The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[Booney]

Port people need to adapt that same concept
Anyone else can think what they like

One or the other? You pick...

Rising Power sums it up
Its up to the individual to think what they think on this matter

If you wish, so why say "Port people need to adapt the same concept"? Aren't you telling us what we should think, about our club?

[bennymacca]

A bit of an insight given during James Gowans speech at the Hall of Fame night about how he came to play SANFL. They did have a rookie contract at St Kilda for 2000, but only being paid $12k, they were better off coming to SA and playing SANFL, so they did. Every rookie listed Port and Crows player would be on more than the highest paid SANFL players these days. That is with an extra two AFL teams as well - i.e. it is easier to get on an AFL list now.

Not really a whinge or argument whether it is better now or then, but an example of why the SANFL is struggling to maintain its stance with AFL going from strength to strength and leaving the rest behind.

I'm sure both Gowans and many other very good SANFL players of the early to mid 2000's would be on AFL lists now if their careers began 15 years later.

Rookie listed players in 2014 are on $53,825 (warning: long PDF; it's on page 68). There are two players contracted to play entirely in the SANFL who would be on more than that: Henry Slattery and Ian Callinan. Surprise, surprise: their wages are both paid out of the kitty of an AFL club. (The rules don't appear to prevent the AFL reserves club's 'leadership player' getting paid $1 million a year if the club feels like paying it.) Unless Glenelg pays its assistant coaches unusually well (i.e. Mitch Thorp), presumably there are no others who get paid more than the AFL rookie wage for playing SANFL.

He who has the gold makes the rules, and over the last 30 years, the VFL/AFL has gone from having maybe 60% of the footy-related gold in Australia, to 95% plus. I think most fans are acclimatised to the idea that we'll never see new Super Carey/ Garry McIntoshes (i.e. elite players who play their whole career in the SANFL) again. But it's sad to think that there's a good chance that structural changes to footy mean we'll increasingly rarely see new Gowans brothers (top-level state players who start playing SANFL relatively early in their career and stay for 200+ games) again either.

to be fair though, these players have been playing in the sanfl since there were rookies, that hasnt changed. just that they are now concentrated within two teams.

With the rookie wage of $53k that is a base salary surely the players would get a weekley payment for playing on top of this, if so what figure would that be, reading that page 68 surely it wouldnt be the senior match payment of $2980 although they are playing senior football just not at AFL level?

thats for an afl game

[Maddawg]

What woudl they be paid for an SANFL game?

[Dogwatcher]

A bit of an insight given during James Gowans speech at the Hall of Fame night about how he came to play SANFL. They did have a rookie contract at St Kilda for 2000, but only being paid $12k, they were better off coming to SA and playing SANFL, so they did. Every rookie listed Port and Crows player would be on more than the highest paid SANFL players these days. That is with an extra two AFL teams as well - i.e. it is easier to get on an AFL list now.

Not really a whinge or argument whether it is better now or then, but an example of why the SANFL is struggling to maintain its stance with AFL going from strength to strength and leaving the rest behind.

I'm sure both Gowans and many other very good SANFL players of the early to mid 2000's would be on AFL lists now if their careers began 15 years later.

Rookie listed players in 2014 are on $53,825 (warning: long PDF; it's on page 68). There are two players contracted to play entirely in the SANFL who would be on more than that: Henry Slattery and Ian Callinan. Surprise, surprise: their wages are both paid out of the kitty of an AFL club. (The rules don't appear to prevent the AFL reserves club's 'leadership player' getting paid $1 million a year if the club feels like paying it.) Unless Glenelg pays its assistant coaches unusually well (i.e. Mitch Thorp), presumably there are no others who get paid more than the AFL rookie wage for playing SANFL.

He who has the gold makes the rules, and over the last 30 years, the VFL/AFL has gone from having maybe 60% of the footy-related gold in Australia, to 95% plus. I think most fans are acclimatised to the idea that we'll never see new Super Carey/ Garry McIntoshes (i.e. elite players who play their whole career in the SANFL) again. But it's sad to think that there's a good chance that structural changes to footy mean we'll increasingly rarely see new Gowans brothers (top-level state players who start playing SANFL relatively early in their career and stay for 200+ games) again either.

to be fair though, these players have been playing in the sanfl since there were rookies, that hasnt changed. just that they are now concentrated within two teams.

Huh?

[dedja]

Its no different to religion, if people want to believe in fairy stories they're allowed too.
Theyre still ignorant fools and wrong but that's their right.

Hey, if I want to believe the Bays can win another flag this millennium then I will!

Ignorance is bliss ...

[bennymacca]

A bit of an insight given during James Gowans speech at the Hall of Fame night about how he came to play SANFL. They did have a rookie contract at St Kilda for 2000, but only being paid $12k, they were better off coming to SA and playing SANFL, so they did. Every rookie listed Port and Crows player would be on more than the highest paid SANFL players these days. That is with an extra two AFL teams as well - i.e. it is easier to get on an AFL list now.

Not really a whinge or argument whether it is better now or then, but an example of why the SANFL is struggling to maintain its stance with AFL going from strength to strength and leaving the rest behind.

I'm sure both Gowans and many other very good SANFL players of the early to mid 2000's would be on AFL lists now if their careers began 15 years later.

Rookie listed players in 2014 are on $53,825 (warning: long PDF; it's on page 68). There are two players contracted to play entirely in the SANFL who would be on more than that: Henry Slattery and Ian Callinan. Surprise, surprise: their wages are both paid out of the kitty of an AFL club. (The rules don't appear to prevent the AFL reserves club's 'leadership player' getting paid $1 million a year if the club feels like paying it.) Unless Glenelg pays its assistant coaches unusually well (i.e. Mitch Thorp), presumably there are no others who get paid more than the AFL rookie wage for playing SANFL.

He who has the gold makes the rules, and over the last 30 years, the VFL/AFL has gone from having maybe 60% of the footy-related gold in Australia, to 95% plus. I think most fans are acclimatised to the idea that we'll never see new Super Carey/ Garry McIntoshes (i.e. elite players who play their whole career in the SANFL) again. But it's sad to think that there's a good chance that structural changes to footy mean we'll increasingly rarely see new Gowans brothers (top-level state players who start playing SANFL relatively early in their career and stay for 200+ games) again either.

to be fair though, these players have been playing in the sanfl since there were rookies, that hasnt changed. just that they are now concentrated within two teams.

Huh?

people talking about afl rookies playing in the sanfl and being paid more than others. they have been playing in the sanfl for years.

[Dogwatcher]

That's not the point of his post.

[Rising Power]

No salary cap in the SANFL!

[am Bays]

Gees, it fruit for the sideboard here.

We're flying through the 80s, some CUTting remaks, gentle nudges, and some posters taking the bait HOOK line and sinker.

Will we maintain this pace through the nervous nineties???

[PhilH]

hope we don't have to merge with another thread at the end of '90

[am Bays]

hope we don't have to merge with another thread at the end of '90

or get two posters from the one username after 96......

[stan]

Easily my favorite thread. Well done all.

[mal]

Port people need to adapt that same concept
Anyone else can think what they like

One or the other? You pick...

Rising Power sums it up
Its up to the individual to think what they think on this matter

If you wish, so why say "Port people need to adapt the same concept"? Aren't you telling us what we should think, about our club?

OK this is as plain as I can post :
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Adelaide Reserves is the B grade AFL team of the AFL crows
Port Reserves is the B grade AFL team of Port Power
___________________________________________________________

That is fact

The Port faithfuls can claim whatever they like about the link with :
Port of 1870-2013 to the Port playing in the SANFL in 2014
If they think its the same team, the same history , the same whatever they want to believe ,that's their prerogative

I do emphasize with Port people like yourself , its all changed
I certainly preferred the 1870-2013 Port model

I just live in 2014 knowing the facts and I am not blinded by a one eyed belief

[bennymacca]

different team, same history. whats wrong with that?

[RustyCage]

So if the 2013 Port is different than the 2014 club, how about the difference between the 2010 club to the 2011 club?

[Gozu]

What woudl they be paid for an SANFL game?

Can of coke and a hot cup of chips?

[Wedgie]

different team, same history. whats wrong with that?

Different clubs.
The PAFC changed its name in 95/96 to the PAMFC.
The PAMFC stopped at playing at the end of last year.
The history belongs to the now defunct PAMFC, its quite simple.

[bennymacca]

Can Sydney claim south Melbourne history?

Can the eagles claim woodville history?

If the answer is yes to both of those questions then it is yes to port too

[Wedgie]

Can Sydney claim south Melbourne history?

Yes, same club, different location. Location means nothing.

Can the eagles claim woodville history?

No, different clubs. The current Eagles was a new club that commenced in 1991.

If the answer is yes to both of those questions then it is yes to port too

It isn't so I'm glad you've worked it out.

[bennymacca]

Can Sydney claim south Melbourne history?

Yes, same club, different location. Location means nothing.

Can the eagles claim woodville history?

No, different clubs. The current Eagles was a new club that commenced in 1991.

If the answer is yes to both of those questions then it is yes to port too

It isn't so I'm glad you've worked it out.

So location means nothing, a name change means nothing, jumper change means nothing, but some legalese that changed nothing but the letterhead changes everything?

Port power can also lay claim to that history too