00s

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Re: AFL 2021

Postby MW » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:27 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
MW wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Not sure where to stick this but I had the pleasure of listening to the AFL Boundary Umpire Coach "Darren Wilson" guest speak at an umpires seminar last night.

His journey was pretty amazing as was the fact he boundary umpired 12 AFL Grand Finals in succession, the first few using only two boundary umpires, with a 3 boundary umpire system they used to run around 22kms per game, most of it was "hard running" too.

As a basic requirement an AFL boundary umpire must run 5kms in under 18.15 minutes (most do closer to 15 mins),
they work on an 18-22 metre ball drop when throwing it in, if the ruckmen choose to start their run further away, it's their problem.

Sorry if no one cares, just thought I'd share.


Being an avid runner, about 5 years ago I entertained the thought and this criteria put an end to that quick smart. My quickest 5km is flat 20 and I thought I was doing well!


That's still a pretty decent time mate, you're no spring chicken either hey?


45 yrs old.
Mind you I havent been close to that time since about 42...
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:34 pm

MW wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
MW wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Not sure where to stick this but I had the pleasure of listening to the AFL Boundary Umpire Coach "Darren Wilson" guest speak at an umpires seminar last night.

His journey was pretty amazing as was the fact he boundary umpired 12 AFL Grand Finals in succession, the first few using only two boundary umpires, with a 3 boundary umpire system they used to run around 22kms per game, most of it was "hard running" too.

As a basic requirement an AFL boundary umpire must run 5kms in under 18.15 minutes (most do closer to 15 mins),
they work on an 18-22 metre ball drop when throwing it in, if the ruckmen choose to start their run further away, it's their problem.

Sorry if no one cares, just thought I'd share.


Being an avid runner, about 5 years ago I entertained the thought and this criteria put an end to that quick smart. My quickest 5km is flat 20 and I thought I was doing well!


That's still a pretty decent time mate, you're no spring chicken either hey?


45 yrs old.
Mind you I havent been close to that time since about 42...


Still, I'm aiming at 7km under 40 mins LOL.
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Re: AFL 2021

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:37 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Booney wrote:
Anyway, as long as Richmond keep playing scramble forward rugby the game will look shit, luckily their time is coming to an end and Port, Brisbane and Geelong are playing far more attractive footy.


I've heard a few time now that their time is coming to an end and that is wishful thinking. As long as they have Dusty they will remain a force. The defence is automated, they have two big marking forwards and don't even need a decent ruckman to win three premierships. Port and Geelong have beaten them when they've had injured blokes and Brisbane has beaten once in what, a dozen years? Agree about Richmond Union but unfortunately it's still the most successful game in town.

Seeing as I'm so consistently wrong I can't possibly put on a better mocker than this. It's up to you now boys!

regards,

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They're making a mockery of the free agency as players will go there for less for the chance of playing in a premiership team.
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