by has been » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:03 pm
by Legs Man » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:58 pm
has been wrote:Guys you are not listening - There will be an 11 team Central Div next year and an 8 team Country Div. That will appease Echunga and Mt Lofty
In 2016 there will be 2 Divisions - In what format is yet to be seen but clubs will have 12 months to merge or fold. The aim is to make 2 even Divs - how many teams make up that will be decided over the next 18 months but I can tell you there will be 11 teams in central next year.
by Elmer J Thudpucker » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:07 pm
Look Good In Leather wrote:With all due respect, the make-up at the time of the SFL is similar to what the Hills FL is now with Sedan-Cambrai & Milang the only genuine country teams left.
The Hills region is as much Adelaide metro as areas like Aldinga and McLaren Flat were at the time I was referring to (remembering also Kangarilla & Meadows were part of the equation). Hills is effectively a Metro league these days, with a few outlying towns.
It is certainly the most comparable recent example and a lot of lessons can be taken from it.
by Look Good In Leather » Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:17 am
Elmer J Thudpucker wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:With all due respect, the make-up at the time of the SFL is similar to what the Hills FL is now with Sedan-Cambrai & Milang the only genuine country teams left.
The Hills region is as much Adelaide metro as areas like Aldinga and McLaren Flat were at the time I was referring to (remembering also Kangarilla & Meadows were part of the equation). Hills is effectively a Metro league these days, with a few outlying towns.
It is certainly the most comparable recent example and a lot of lessons can be taken from it.
Thanks for the geography lesson - I'm sure the good folk of Macclesfield, Meadows, Kersbrook, Sedan, Milang, Mt Torrens, Mt Pleasant, Birdwood and Gumeracha will be pleased to know they're now in the metropolitan area.
Point remains the same, the smaller clubs will have no option but to consider a merging, or sign up for the C grade comp.
by Armytank » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:11 am
by Champ » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:44 am
by Look Good In Leather » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:03 pm
Champ wrote:Can I just say that there will be nothing wrong with a 6, 7 or 8 team Division 2 Comp. and a 11-12 team Premier Division Comp.
2015 Clubs get to build their cases for which comp they prefer.
There are a number of division 2 clubs that openly have no interest in playing in division 1.
Once the clubs are set the promotion/relegation system stops and instead any div 2 club looking to come up must develop and execute a plan to meet the requirements.
The application is given during a current season for entry in at the end of next; the point is the plan is placed with HFL at say April 2015. The HFL then approve the plan on its merits and set in place check points for review of how it is travelling. Once the plan is approved all division one clubs are put on notice that the bottom A'Grade side in division 1 at the end of 2016 is going down.
Again just a thought but in closing aren't there a number of 6-7 club competitions all over the state currently??
by Yellow & Black » Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:09 pm
by Champ » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:35 pm
Look Good In Leather wrote:Champ wrote:Can I just say that there will be nothing wrong with a 6, 7 or 8 team Division 2 Comp. and a 11-12 team Premier Division Comp.
2015 Clubs get to build their cases for which comp they prefer.
There are a number of division 2 clubs that openly have no interest in playing in division 1.
Once the clubs are set the promotion/relegation system stops and instead any div 2 club looking to come up must develop and execute a plan to meet the requirements.
The application is given during a current season for entry in at the end of next; the point is the plan is placed with HFL at say April 2015. The HFL then approve the plan on its merits and set in place check points for review of how it is travelling. Once the plan is approved all division one clubs are put on notice that the bottom A'Grade side in division 1 at the end of 2016 is going down.
Again just a thought but in closing aren't there a number of 6-7 club competitions all over the state currently??
The key problems happen in the juniors in a 6-7 comp, it only take 1 or 2 teams to not field a team and suddenly one grade has only 4 or 5 teams, when it is following the seniors it means either your juniors are separated from your club for a large chunk of the season or there are a lot of byes. The impact is increased in a smaller competition.
by Ye Olde Place Kick » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:18 pm
Champ wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:Champ wrote:Can I just say that there will be nothing wrong with a 6, 7 or 8 team Division 2 Comp. and a 11-12 team Premier Division Comp.
2015 Clubs get to build their cases for which comp they prefer.
There are a number of division 2 clubs that openly have no interest in playing in division 1.
Once the clubs are set the promotion/relegation system stops and instead any div 2 club looking to come up must develop and execute a plan to meet the requirements.
The application is given during a current season for entry in at the end of next; the point is the plan is placed with HFL at say April 2015. The HFL then approve the plan on its merits and set in place check points for review of how it is travelling. Once the plan is approved all division one clubs are put on notice that the bottom A'Grade side in division 1 at the end of 2016 is going down.
Again just a thought but in closing aren't there a number of 6-7 club competitions all over the state currently??
The key problems happen in the juniors in a 6-7 comp, it only take 1 or 2 teams to not field a team and suddenly one grade has only 4 or 5 teams, when it is following the seniors it means either your juniors are separated from your club for a large chunk of the season or there are a lot of byes. The impact is increased in a smaller competition.
Propping the competition up with strong clubs with a full compliment does no favors either as there are senior teams going undefeated and as a result of the competition in general they lose juniors.
Wouldn't it be easier to have a smaller second div comp to manage and improve? Maybe in theory.
by MatteeG » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:30 pm
Champ wrote:Can I just say that there will be nothing wrong with a 6, 7 or 8 team Division 2 Comp.
helicopterking wrote:Flaggies will choke. Always have.
by youngpace » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:37 pm
has been wrote:Guys you are not listening - There will be an 11 team Central Div next year and an 8 team Country Div. That will appease Echunga and Mt Lofty
In 2016 there will be 2 Divisions - In what format is yet to be seen but clubs will have 12 months to merge or fold. The aim is to make 2 even Divs - how many teams make up that will be decided over the next 18 months but I can tell you there will be 11 teams in central next year.
by youngpace » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:42 pm
Look Good In Leather wrote:backdoor wrote:supercoach wrote:Come on you guys agree with has been this relegation crap is really boring. He is right there will be 11 teams in central next year so lets stop all this tripe and talk finals footy. Can Echunga beat Lobey now the fine weather is back. Uris surely are 6-7 goals better. than both of those teams. They are so good and well coached
No way will there be an 11 team Central Division next season. That will only further damage the Country Division.
Learn from the SFL. You guys are in a similar situation as we were in the late 90s. DO NOT let Division 2 fail, the focus needs to be on making the second division stronger. We allowed the second division to dwindle away, but that was fine because the Division 1 clubs were ok - it ended up becoming our problem.
by youngpace » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:52 pm
Yellow & Black wrote:Should be a beauty on Saturday, looks like fine conditions which will make for a great spectacle. Echunga look to have built a really solid team all over the ground, lightening quick midfield and some big strong targets up forward which might stretch Lobeys defenders.
Legsman you talk about 2 more ins, are you at full strength? (Henke excluded)
Regarding B Grade, I thought TV might have beaten what looked to be a depleted Onkas a week earlier, obviously the home track help the doggies. Anyone at the game or involved who can comment?
by dangermouse » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:54 pm
by Esteban Vihaio » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:34 pm
Look Good In Leather wrote:Elmer J Thudpucker wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:With all due respect, the make-up at the time of the SFL is similar to what the Hills FL is now with Sedan-Cambrai & Milang the only genuine country teams left.
The Hills region is as much Adelaide metro as areas like Aldinga and McLaren Flat were at the time I was referring to (remembering also Kangarilla & Meadows were part of the equation). Hills is effectively a Metro league these days, with a few outlying towns.
It is certainly the most comparable recent example and a lot of lessons can be taken from it.
Thanks for the geography lesson - I'm sure the good folk of Macclesfield, Meadows, Kersbrook, Sedan, Milang, Mt Torrens, Mt Pleasant, Birdwood and Gumeracha will be pleased to know they're now in the metropolitan area.
Point remains the same, the smaller clubs will have no option but to consider a merging, or sign up for the C grade comp.
Maccy, Meadows, Mt Torrens & Birdwood are all similar distances from the CBD as Aldinga & Gawler
Kersbrook and Gumeracha are closer
I talked about Sedan & Milang as being genuine country
When was the last time Mount Pleasant was used, isn't Torrens Valley based at Mount Torrens?
Dismiss the points I have made if you really believe SFL was a fully metropolitan league in the late nineties, even one of your "country" teams you mentioned above (Meadows) was playing in that Metropolitan league at that time.
The relevant experience I was trying to get across was:
Up until the mid 90s the SFL Div2 comp was quite competitive. In 1995 Mitchell Park joined Div1 making it 11 teams in Div1 & 8 in Div2 (similar to what is being suggested for next season in hills). 1997 went crazy, Brighton joined Div1 and entered their C & D grade in the Div2 comp (made a 12-9 split). Coming from the Amateurs they had underestimated the strength of Div2 and there were a number of record scores against them. The Div2 was also starting to see a divide with some reasonably strong teams and some very weak teams. A number of very high margins were occurring at that stage.
The decline progressed in 1998 when McLaren Vale and McLaren Flat merged making a 12-8 split. Meadows went the season without a win and left at the end of the season making it a 12-7 split. The second division by this stage was a very unattractive proposition for the lower Div1 clubs with 3 strong teams (Kangarilla, Aldinga, McLaren), 2 half competitive teams (Lonsdale & Mitchell Park) and 2 very weak teams (Cove & Brighton thirds).
In 2000 the Brighton experiment was brought to a halt (after a number of 40 goal losses), being left with only 6 teams and McLaren wanting out, the league pushed two sides down to balance it better making it 10-8, the damage had been done however.
Mitchell Park and McLaren left at the end of the season reducing it to a 6 team competition. This lasted one season until it was determined to be unviable (4 team U/18 comp, 5 team U/16 & U/14 comps). At the end of the 2001 season, the two divisions were combined to form one 16 team competition (based on the AFL at that time). As a result of this the Lonsdale & O'Sullivan Beach teams merged to make it 15 teams.
Of the 6 teams of that final Div2 season, 2 have become strong clubs (Cove & Flagstaff Hill), 1 left (Kangarilla) and the other two have struggled (Aldinga & the combined OSB/Lonsdale team).
The Saturday juniors have been impacted severely as the Div2 comp traditionally failed to match the junior structure of Div1. This season has seen it hit a low with only 10 teams fielded in the U/16 & U/14 competitions and down to only 8 clubs fielding a full set of teams in their own right in all the 5 Saturday grades.
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