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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Magellan » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:34 pm

Getting away from the whinge for a tick, IIRC Hodges started out in the Port league side as a reasonably average half back flanker under Ebert's last year. Does anyone know what prompted him to get the chance to play at full-forward? Stroke of genius by Cahill (or whoever it may've been) to give him the opportunity.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby UK Fan » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:20 pm

I was a massive Scott Hodges fan even as an opposition supporter. What a footballer he was.

He put doggies dynasty back 5 years.

Massive respect.

As for his AFL career he was in the top 10 for players to reach 100 afl goals in the least amount of games. But that was a few years ago so that stat may not be current.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby GWW » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:36 pm

Magellan wrote:Getting away from the whinge for a tick, IIRC Hodges started out in the Port league side as a reasonably average half back flanker under Ebert's last year. Does anyone know what prompted him to get the chance to play at full-forward? Stroke of genius by Cahill (or whoever it may've been) to give him the opportunity.


From memory, in his first year or 2 under Cahill he played on a forward flank, with D Smith full forward, whilst Greg Phillips and Martin Leslie were experimented with at CHF.

When Cahill came back, in 88, he played Phillips at CHB, with Abernethy and Leslie on the back flanks. D Smith went went to CHF, and Hodges went to FF.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby whufc » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:06 pm

Booney wrote:And there's ******* whinging in here. :roll:

**** off to the 576 other threads and sulk in there.


In fairness Hodges brings it up himself and says he has struggled a bit with the Port Power concept
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby MW » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:08 pm

Without reading the book it seems Tilt struggled with coping with a lot of things with his mental health issues
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby whufc » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:12 pm

MW wrote:Without reading the book it seems Tilt struggled with coping with a lot of things with his mental health issues


Yeah can definitely understand how the Magpies to Crows transition would have been a huge mental battle
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby UK Fan » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:54 am

whufc wrote:
Booney wrote:And there's ******* whinging in here. :roll:

**** off to the 576 other threads and sulk in there.


In fairness Hodges brings it up himself and says he has struggled a bit with the Port Power concept



He supports Collingwood and port magpies.

Hodges is the opposite to Morell.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby therisingblues » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:03 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
Booney wrote:And there's ******* whinging in here. :roll:

**** off to the 576 other threads and sulk in there.


Just coz you don't agree with him doesn't mean he's whinging.
But there are other threads to DISCUSS it.

I think some people don't want to remember what it is to be a true Magpie. Perhaps tarnishes the myth that everything is just so rosy now?
My understanding of how Hodges feels about the whole Power thing would suggest to me that it definitely is worth remembering in this, a thread about him.
But I agree with Amber, it would probably be better if you DISCUSSED it elsewhere Booney.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Booney » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:00 am

therisingblues wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Booney wrote:And there's ******* whinging in here. :roll:

**** off to the 576 other threads and sulk in there.


Just coz you don't agree with him doesn't mean he's whinging.
But there are other threads to DISCUSS it.

I think some people don't want to remember what it is to be a true Magpie. Perhaps tarnishes the myth that everything is just so rosy now?
My understanding of how Hodges feels about the whole Power thing would suggest to me that it definitely is worth remembering in this, a thread about him.
But I agree with Amber, it would probably be better if you DISCUSSED it elsewhere Booney.


If I discussed it elsewhere? :lol:

I'm disappointed a thread about Hodges, his bravery to come out with his issues and the chance to celebrate a player and person of his calibre has been tainted by another sulk.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Magellan » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:05 am

GWW wrote:
Magellan wrote:Getting away from the whinge for a tick, IIRC Hodges started out in the Port league side as a reasonably average half back flanker under Ebert's last year. Does anyone know what prompted him to get the chance to play at full-forward? Stroke of genius by Cahill (or whoever it may've been) to give him the opportunity.


From memory, in his first year or 2 under Cahill he played on a forward flank, with D Smith full forward, whilst Greg Phillips and Martin Leslie were experimented with at CHF.

When Cahill came back, in 88, he played Phillips at CHB, with Abernethy and Leslie on the back flanks. D Smith went went to CHF, and Hodges went to FF.

Thanks GWW. Sounds right, now that I think about it. I recall Philips in his return from the VFL in 1987 playing at CHF, and Smith at FF in about 1986 and 1987.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Booney » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:29 am

Phillips kicked 5 or 6 one day from memory, I reckon one of them was a drop kick in the goal square too.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby JK » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:15 am

GWW wrote:
Magellan wrote:Getting away from the whinge for a tick, IIRC Hodges started out in the Port league side as a reasonably average half back flanker under Ebert's last year. Does anyone know what prompted him to get the chance to play at full-forward? Stroke of genius by Cahill (or whoever it may've been) to give him the opportunity.


From memory, in his first year or 2 under Cahill he played on a forward flank, with D Smith full forward, whilst Greg Phillips and Martin Leslie were experimented with at CHF.

When Cahill came back, in 88, he played Phillips at CHB, with Abernethy and Leslie on the back flanks. D Smith went went to CHF, and Hodges went to FF.


Throw David Hynes into the mix and the Maggies had some serious KP firepower. Then their mids like Williams, Obst, Smith etc regularly seemed to hit the scoreboard. That Port side of 88'-90' was something to behold.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Magellan » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:34 am

JK wrote:
GWW wrote:
Magellan wrote:Getting away from the whinge for a tick, IIRC Hodges started out in the Port league side as a reasonably average half back flanker under Ebert's last year. Does anyone know what prompted him to get the chance to play at full-forward? Stroke of genius by Cahill (or whoever it may've been) to give him the opportunity.


From memory, in his first year or 2 under Cahill he played on a forward flank, with D Smith full forward, whilst Greg Phillips and Martin Leslie were experimented with at CHF.

When Cahill came back, in 88, he played Phillips at CHB, with Abernethy and Leslie on the back flanks. D Smith went went to CHF, and Hodges went to FF.


Throw David Hynes into the mix and the Maggies had some serious KP firepower. Then their mids like Williams, Obst, Smith etc regularly seemed to hit the scoreboard. That Port side of 88'-90' was something to behold.

Makes you wounder what might've been for Russell Ebert if he didn't get the sack at the end of 1987 - how much of those sides was a direct result of Cahill, or did they just happen to mature at that time? I guess an argument for the former was Cahill moving Phillips to CHB, and man, was that half back line with Leslie and Abernethy.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby JK » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:05 am

I still think they needed Cahill to take them to that next level, but you're right it might have been a case of timing. Think the loss of Anthony Williams shouldn't be underestimated either, it galvanized the group for a stirring come from behind win at the Parade, and that's when it appeared (from the outside of course) that the group actually started to believe in how good they were.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Magellan » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:24 am

JK wrote:I still think they needed Cahill to take them to that next level, but you're right it might have been a case of timing. Think the loss of Anthony Williams shouldn't be underestimated either, it galvanized the group for a stirring come from behind win at the Parade, and that's when it appeared (from the outside of course) that the group actually started to believe in how good they were.

Agree 100% on the Williams tragedy, it seemed to galvanise the side into believing it could win when 4 or 5 goals down at three-quarter time. I associated that comeback quality about with Cahill's sides as compared to Ebert.

Definitely saw this first hand a few weeks later at Footy Park when Port did just that against North, came from 23 points down IIRC. Greg Phillips' tackle on David Wildy late in the last when about to shoot for goal kick long into the forward line arguably won them the game (and ended Wildy's career, never played again).
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Re: Not all black and white

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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Booney » Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:09 am

Big Phil wrote:https://www.fiveaa.com.au/shows/david-and-will/The-Time-Scotty-Hodges-Bailed-On-A-Game-Halfway-Through


Great call in his time. Might have been different if he was born 10 years later though.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Booney » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:36 am

Knocked over nearly half the book last night, easy read and hard to put down.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby bennymacca » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:54 am

Read a few of the excerpts they published on adelaide now. Some of it was very interesting, and i sympathised a lot with his mental health issues.

A few of the later excerpts made him sound like a spoilt brat though. Like he lived being a big fish in a little pond.
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Re: Not all black and white

Postby Ronnie » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:58 am

He was black and white from an early age, even to the point where he couldn't cop playing for Centrals and threw in the towel there during his junior footy days. Interestingly he supports Collingwood in the AFL and struggles with the concept of Port Power. Certainly was an outstanding full forward and a big game player.
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