Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

[JK]

There's enough education around that people know that drugs are not "perfectly safe", despite what their friendly, caring dealer might be telling them. That's just an excuse for them taking a chance on something.

A degree of drugs end up in the hands (or arm, nose etc) of minors who often don't fully understand the legitimate depth of risk involved, so hard to have any sympathy for anyone involved in the process.

On the other hand when it comes to mules, they aren't always smuggling for the profit, sometimes they place themselves in positions where not performing the task could have serious ramifications for either themselves of their family.

As I said before, tough situation to pass judgement on. Yet in this instance, ultimately futile because it matters not what we think.

[Pseudo]

As DW said, I have no problem with the Australian government applying as much pressure as diplomatically possible to have these people pardoned.

Pardoned, or sentence commuted?

[Booney]

As DW said, I have no problem with the Australian government applying as much pressure as diplomatically possible to have these people pardoned.

Pardoned, or sentence commuted?

Sorry, spared the death penalty.

[Psyber]

There's enough education around that people know that drugs are not "perfectly safe", despite what their friendly, caring dealer might be telling them. That's just an excuse for them taking a chance on something.

Quite true.
My only point was that it indicates that dealer's are happy to put others lives at risk by encouraging the stupid to take that risk.

[MW]

I have no issue in other countries carrying out the death penalty...what I do have an issue with is the way they are going to do it. If they miss the heart then it will be an agonising death rather than instant. If they have to shoot them, do it in the head point blank.

[Lightning McQueen]

I don't run naked through bonfires for fear of getting burnt.

[dedja]

I don't support the death penalty but I also don't have sympathy for this pair, as there is no excuse to be ignorant of Indonesian law with respect to drug smuggling.

I'm not sure there was much remorse from them for the potential victims of their illicit trade when they were willing participants in drug smuggling.

I also don't believe the Australian Government has any business trying to influence or interfere with Indonesian Law, not matter how repugnant capital punishment is.

What would be the reaction from Australia if Indonesia attempted to do the same to us?

[Q.]

I bet Peter Greste wishes he'd received this much attention.

[dedja]

precisely ...

[Booney]

After they have exhausted all legal avenues they have scrawled a clemency plea on a piece of paper.

Seems that nothing will save them now.

[White Line Fever]

This saddens me.
The mindset will be horrible knowing you are soon to be shot.

[Pseudo]

This saddens me.
The mindset will be horrible knowing you are soon to be shot.

"As if that blind rage had washed me clean, rid me of hope; for the first time, in that night alive with signs and stars, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world. Finding it so much like myself—so like a brother, really—I felt that I had been happy and that I was happy again. For everything to be consummated, for me to feel less alone, I had only to wish that there be a large crowd of spectators the day of my execution and that they greet me with cries of hate."

[dedja]

This saddens me.
The mindset will be horrible knowing you are soon to be shot.

As stated earlier, I don't subscribe to the death penalty, but where was their contrition when they willingly and deliberately engaged in trafficking heroin which no doubt would have caused carnage for an untold number of lives? Even worse when you consider you need to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know what the penalty is for being caught on a drugs related charge in Indonesia?

As humans beings this is a tragic result but I have little sympathy for them.

Neither are a Peter Greste.

[Jim05]

No sympathy for them at all

[White Line Fever]

This saddens me.
The mindset will be horrible knowing you are soon to be shot.

As stated earlier, I don't subscribe to the death penalty, but where was their contrition when they willingly and deliberately engaged in trafficking heroin which no doubt would have caused carnage for an untold number of lives? Even worse when you consider you need to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know what the penalty is for being caught on a drugs related charge in Indonesia?

As humans beings this is a tragic result but I have little sympathy for them.

Neither are a Peter Greste.

I've never bought into this.

Anyone who uses drugs does so are their own discretion.

Gun manufacturers are not responsible for people who use guns to kill.
The man who invented the atomic bomb is not responsible for its use.
Smoking companies are not held accountable for the millions who die (far outweighs drug deaths)

Life in prison, yes, but death.
It is against my personal morals - I don't need to convince others of what they feel constitutes the death penalty.

I won't be returning to Indonesia if this goes all the way.

[dedja]

Respect anyone's position on this, but can I ask whether you won't be visiting the United States or any other country that has the death penalty?

[White Line Fever]

Respect anyone's position on this, but can I ask whether you won't be visiting the United States or any other country that has the death penalty?

Read why those guys are on death row.

Is that comparable to what those 2 Aussies did?
No

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un ... ow_inmates

I should clarify..
I don't oppose the death penalty - but must be warranted.

[JK]

This saddens me.
The mindset will be horrible knowing you are soon to be shot.

As stated earlier, I don't subscribe to the death penalty, but where was their contrition when they willingly and deliberately engaged in trafficking heroin which no doubt would have caused carnage for an untold number of lives? Even worse when you consider you need to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know what the penalty is for being caught on a drugs related charge in Indonesia?

As humans beings this is a tragic result but I have little sympathy for them.

Neither are a Peter Greste.

I've never bought into this.

Anyone who uses drugs does so are their own discretion.

Gun manufacturers are not responsible for people who use guns to kill.
The man who invented the atomic bomb is not responsible for its use.
Smoking companies are not held accountable for the millions who die (far outweighs drug deaths)

Life in prison, yes, but death.
It is against my personal morals - I don't need to convince others of what they feel constitutes the death penalty.

I won't be returning to Indonesia if this goes all the way.

Bear in mind that not all drugs fall into the hands of adults. However you do make fair points that I dont necessarily disagree with. But, in your examples you're highlighting the need for individuals to accept responsibility for their decisions and/or actions - Same principle applies to these 9 also, surely?

[White Line Fever]

This saddens me.
The mindset will be horrible knowing you are soon to be shot.

As stated earlier, I don't subscribe to the death penalty, but where was their contrition when they willingly and deliberately engaged in trafficking heroin which no doubt would have caused carnage for an untold number of lives? Even worse when you consider you need to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know what the penalty is for being caught on a drugs related charge in Indonesia?

As humans beings this is a tragic result but I have little sympathy for them.

Neither are a Peter Greste.

I've never bought into this.

Anyone who uses drugs does so are their own discretion.

Gun manufacturers are not responsible for people who use guns to kill.
The man who invented the atomic bomb is not responsible for its use.
Smoking companies are not held accountable for the millions who die (far outweighs drug deaths)

Life in prison, yes, but death.
It is against my personal morals - I don't need to convince others of what they feel constitutes the death penalty.

I won't be returning to Indonesia if this goes all the way.

Bear in mind that not all drugs fall into the hands of adults. However you do make fair points that I dont necessarily disagree with. But, in your examples you're highlighting the need for individuals to accept responsibility for their decisions and/or actions - Same principle applies to these 9 also, surely?

Yes, it is a grey area.
They knew the penalty yet still proceeded.

Accept life in prison.

Accept death.. no.

[valleys07]

Is there any truth to the story published on Friday I wonder (may already be common knowledge)..

Apparently the AFP leaked information of the operation to Indonesian Police, attempting to have the smugglers bypass Indonesian Customs and the drugs to be seized upon arrival into Australian Customs, so as to try them under Australian Legislation (avoiding capital punishment). Apparently Indonesian Police double crossed and intercepted the smugglers on Indonesian soil.

Interesting twist if true..