by valleys07 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:41 am
by Stumps » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:25 am
by Jim05 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:30 am
valleys07 wrote:AA ruck debate aside, Paddy was sensational for us yesterday.
On stats alone, it is hard to look past Grundy or Kruezer for AA.
I have been on the Grundy wagon for a while now but the gap is closing, Kruezer has been outstanding over the past 5-7 weeks.
by Rik E Boy » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:50 pm
by Booney » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:55 pm
Stumps wrote:grundy best in comp for me
Gun
by morell » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:10 am
Adam Simpson wrote:"Ryder's the No.1 ruckman in the comp at the moment, he'd be an All Australian straight-up selection in my eyes"
by Rik E Boy » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:46 pm
morell wrote:People need to watch more games and stop looking at over aggregated data. And that's me saying that!
The fact Port are 4th and Kruezer's Carlton and Grundy's Collingwood are 15th and 16th respectively is perhaps unfair but it adds to the analysis. Ryder has been the difference on multiple occasions this year. Stepped up when it really matters. West Coast kicked 7 goals in a row on the weekend - Ryder then took 2 or 3 contested marks, kicked a crucial goal, to really stem the flow and get us back into the game.
by morell » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:25 pm
Aggregated means summed up. My example was granular. But that's splitting hairs. The overall crux of my argument is that seasonal hit out data means 2/5ths of **** all when evaluating rucks. If we want to use aggregated data - use clearances, as that's what ruckman are trying to manufacture. Winning a hit out but losing the clearance is pointless.Rik E Boy wrote:morell wrote:People need to watch more games and stop looking at over aggregated data. And that's me saying that!
The fact Port are 4th and Kruezer's Carlton and Grundy's Collingwood are 15th and 16th respectively is perhaps unfair but it adds to the analysis. Ryder has been the difference on multiple occasions this year. Stepped up when it really matters. West Coast kicked 7 goals in a row on the weekend - Ryder then took 2 or 3 contested marks, kicked a crucial goal, to really stem the flow and get us back into the game.
You've just contradicted yourself a bit there. The ladder placings add nothing to the argument. Carlton are almost on square one of their development and they've beaten GWS this season. I'd have Ryder ahead of Grundy as Boon has but without looking at any stats at all I'd say Kruezer has the bigger impact. Ryder has been more than handy but Kruezer is a menace.
regards,
REB
by bennymacca » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:47 pm
by The Bedge » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:04 pm
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by bertiebeatle » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:07 pm
bennymacca wrote:So how many games have you watched of other teams Morrell?
My guess is not many, yet you are arguing that if only we watch paddy more that we would see how good he is.
Classic supporter bias. You are arguing he is more important to port than what other players are to their teams. Which may be true. But that doesn't automatically make him all Australian
by Wedgie » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:11 pm
morell wrote:If we want to use aggregated data - use clearances, as that's what ruckman are trying to manufacture. Winning a hit out but losing the clearance is pointless.
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by morell » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:13 pm
Does Adam Simpson have supporter bias?bennymacca wrote:So how many games have you watched of other teams Morrell?
My guess is not many, yet you are arguing that if only we watch paddy more that we would see how good he is.
Classic supporter bias. You are arguing he is more important to port than what other players are to their teams. Which may be true. But that doesn't automatically make him all Australian
by morell » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:14 pm
Wedgie wrote:morell wrote:If we want to use aggregated data - use clearances, as that's what ruckman are trying to manufacture. Winning a hit out but losing the clearance is pointless.
Geelong are neck and neck with Port on clearances and GWS are comfortably in front. Using your theory Ryder is no better than Smith or Stanley and Mumford ahould be the AA Ruckman.
by morell » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:53 pm
by human_torpedo » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:25 pm
by Wedgie » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:34 pm
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by morell » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:35 pm
Stats back up the argument that Ryder is the best ruck in the comp. My point was people using or misinterpreting bad stats.human_torpedo wrote:The real story here is Morell dismissing stats as irrelevant and not the basis of the argument!! Goes against literally everything you have ever said on here, ever..
by Jim05 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:37 pm
morell wrote:Just as an aside. Coaches MVP as of Round 16 (an award that should be rated much more highly)
Ryder - 47 and the leading ruckman
Kreuzer - 41
Must be more of that pesky supporter bias sneaking in.
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