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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:19 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:No Smith, Warner, Hazlewood, Cummins and to a lesser extent Bancroft really shows how thin our depth is but at the same time there's some bewildering selections IMO.

Previously there's been many discussions on here about Khawaja's and Head's trouble against spin so will be interesting to see if they have both made adjustments to fix it.

Good to see Labuschage selected, seemed to always be amongst the runs in the SS last season, a young and upcoming talent who deserves his selection. I rate Jon Holland, always seems to take wickets and I am surprised he's been reselected given he has spoken out about selection in the past and is not afraid to do so.

Hopefully we can continue see Renshaw flourish in the baggy green, he was good in India and will face similar conditions in the UAE. His Queensland opening partner in Joe Burns is unlucky perhaps, along with Peter Handscomb. I'm very surprised he's not in the squad as I thought the selctors rated him highly. Say what you about him like Glenn Maxwell is another who is very unlucky I feel, looks like they're going for Head over Maxwell in test cricket aswell as ODI cricket.

Finch is an interesting one, I love him as a white ball cricketer, he'd have to be the best one day batsman in the country but he's never established himself as a red ball cricketer and his record is dead set mediocre. Obviously they think his large amount of international experience is a huge benefit and will hold him in good stead to play test cricket.

Siddle back is a surprise but they've always liked his consistency, I don't mind his selection. I haven't seen much of Doggett but he must be doing something right to be selected over Jyhe Richardson and Chris Tremain.

Michael Neser seems like nothing more than a honest toiler so his selection is bewildering. I still don't know if I rate Aston Agar.

Will be an interesting series as to how this different looking side/squad will perform.


Cant argue with any of that.
As ive said before Neser wouldnt get half of SA Footy out.
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:24 pm

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The Dark Knight wrote:No Smith, Warner, Hazlewood, Cummins and to a lesser extent Bancroft really shows how thin our depth is but at the same time there's some bewildering selections IMO.

Previously there's been many discussions on here about Khawaja's and Head's trouble against spin so will be interesting to see if they have both made adjustments to fix it.

Good to see Labuschage selected, seemed to always be amongst the runs in the SS last season, a young and upcoming talent who deserves his selection. I rate Jon Holland, always seems to take wickets and I am surprised he's been reselected given he has spoken out about selection in the past and is not afraid to do so.

Hopefully we can continue see Renshaw flourish in the baggy green, he was good in India and will face similar conditions in the UAE. His Queensland opening partner in Joe Burns is unlucky perhaps, along with Peter Handscomb. I'm very surprised he's not in the squad as I thought the selctors rated him highly. Say what you about him like Glenn Maxwell is another who is very unlucky I feel, looks like they're going for Head over Maxwell in test cricket aswell as ODI cricket.

Finch is an interesting one, I love him as a white ball cricketer, he'd have to be the best one day batsman in the country but he's never established himself as a red ball cricketer and his record is dead set mediocre. Obviously they think his large amount of international experience is a huge benefit and will hold him in good stead to play test cricket.

Siddle back is a surprise but they've always liked his consistency, I don't mind his selection. I haven't seen much of Doggett but he must be doing something right to be selected over Jyhe Richardson and Chris Tremain.

Michael Neser seems like nothing more than a honest toiler so his selection is bewildering. I still don't know if I rate Aston Agar.

Will be an interesting series as to how this different looking side/squad will perform.


Cant argue with any of that.
As ive said before Neser wouldnt get half of SA Footy out.
I wouldn't say Neser is terrible, he's ok but god there's definitely other guys around who would be more suitable for test selection. He's done well to play regular Shield cricket for Queensland the last couple of seasons, was only really a one day cricketer.
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:38 pm

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/austral ... 2018-09-11

Glenn Maxwell is a surprise omission from Australia's Test squad for their upcoming series against Pakistan, while veterans Aaron Finch and Peter Siddle have been picked alongside a trio of uncapped Queenslanders.

Bulls batsman Marnus Labuschagne and fast bowlers Michael Neser and Brendan Doggett have all been selected for the first time, as has South Australia captain Travis Head. If Doggett makes his debut in the UAE, he will become just the third Indigenous player after Faith Thomas and Jason Gillespie to win a Baggy Green cap.

But the biggest shock in the squad came in the form of the non-selection of Maxwell, who averaged more than 50 last JLT Sheffield Shield season and was part of a re-jigged squad for Australia's most recent Test, in Johannesburg in March.

Queenslander Joe Burns and Victorian Peter Handscomb, who were both in the XI for the Johannesburg Test, have also been dropped.

"Joe, Peter and Glenn were players we discussed when selecting the batting group, but we had to take into account the conditions and competition we are set to face in the upcoming series," selector Trevor Hohns said in a statement.

"All three remain on our radar for Test cricket, but we want them to perform for their states and continue to push their case ahead of what is going to be a big Australian summer."

Maxwell was left out of the current Australia A tour of India and while he was given no guarantees that he would be picked for the Pakistan series, he took that omission as a positive sign.
"I've been to India 16 or 17 times now, it's not a place where they (Australia's selectors) need to see me play," Maxwell said in July.

"They've seen me play over there enough. I had a bit of success in the Test series last year, it's not hugely foreign to me.
"I haven't been given any indication (of a guaranteed spot in the touring party) but there has been a lot of positive reinforcement that I didn't need to go on that Aussie A tour.

"Even though there weren’t any specific words, I did feel confident walking away that, alright they're giving me an opportunity to prepare for that Test tour." 

Finch, a mainstay of Australia's limited-overs sides, has been named in a Test squad for the first time while pace veteran Siddle returns having not played a Test in almost two years.

"Aaron is in sensational form, and this is the right time to give him a chance to play Test cricket," Hohns said.

"He has performed well in the Sheffield Shield in recent seasons, and brings added experience and leadership to this group.

"Peter is a proven performer in the Test arena, who has been in outstanding form in his recent first-class outings over in England. His experience will be crucial for this bowling group, and we know that he is a warrior who can bowl the type of long, tight spells which may be required in the conditions we expect to face."

Siddle is one of four quicks in the squad alongside spearhead Mitchell Starc and uncapped Bulls Neser and Doggett, who were a key part of Queensland's Shield triumph last summer.

Uncapped WA speedster Jhye Richardson, who was part of the Test squad in South Africa, has been overlooked.

"Michael is a strong all-round cricketer - he bowls and bats well, and is a mature player coming off a fantastic Sheffield Shield season for Queensland," Hohns said.

"He has impressed us with his performances for Australia A and in his white-ball opportunities for Australia.

"Brendan is an exciting prospect, a fast bowler with raw pace and wicket-taking ability. He provides an additional option to Mitchell Starc if extra pace is called for, and this is an ideal opportunity to get him involved in a national set-up for the first time after his recent showings for Queensland and Australia A.

"Jhye is a player who has a bright future in all formats, and has been impressive in his international opportunities to date. He is one of a number of developing bowlers adding to the depth of our fast bowling group, and we see him potentially having an important role to play in the shorter formats of the game in the immediate future."

The axing of Maxwell means there will be likely be at least two debutants in the top six for the first Test; Finch looms as a possible opening partner for Matthew Renshaw, while Head and Labuschagne will likely battle it out for a spot in the middle order.

"Travis has improved his game immensely over the past 12 months, and is the type of player we want in this environment," Hohns said.

"He’s a hard worker who has performed well with the bat in his recent four-day opportunities for Australia A and South Australia.

"Marnus is a young player with plenty of potential and a great work ethic. He has performed well in the Sheffield Shield, has shown he’s a good player of spin for Australia A in India, and is an elite fielder who offers added variety with the ball as a leg-spin option."

Tim Paine's new Test vice-captain will be announced ahead of the series.

The first of two Tests begins in Dubai on October 7 before the second Test in Abu Dhabi starts on October 16.
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:38 am

The Dark Knight wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
The Bedge wrote:1. Usman Khawaja
2. Matt Renshaw
3. Shaun Marsh
4. Travis Head
5. Mitch Marsh
6. Marnus Labuschagne
7. Tim Paine (w/k) (c)
8. Mitch Starc
9. Brendan Doggett
10. Peter Siddle
11. Nathan Lyon

That's my guess? Although may be too many lefties, and they'll opt for Finch over Head. Also may consider two spinners in Holland & Lyon but that's unlikely given the depth with batting/bowling isn't great.

Potentially may play Agar as a specialist bat too?


Worse side I’ve seen since the mid 80’s when Border was captain.
Mitch Starc the only genuine Test player there.

Oh and Gary.......

Oh and Gary?
Don't understate Lyon when naming genuine test players. He is a world class bowler, we are very lucky he's turned out to be as good as he is.



Gary Lyon ;)

He’s one of the first picked in my side each time.
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:45 am

daysofourlives wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:No Smith, Warner, Hazlewood, Cummins and to a lesser extent Bancroft really shows how thin our depth is but at the same time there's some bewildering selections IMO.

Previously there's been many discussions on here about Khawaja's and Head's trouble against spin so will be interesting to see if they have both made adjustments to fix it.

Good to see Labuschage selected, seemed to always be amongst the runs in the SS last season, a young and upcoming talent who deserves his selection. I rate Jon Holland, always seems to take wickets and I am surprised he's been reselected given he has spoken out about selection in the past and is not afraid to do so.

Hopefully we can continue see Renshaw flourish in the baggy green, he was good in India and will face similar conditions in the UAE. His Queensland opening partner in Joe Burns is unlucky perhaps, along with Peter Handscomb. I'm very surprised he's not in the squad as I thought the selctors rated him highly. Say what you about him like Glenn Maxwell is another who is very unlucky I feel, looks like they're going for Head over Maxwell in test cricket aswell as ODI cricket.

Finch is an interesting one, I love him as a white ball cricketer, he'd have to be the best one day batsman in the country but he's never established himself as a red ball cricketer and his record is dead set mediocre. Obviously they think his large amount of international experience is a huge benefit and will hold him in good stead to play test cricket.

Siddle back is a surprise but they've always liked his consistency, I don't mind his selection. I haven't seen much of Doggett but he must be doing something right to be selected over Jyhe Richardson and Chris Tremain.

Michael Neser seems like nothing more than a honest toiler so his selection is bewildering. I still don't know if I rate Aston Agar.

Will be an interesting series as to how this different looking side/squad will perform.


Cant argue with any of that.
As ive said before Neser wouldnt get half of SA Footy out.


Surely anyone of the 3 SA bowlers gets a look in before Nesers?
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2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Jim05 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:42 am

Thought Langer is pretty spot on in regards to Maxwell. Langer has stated that he simply doesn’t make enough hundreds in any form or grade he plays. He needs to start turning the 60’s and 70’s into hundreds
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Brodlach » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:21 am

Handscomb’s form for Australia A was terrible, don’t thin he even got into double figures
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby bennymacca » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:59 am

Jim05 wrote:Thought Langer is pretty spot on in regards to Maxwell. Langer has stated that he simply doesn’t make enough hundreds in any form or grade he plays. He needs to start turning the 60’s and 70’s into hundreds


Whilst that may be true - it is also the same knock on Travis Head
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Jim05 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:03 am

bennymacca wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Thought Langer is pretty spot on in regards to Maxwell. Langer has stated that he simply doesn’t make enough hundreds in any form or grade he plays. He needs to start turning the 60’s and 70’s into hundreds


Whilst that may be true - it is also the same knock on Travis Head

Across all forms and grades Trav actually has more centuries than Maxwell
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Trader » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:11 am

I recon when we are 6/130 we would have happily taken a 60-70 from anyone.

I would have played Maxwell but it just show's how bad a bloke he must be.

I recon there is a good chance they'll load up on allrounders to try and cover the lack of batting.

1 Matt Renshaw
2 Usman Khawaja
3 Travis Head
4 Shaun Marsh
5 Aaron Finch
6 Mitch Marsh
7 Tim Paine
8 Ashton Agar
9 Mitch Starc
10 Peter Siddle
11 Nathan Lyon

12 Jon Holland
13 Marnus Labuschagne
14 Brendan Doggett
15 Michael Neser
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby bennymacca » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:38 am

Jim05 wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Thought Langer is pretty spot on in regards to Maxwell. Langer has stated that he simply doesn’t make enough hundreds in any form or grade he plays. He needs to start turning the 60’s and 70’s into hundreds


Whilst that may be true - it is also the same knock on Travis Head

Across all forms and grades Trav actually has more centuries than Maxwell


Fair enough. He is also younger and has shown a better temperament. Hopefully it just “clicks” for him and he scores bulk runs
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:40 am

Does Finch even have a Shield ton?
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby bennymacca » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:40 am

Trader wrote:
1 Matt Renshaw
2 Usman Khawaja
3 Travis Head
4 Shaun Marsh
5 Aaron Finch
6 Mitch Marsh
7 Tim Paine
8 Ashton Agar
9 Mitch Starc
10 Peter Siddle
11 Nathan Lyon

12 Jon Holland
13 Marnus Labuschagne
14 Brendan Doggett
15 Michael Neser


Think this team looks about right (well in terms of the squad at least!!)

I’d probably have finch or Smarsh opening though and push khawaja and head down
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby Trader » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:44 am

I wanted Khawaja and Head lower as well, but then they both struggle against spin so much so I thought perhaps it was better to get them in while there might be a seam up bowler on.

Anyone know much about Marnus? Some people say he's an up and coming gun, others point to the fact he averaged in the 30s last shield season.
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:51 am

Trader wrote:Anyone know much about Marnus? Some people say he's an up and coming gun, others point to the fact he averaged in the 30s last shield season.

Second in the runs last season with an average of 39.75.Image
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:53 am

amber_fluid wrote:Does Finch even have a Shield ton?

Made 151 not out last season.
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby The Bedge » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:56 am

Khawaja has performed well opening in the Aus A tour of India, and Head was leading run scorer batting at 3, although i'd probably prefer him down the order.

Would like to see Labuschagne in there, and Holland over Agar - but i'm guessing Agar's batting will get him the nod.

Agar took 3 wickets vs India A whilst Holland took 9
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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:59 am

The Dark Knight wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:Does Finch even have a Shield ton?

Made 151 not out last season.


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Re: 2018/19 Australian Summer of cricket

Postby northerner » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:30 pm

RB wrote:
northerner wrote:Head maybe closer than we think to a game in what may well be a Top Six made up of a whole heap of Ray Bradbury clones.

Ray Bradbury or Steven Bradbury?

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