by Booney » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:30 pm
by Magellan » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:41 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:42 pm
Magellan wrote:Great post.
by Magellan » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:47 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:Magellan wrote:Great post.
by Magellan » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:04 pm
Booney wrote:Sports evolve, they always have and always will but what will cricket of the future, at all levels, look like?
by Minimum Chips » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:14 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:50 pm
Magellan wrote:Booney wrote:Sports evolve, they always have and always will but what will cricket of the future, at all levels, look like?
To make an aligned yet non-cricketing point (or rant), the 'evolution' of sport is a phrase too easily thrown around to justify changes or reasons to resist addressing things that require reform. The word 'evolution' suggest a degree of refinement or improvement, like in Darwin's theory.
The pro-defensive changes in AFL footy (and Aussie rules, in general) that have incrementally occurred through coaching innovations over the last couple of decades is often justified in these terms. However, on no rational basis could you say that a fast, attacking, free-flowing game without an offside rule as it had developed up to the mid-to-late 1990s has gotten any better since. Apparently, full-forwards kicking 50-odd goals in 22 games or half-time scores that resemble a soccer match is evidence of 'evolution'.
I'd say T20 has promoted an approach to cricket where the advantage is weighed so heavily in favour of the batsman (e.g. permitting reverse/switch hitting, which I think is bullshit) that I don't know why you'd ever aspire to be a bowler in that format. Footy, of course, has gone in the opposite direction, favoring defense over attack.
by The Bedge » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:06 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:Cricket is dying in the community, kids numbers are down, senior numbers are down, the standard is far inferior to what it once was, the game needed to evolve to attract a new audience and new participation levels, about the only facet that has not gone south is the participation levels of women/girls, pretty much same as football.
Looking at the B Grade district comp it looks as though I'd still go alright, 20+ years ago there were bowlers with genuine pace getting around in the C Grade and competition for spots were difficult, now it's a far cry from what it used to be.
As for community cricket, the PDCA for instance has fallen tenfold, Grade 1 is still a decent standard but seeing some of the names getting around in
Grade 2 is concerning, a lot of these guys are my age and were Grade 5 players at best 10 years ago, 15 years ago Grade 5 and 6 were very competitive and made up of mostly B Grade teams.
People don't have the time nowadays to spend 80 overs on an oval, the quick game is attractive to watch for the non-traditional cricket enthusiast, it is exciting, the game has come a long way and the test match still has it's place in the game, 15 years ago no one would've thought of diving over the line to tap the ball back to a team mate for him to catch.
Everything is sanitized now, football, cricket, pretty much life in general.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by whufc » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:30 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:Magellan wrote:Booney wrote:Sports evolve, they always have and always will but what will cricket of the future, at all levels, look like?
To make an aligned yet non-cricketing point (or rant), the 'evolution' of sport is a phrase too easily thrown around to justify changes or reasons to resist addressing things that require reform. The word 'evolution' suggest a degree of refinement or improvement, like in Darwin's theory.
The pro-defensive changes in AFL footy (and Aussie rules, in general) that have incrementally occurred through coaching innovations over the last couple of decades is often justified in these terms. However, on no rational basis could you say that a fast, attacking, free-flowing game without an offside rule as it had developed up to the mid-to-late 1990s has gotten any better since. Apparently, full-forwards kicking 50-odd goals in 22 games or half-time scores that resemble a soccer match is evidence of 'evolution'.
I'd say T20 has promoted an approach to cricket where the advantage is weighed so heavily in favour of the batsman (e.g. permitting reverse/switch hitting, which I think is bullshit) that I don't know why you'd ever aspire to be a bowler in that format. Footy, of course, has gone in the opposite direction, favoring defense over attack.
Cricket is dying in the community, kids numbers are down, senior numbers are down, the standard is far inferior to what it once was, the game needed to evolve to attract a new audience and new participation levels, about the only facet that has not gone south is the participation levels of women/girls, pretty much same as football.
Looking at the B Grade district comp it looks as though I'd still go alright, 20+ years ago there were bowlers with genuine pace getting around in the C Grade and competition for spots were difficult, now it's a far cry from what it used to be.
As for community cricket, the PDCA for instance has fallen tenfold, Grade 1 is still a decent standard but seeing some of the names getting around in
Grade 2 is concerning, a lot of these guys are my age and were Grade 5 players at best 10 years ago, 15 years ago Grade 5 and 6 were very competitive and made up of mostly B Grade teams.
People don't have the time nowadays to spend 80 overs on an oval, the quick game is attractive to watch for the non-traditional cricket enthusiast, it is exciting, the game has come a long way and the test match still has it's place in the game, 15 years ago no one would've thought of diving over the line to tap the ball back to a team mate for him to catch.
Everything is sanitized now, football, cricket, pretty much life in general.
by The Bedge » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:34 pm
whufc wrote:I feel for cricket to grow we really need that divide in seasons but how could you ever convince football clubs on this.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by whufc » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:35 pm
The Bedge wrote:whufc wrote:I feel for cricket to grow we really need that divide in seasons but how could you ever convince football clubs on this.
Yes.
Smaller divisions (both footy and cricket), create reduced minor round length, and have a decent gap before/after each season.
Finish cricket in late Feb, start footy in late April.. have footy wrapped up by Mid August, start cricket again mid Oct.
by Corona Man » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:39 pm
by Booney » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:14 pm
by Trader » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:26 pm
Booney wrote:The basics are no longer as sound across the board and as such the standard in general has dropped particularly in the younger players?
Exactly what we grumpy old bastards feared would happen years ago.
by Lightning McQueen » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:40 pm
Trader wrote:Booney wrote:The basics are no longer as sound across the board and as such the standard in general has dropped particularly in the younger players?
Exactly what we grumpy old bastards feared would happen years ago.
Yes, but not all of the decline is as a result of T20.
Society as a whole has moved away from what it took to be a good cricketer when we were growing up vs the kids of today.
A 3 hour movie is now a 7 second instagram reel or snapchat.
A 5,000 word essay is now a 4 minute oral presentation.
when kids used to be dedicated, train hard and wait for their turn, now they just spit the chewy and change clubs on the promise of A-grade games.
by Magellan » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:41 pm
Trader wrote:A 3 hour movie is now a 7 second instagram reel or snapchat.
by Trader » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:55 pm
Magellan wrote:Trader wrote:A 3 hour movie is now a 7 second instagram reel or snapchat.
Just as an aside, movies etc are an interesting analogy that IMO buck the short attention span trend in that feature-length films are now being replaced by Netflix series comprising multiple seasons and episodes.
by Booney » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:00 pm
by whufc » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:02 pm
Booney wrote:From the educated posts above (I've been out of grass roots cricket for around 10 years) is it fair to say :
The basics are no longer as sound across the board and as such the standard in general has dropped particularly in the younger players?
Exactly what we grumpy old bastards feared would happen years ago.
by Trader » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:20 pm
Booney wrote:Whilst somewhat of an analogy ( Netflix series discussion ) it's not the point.
Just because people have the desire to watch 12 x 40 minute episodes ahead of a 90 minutes feature film doesn't mean people have lost the ability to make the 90 minute feature. The basics, the fundamentals, are still there.
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