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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:29 pm

MJ_23 wrote:Its no surprises Neville looked better than Haddin with the gloves, there is a reason for that. He is better!

Balance gone and wouldn't be surprised if Lyth goes soon too. Both rubbish


Like Ballance, from an Australian point of view you want Lyth in the team lol.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:31 pm

whufc wrote:
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whufc wrote:I don't rate Ballance and his tekkers are non existent.

Just quietly though would take his test average of 47.76.

Before the Ashes started his average was well above 50.


yep and an average of 50.52 at first class level.

I don't think crickets a sport where you can be terrible and fluke an average of over 50.

i think its more of a case where he is a solid test player against the middle of the road nations but doesnt have the ability against the very good sides.

Also, I don't remember his technique being as dreadful as it is now when he debuted against Australia in Sydney??
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby wristwatcher » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:21 pm

Without stating the bleeding obvious, if we win the next Test I can't see us losing the Ashes.

I reckon the next Test will be a much closer affair but surely we have too much class overall.

In the first test the Poms had the more effective catching, keeper and all rounder and we seem to somewhat fixed those problems.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:05 am

OFF BALLANCE

Aus (Aus)
18 & 7
Ave: 12.5
SL (Eng)
23 & 104*
74 & 0
Ave: 67
Ind (Eng)
71
110 & 27
156 & 38
37
64
Ave: 71.9
WI (WI)
10 & 122
77 & 81*
18 & 23
Ave: 66.2
NZ (Eng)
1 & 0
29 & 6
Ave: 9
Aus (Eng)
61 & 0
23 &14
Ave: 24.5

Take what you can out of his match by match stats, perhaps he struggles against the better seamers of the world?
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:06 am

wristwatcher wrote:Without stating the bleeding obvious, if we win the next Test I can't see us losing the Ashes.

I reckon the next Test will be a much closer affair but surely we have too much class overall.

In the first test the Poms had the more effective catching, keeper and all rounder and we seem to somewhat fixed those problems.

It's hard to pick yourself up off the floor from a drubbing like that.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby whufc » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:57 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
wristwatcher wrote:Without stating the bleeding obvious, if we win the next Test I can't see us losing the Ashes.

I reckon the next Test will be a much closer affair but surely we have too much class overall.

In the first test the Poms had the more effective catching, keeper and all rounder and we seem to somewhat fixed those problems.

It's hard to pick yourself up off the floor from a drubbing like that.


Agree but like Australia a couple of changes to personnel can really freshen up a side
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:01 pm

whufc wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
wristwatcher wrote:Without stating the bleeding obvious, if we win the next Test I can't see us losing the Ashes.

I reckon the next Test will be a much closer affair but surely we have too much class overall.

In the first test the Poms had the more effective catching, keeper and all rounder and we seem to somewhat fixed those problems.

It's hard to pick yourself up off the floor from a drubbing like that.


Agree but like Australia a couple of changes to personnel can really freshen up a side

Australia brought in fresh faces, the Poms are bringing in a proven dud that averages under 27 over 14 tests.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby am Bays » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:46 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Australia brought in fresh faces, the Poms are bringing in a proven dud that averages under 27 over 14 tests.


Oh you mean like the 7 test dud with an average of 32 that Australia brought in for the 1st test at Trent Bridge in 2013, SPD Smith???

Underestimate you opponents at your peril.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Rik E Boy » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:15 pm

wristwatcher wrote:Without stating the bleeding obvious, if we win the next Test I can't see us losing the Ashes.

I reckon the next Test will be a much closer affair but surely we have too much class overall.

In the first test the Poms had the more effective catching, keeper and all rounder and we seem to somewhat fixed those problems.


I've said this earlier but the number one problem England has is mindset. Deep down, they don't believe they can win. When they make the right noises and dare to play attacking cricket they can worry Australia in their own conditions. As soon as things go against them Captain Cook goes on the defensive and as in Aliens it's GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER.

The Ashes turned when Steve Smith had two slips and four on the offiside in front of the wicket. I started dancing when I saw that.

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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Rik E Boy » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:20 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:A few years back I played a game where we won the toss and batted, the captain decided to elevate himself to first drop, the regular first dropped off seen him padding up and said "You batting at 4 mate"
"Na, 3, you can go down a spot"
The dude was pretty pissed but the captain thought he was doing him a favour though.

"Oh well, it's only an extra ball I'll have to wait" the lad replied.

Funny enough, the skipper got a goldie.


I would have batted the **** at 11 if said that to me.

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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:21 pm

am Bays wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Australia brought in fresh faces, the Poms are bringing in a proven dud that averages under 27 over 14 tests.


Oh you mean like the 7 test dud with an average of 32 that Australia brought in for the 1st test at Trent Bridge in 2013, SPD Smith???

Underestimate you opponents at your peril.


Yeah, they got bundled for 128.

I think you can begin to decipher whether someone is up to it or not by 14 tests.

Only fools underestimate their opponents, it's probably why we won the 2nd test.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:22 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:A few years back I played a game where we won the toss and batted, the captain decided to elevate himself to first drop, the regular first dropped off seen him padding up and said "You batting at 4 mate"
"Na, 3, you can go down a spot"
The dude was pretty pissed but the captain thought he was doing him a favour though.

"Oh well, it's only an extra ball I'll have to wait" the lad replied.

Funny enough, the skipper got a goldie.


I would have batted the **** at 11 if said that to me.

regards,

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Ha, we used to sledge each other way harder than the opposition, if you got out for a duck you may aswell have walked to the other side of the oval, there wasn't much sympathy handed out.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby bennymacca » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:37 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:A few years back I played a game where we won the toss and batted, the captain decided to elevate himself to first drop, the regular first dropped off seen him padding up and said "You batting at 4 mate"
"Na, 3, you can go down a spot"
The dude was pretty pissed but the captain thought he was doing him a favour though.

"Oh well, it's only an extra ball I'll have to wait" the lad replied.

Funny enough, the skipper got a goldie.


I would have batted the **** at 11 if said that to me.

regards,

REB


Ha, we used to sledge each other way harder than the opposition, if you got out for a duck you may aswell have walked to the other side of the oval, there wasn't much sympathy handed out.


We always play better when we are giving out team mates shit. As soon as we go quiet in the field we know we will most likely lose
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:05 pm

bennymacca wrote:
We always play better when we are giving out team mates shit. As soon as we go quiet in the field we know we will most likely lose


Dropping a catch was on par with wetting your pants, there's no place to hide out on the field when you put one down, you were open to hearing an array of stupid noises and insults.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby whufc » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:29 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
bennymacca wrote:
We always play better when we are giving out team mates shit. As soon as we go quiet in the field we know we will most likely lose


Dropping a catch was on par with wetting your pants, there's no place to hide out on the field when you put one down, you were open to hearing an array of stupid noises and insults.


I'm sure you would loved one of your fielders dropping the oppositions best bat no matter how hard the catch was lol
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby mal » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:55 pm

am Bays wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Australia brought in fresh faces, the Poms are bringing in a proven dud that averages under 27 over 14 tests.


Oh you mean like the 7 test dud with an average of 32 that Australia brought in for the 1st test at Trent Bridge in 2013, SPD Smith???

Underestimate you opponents at your peril.


Dud ?
Steve Smith was more or less selected as an allrounder
Almost half his innings with the 32 average was when he batted 7-8-9
Pretty hard to average 50+ when you bat that low so often
So to average 32 is not being a dud , what more can you expect from the then allrounder
Smith only played in 4 tests where he batted top 6 , perhaps better to go with how he batted in those spots
He did bat modestly at 6 , but was still burdened with the leg spinning allrounder status
When he bats top 5 then and now , he has an awesome record

To compare Bairstow with Smith is a poor comparism
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Rik E Boy » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:29 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:A few years back I played a game where we won the toss and batted, the captain decided to elevate himself to first drop, the regular first dropped off seen him padding up and said "You batting at 4 mate"
"Na, 3, you can go down a spot"
The dude was pretty pissed but the captain thought he was doing him a favour though.

"Oh well, it's only an extra ball I'll have to wait" the lad replied.

Funny enough, the skipper got a goldie.


I would have batted the **** at 11 if said that to me.

regards,

REB


Ha, we used to sledge each other way harder than the opposition, if you got out for a duck you may aswell have walked to the other side of the oval, there wasn't much sympathy handed out.


So did we, but the **** can still bat at eleven LOL.

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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby heater31 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:05 am

3 Days of showers leading up to the next Test Match but fine for Day 1.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:38 am

heater31 wrote:3 Days of showers leading up to the next Test Match but fine for Day 1.

Surely not for the players.
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Re: 2015 Ashes

Postby GWW » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:40 am

Some good batting practice overnight with 400 in a day against Derby.
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