AFL Reserves Discussion...

[on the rails]

Spot on saintal.

[Booney]

This will help crowds..

The average crows side will be made up of players in the following categories

Category A- aging players who are dropped and are trying to get back into the AFL team (Porplyzia, Callinan etc)
Category B- guys who are generally the fan’s whipping boys when they’re in the AFL team. The yo-yo men (Martin, Jaensch, Tambling, McKernan etc)
Category C- guys who haven’t made the level yet and perhaps never will (McIntrye, Ellis-Yolman, Dowdell etc)
Category D- guys with some potential, who may have played the odd AFL game (Hartigan, Shaw etc)
Category E- Young blokes not up to SANFL league level yet, unknown to the average footy follower (Siggins, Atkins, Orval etc)
Category F- A genuinely good player coming back from injury (Walker etc)
Category G- Early draft pick who will play a few games in the SANFL before making AFL debut (Crouch etc)
Category H- Unknown top ups not up to league standard.

Categories F and G will hold some appeal to the average supporter (but these players will only be in the team for a short while) and to a lesser extent A and D. The rest..meh. Early on in the season they will pull some semi-respectable crowds. The novelty will be there, the weather will be good, a few night games at Parade or the Bay will be scheduled by the SANFL to help attendances in an attempt to justify their inclusion. Then reality will hit home.

Only every other week.

Let's be honest, the average Crow fan makes Apricot Slice for the boys at training and head home to knit. If Adelaide play at home there is no way in hell that Ethel and Gerald are going to go to two games in weekend, let alone two games in one day if one plays Saturday and one Saturday night. So the only possibility of them attending a game to watch A,D,F or G will be when Adelaide are away, the reserves are not on TV at all and are not playing at the same time as the nice boys from West Lakes.

[UK Fan]

For 25 years dogs fans have been trying to tell bays fans Nick Chigwidden was a useless prick.

Thanks for confirming it for us chiggy!!!

[saintal]

[quote="Booney"
Only every other week.
Let's be honest, the average Crow fan makes Apricot Slice for the boys at training and head home to knit. If Adelaide play at home there is no way in hell that Ethel and Gerald are going to go to two games in weekend, let alone two games in one day if one plays Saturday and one Saturday night. So the only possibility of them attending a game to watch A,D,F or G will be when Adelaide are away, the reserves are not on TV at all and are not playing at the same time as the nice boys from West Lakes.[/quote]

Yes, absolutely.

[Aerie]

OK, we've heard all the negatives why this shouldn't happen. Fair enough if people hold this view. What about the positives? Surely people are objective enough on here to realise that IF this happens there will be some benefits to the SANFL clubs and in particular the players who are coming through the system.

Even if the benefits don't outweigh the negatives it might be beneficial to show there is an understanding in why some league directors are casting this vote in favour for this NO AFL in the SANFL group to have some credibility.

It might be beneficial in showing how this should be done IF it is going to happen, instead of screaming NO and acting like a polar opposite of the AFC.

It seems a lot of people are all or nothing, when some middle ground might be the best thing for everyone.

[bays2011]

OK, we've heard all the negatives why this shouldn't happen. Fair enough if people hold this view. What about the positives? Surely people are objective enough on here to realise that IF this happens there will be some benefits to the SANFL clubs and in particular the players who are coming through the system.

Even if the benefits don't outweigh the negatives it might be beneficial to show there is an understanding in why some league directors are casting this vote in favour for this NO AFL in the SANFL group to have some credibility.

It might be beneficial in showing how this should be done IF it is going to happen, instead of screaming NO and acting like a polar opposite of the AFC.

It seems a lot of people are all or nothing, when some middle ground might be the best thing for everyone.

Totally agree. Why are the Crows so petulantly demanding entry into the league SANFL comp from next year or threatening to go to the ammos? No middle ground there! The obvious solution, the obvious middle ground, is for The Crows reserves side to go into the SANFL reserves, where reserves sides belong.

[saintal]

Agree 100% bays2011.

[Ecky]

OK, we've heard all the negatives why this shouldn't happen. Fair enough if people hold this view. What about the positives? Surely people are objective enough on here to realise that IF this happens there will be some benefits to the SANFL clubs and in particular the players who are coming through the system.

Even if the benefits don't outweigh the negatives it might be beneficial to show there is an understanding in why some league directors are casting this vote in favour for this NO AFL in the SANFL group to have some credibility.

It might be beneficial in showing how this should be done IF it is going to happen, instead of screaming NO and acting like a polar opposite of the AFC.

It seems a lot of people are all or nothing, when some middle ground might be the best thing for everyone.

Totally agree. Why are the Crows so petulantly demanding entry into the league SANFL comp from next year or threatening to go to the ammos? No middle ground there! The obvious solution, the obvious middle ground, is for The Crows reserves side to go into the SANFL reserves, where reserves sides belong.

We were also pushing Chiggy on this point after the meeting, and the only response he had was that the Crows have said that it is either League or Amateurs, and that no other option will be given any thought whatsoever.

[areaman]

OK, we've heard all the negatives why this shouldn't happen. Fair enough if people hold this view. What about the positives? Surely people are objective enough on here to realise that IF this happens there will be some benefits to the SANFL clubs and in particular the players who are coming through the system.

Even if the benefits don't outweigh the negatives it might be beneficial to show there is an understanding in why some league directors are casting this vote in favour for this NO AFL in the SANFL group to have some credibility.

It might be beneficial in showing how this should be done IF it is going to happen, instead of screaming NO and acting like a polar opposite of the AFC.

It seems a lot of people are all or nothing, when some middle ground might be the best thing for everyone.

The directors are worried about the comp losing further media profile along with sponsorship dollars if the Crows go to the SAAFL.

They are concerned at their ability to keep the clubs afloat if sponsorship dries up. I don't envy their position if they are having sponsors talking about withdrawing if the Crows do go to the SAAFL.

I don't get the impression that they are doing cartwheels at the idea of AFL Reserves teams in the comp but possibly view it as the least worst option.

All the undertakings and benefits being suggested are just a token effort to appear like the AFL clubs have the interests of the SANFL at heart.

I simply see this now as the club presidents are in damage limitation mode.

There is no doubt this whole debate has fractured and damaged the clubs and alienated sections of their core supporter base.

[topsywaldron]

The least worst option is the AFL teams in the reserves competition but that's been dismissed out of hand. And why?

'Because we said so that's why' according to the AFC person who posts here.

[heater31]

The least worst option is the AFL teams in the reserves competition but that's been dismissed out of hand. And why?

'Because we said so that's why' according to the AFC person who posts here.

No apparently they are not talented enough but the SAAFL amateurs is a better option when the majority of their players were not wanted by SANFL clubs

[Booney]

The least worst option is the AFL teams in the reserves competition but that's been dismissed out of hand. And why?

'Because we said so that's why' according to the AFC person who posts here.

Correct. Why is it that it seems the SANFL is having to negotiate to get their terms accepted by Adelaide?

Like I didn't hate those ******* wankers enough.

[areaman]

The least worst option is the AFL teams in the reserves competition but that's been dismissed out of hand. And why?

'Because we said so that's why' according to the AFC person who posts here.

Yes. I say this is the least worst in the sense that the only options now being seriously considered are now SANFL League or SAAFL.

From an SANFL supporters (and probably club's view) the current system is a better option. Joining the VFL is a better option and the SANFL Reserves is a better option.

[topsywaldron]

From an SANFL supporters (and probably club's view) the current system is a better option. Joining the VFL is a better option and the SANFL Reserves is a better option.

And none of them suit the AFL clubs ('because we say so') so none of those options are being considered.

Royally scr*wing the SANFL league competition appears to be the only viable option then.

[areaman]

Correct. Why is it that it seems the SANFL is having to negotiate to get their terms accepted by Adelaide?

Like I didn't hate those ******* wankers enough.

How can you hate them Booney?

Your club helped create them

[Ecky]

The directors are worried about the comp losing further media profile along with sponsorship dollars if the Crows go to the SAAFL.

They are concerned at their ability to keep the clubs afloat if sponsorship dries up. I don't envy their position if they are having sponsors talking about withdrawing if the Crows do go to the SAAFL.

I don't get the impression that they are doing cartwheels at the idea of AFL Reserves teams in the comp but possibly view it as the least worst option.

All the undertakings and benefits being suggested are just a token effort to appear like the AFL clubs have the interests of the SANFL at heart.

I simply see this now as the club presidents are in damage limitation mode.

There is no doubt this whole debate has fractured and damaged the clubs and alienated sections of their core supporter base.

Chiggy basically said all of that too - he said
- all the clubs would prefer the status quo but that simply won't happen.
- that the last few months have been really tough for him and everyone involved and that he wishes it would be over ASAP
- that interest in the SANFL has definitely been negatively affected by the whole debate

[Ronnie]

The least worst option is the AFL teams in the reserves competition but that's been dismissed out of hand. And why?

'Because we said so that's why' according to the AFC person who posts here.

The only flimsy piece of enlightenment offered by Adelaidefc on here is to talk of the 'bigger bodies' of the SAAFL.
That in itself is just a joke. No disrespect to Div 1 but their fitness and conditioning is well below SANFL league and reserves.

It was always implausible how steadfast against the SANFL reserves the Crows are. To say it is either the league or SAAFL is a false scenario.

The SANFL Reserves would've given the Crows EVERYTHING they are apparently after. It would also have protected the league comp.

It was really all about using the amateurs as a bargaining tool. Threaten to go to another comp and you will suffer was the underlying message to all the league directors.

Part of doing business with the charming Adelaide Football Club.

[mighty_tiger_79]

The least worst option is the AFL teams in the reserves competition but that's been dismissed out of hand. And why?

'Because we said so that's why' according to the AFC person who posts here.

Correct. Why is it that it seems the SANFL is having to negotiate to get their terms accepted by Adelaide?

Like I didn't hate those ******* wankers enough.

isn't this a fascinating situation

Trigg said they had been working for 18 months and there was no rush for the plan to be voted on........yet they wanted a reserves team for next year

[mighty_tiger_79]

now that the crows and power will get their reserves sides - well the crows will be for sure

I hope that they go through undefeated, I hope that they win every game including the Grand final by 45 goals

I hope that crowds are around the 400 mark

I hope delisted AFL players stay in VFL or other state league comps and don't come to SA

Your being a sook.
People say they won't watch SANFL any more.
But they still will. This will help crowds..
People won't jump off their sides and the crows will have supporters who wanna see the young fellas

I wont be watching anymore SANFL

the money I save from the footy will go towards Golf....

and yes there will be a 1 or 2 crows fans who want to go to the reserves

good luck to the crows and best wishes to those who choose to watch them in the SANFL

[MatteeG]

Really wish my club had the balls to call the crows bluff. There is NO way the froot loops backups will go to the Ammos.

Its hard enough being a bays fan without having the 'bend over' stigma attached.

As Stampy would commonly say, FFS.