AFL Reserves Discussion...

[daysofourlives]

What rule is there to cover the unlikely scenario that all 47 Crows players are available at the same time?
Im sure it will be ok for them to play reserves for the bottom team in reserves and this won't hinder their development.
What a well thought out proposal, as i said earlier i reckon they came up with this in their 2 hour meeting yesterday morning

[on the rails]

What rule is there to cover the unlikely scenario that all 47 Crows players are available at the same time?
Im sure it will be ok for them to play reserves for the bottom team in reserves and this won't hinder their development.
What a well thought out proposal, as i said earlier i reckon they came up with this in their 2 hour meeting yesterday morning

??? When is that likely to happen? There is also a qualification clause re finals as there presently is.

[areaman]

Crows want 8 out of 8 clubs to say yes or they will go to the Amateur League according to Trigg.

[Armytank]

I can see the Amateur League telling them to stick it too. How does Promotion/Relegation work with the Cows in Div 1?

[daysofourlives]

What rule is there to cover the unlikely scenario that all 47 Crows players are available at the same time?
Im sure it will be ok for them to play reserves for the bottom team in reserves and this won't hinder their development.
What a well thought out proposal, as i said earlier i reckon they came up with this in their 2 hour meeting yesterday morning

??? When is that likely to happen? There is also a qualification clause re finals as there presentyl is.

As i said unlikely, but it could happen and anyone that has been involved in governance will tell you, all scenarios need to be covered BEFORE they happen

[mighty_tiger_79]

Crows want 8 out of 8 clubs to say yes or they will go to the Amateur League according to Trigg.

good, they wont get 8

[sjt]

I had the opportunity to give an sanfl supporters perspective to Steven trigg and some crows corporate managers today. The end result was they'll have a reserves side somewhere next year, even if not in the sanfl. They couldnt demonstrate why it would benefit an sanfl team. I said I'd be happier if they went to the Vfl.

[daysofourlives]

I can see the Amateur League telling them to stick it too. How does Promotion/Relegation work with the Cows in Div 1?

I could just imagine them getting changed in Seaton's changerooms
Lucky they could walk across the road if they ever ended up there

[Dogwatcher]

I believe the Crows going to SAAFL would be a very sticky result for the SANFL.

[Jim05]

Crows want 8 out of 8 clubs to say yes or they will go to the Amateur League according to Trigg.

Seeya later then

[Jim05]

I believe the Crows going to SAAFL would be a very sticky result for the SANFL.

Do explain

[on the rails]

Just flicking through twitter:

@Adelaide_FC Trigg says 'top up' players a contentious point with SANFL clubs.
@Adelaide_FC Calling Crows reserves team Ravens not the case... no name discussed yet... Trigg says "not a big ticket item".
@Adelaide_FC Trigg says if SANFL clubs don't vote in favour ... "we will enter a team in SA Amateur League."
@Adelaide_FC Trigg says committed to working with SANFL to ensure live free to air coverage of league's game of day.

Trigg is a smug smartarse that should have been fired after the Tippett fiasco! He is obviously got his nose right up Chapman's arse to have been able to save his job.

F..k off to the Ammos you pompous git!

[Dogwatcher]

I believe the Crows going to SAAFL would be a very sticky result for the SANFL.

Do explain

SANFL clubs are already struggling with player retention due to the cash on offer in some SAAFL grades and in the country.
All of a sudden, a Crows side is in the SAAFL, players head there wanting to play for the Crows.
Crows will have to have a B grade side as well in SAAFL, there's some more players.
SANFL players start thinking that, even if they're not in the Crows, the chance to play under the noses of the Crows and be observed by Crows officials means they consider crossing to a top-flight SAAFL club.
The Crows in the SAAFL sees additional media directed towards that league, eating into SANFL coverage which has already shrunk over the years.
While the Crows also direct valuable funds, which would have gone to the SANFL clubs, towards the SAAFL.
Prestige is a very important part of the SANFL package but that prestige could be significantly reduced by a Crows side taking SANFL standard players to the SAAFL.

Those are all obviously worse case scenarios, but an SANFL side breaking away and trying to join the AFL wasn't a scenario we all thought would happen in 1990 either, was it?

[Gervais]

Why can't the 8 clubs break away and form a new league and sack all the afl players?

Because if you believe what the Adevertiser says all the SANFL clubs are on board except Norwood. Its funny you saying that though i just read a commment on Adelaide now that suggested that Norwood should leave the SANFL and go and play in the SAAFL. Personally this is what i would like to see happen in the event that the crows and power get their reserves sides. I can handle Norwood playing at a lesser level because my needs are only that Norwood exist in their own right and play in a meaningful competition. don't really give a **** abou the standard of play to be honest.

Agreed.

I'd rather we had half the salary cap but still played in a competition with integrity.

although i like the sentiment, the reality is that sanfl has had little integrity for many years now. It was initially compromised in 1991, and then even further in 1997.

it’s a competition where some players that are owned by an afl club, get to play for a sanfl club to which they have no connection (other than being selected in a ‘mini-draft’).

it’s a competition where some sanfl clubs, purely by chance that their best juniors get drafted to a SA based team, get to have continued access to their players, while others drafted by interstate teams lose them at 18/19.

it's a competition where some, not all, of theses sanfl clubs get to keep these afl listed players in finals, while others don’t, often depending on the whim of the afl club (which by the way, is totally understandable since they are contracted to the afl club).

it’s a competition where teams don’t play each other the same number of times, and the vagrancies of the draw can directly impact on whether you make finals.

where's the integrity?

[on the rails]

Good points there Gervais

[Hazydog]

Why can't the 8 clubs break away and form a new league and sack all the afl players?

Because if you believe what the Adevertiser says all the SANFL clubs are on board except Norwood. Its funny you saying that though i just read a commment on Adelaide now that suggested that Norwood should leave the SANFL and go and play in the SAAFL. Personally this is what i would like to see happen in the event that the crows and power get their reserves sides. I can handle Norwood playing at a lesser level because my needs are only that Norwood exist in their own right and play in a meaningful competition. don't really give a **** abou the standard of play to be honest.

Agreed.

I'd rather we had half the salary cap but still played in a competition with integrity.

although i like the sentiment, the reality is that sanfl has had little integrity for many years now. It was initially compromised in 1991, and then even further in 1997.

it’s a competition where some players that are owned by an afl club, get to play for a sanfl club to which they have no connection (other than being selected in a ‘mini-draft’).

it’s a competition where some sanfl clubs, purely by chance that their best juniors get drafted to a SA based team, get to have continued access to their players, while others drafted by interstate teams lose them at 18/19.

it's a competition where some, not all, of theses sanfl clubs get to keep these afl listed players in finals, while others don’t, often depending on the whim of the afl club (which by the way, is totally understandable since they are contracted to the afl club).

it’s a competition where teams don’t play each other the same number of times, and the vagrancies of the draw can directly impact on whether you make finals.

where's the integrity?

Three of those points can easily be rectified by removing all AFL listed players from the comp...

[topsywaldron]

However all secondary to the point that at the start of the year 100% of the clubs are playing for one thing and one thing alone.

Accept the Crows and Port reserves teams into the competition and that changes.

Dion Hayman put it best.

"People are not stupid. They know when they are being conned. And two reserves teams operating in a League competition will reduce it to a farce, a competition without a soul."

[rod_rooster]

Why can't the 8 clubs break away and form a new league and sack all the afl players?

Because if you believe what the Adevertiser says all the SANFL clubs are on board except Norwood. Its funny you saying that though i just read a commment on Adelaide now that suggested that Norwood should leave the SANFL and go and play in the SAAFL. Personally this is what i would like to see happen in the event that the crows and power get their reserves sides. I can handle Norwood playing at a lesser level because my needs are only that Norwood exist in their own right and play in a meaningful competition. don't really give a **** abou the standard of play to be honest.

Agreed.

I'd rather we had half the salary cap but still played in a competition with integrity.

although i like the sentiment, the reality is that sanfl has had little integrity for many years now. It was initially compromised in 1991, and then even further in 1997.

it’s a competition where some players that are owned by an afl club, get to play for a sanfl club to which they have no connection (other than being selected in a ‘mini-draft’).

it’s a competition where some sanfl clubs, purely by chance that their best juniors get drafted to a SA based team, get to have continued access to their players, while others drafted by interstate teams lose them at 18/19.

it's a competition where some, not all, of theses sanfl clubs get to keep these afl listed players in finals, while others don’t, often depending on the whim of the afl club (which by the way, is totally understandable since they are contracted to the afl club).

it’s a competition where teams don’t play each other the same number of times, and the vagrancies of the draw can directly impact on whether you make finals.

where's the integrity?

Regardless of how valid those points are, they aren't a good reason to make things even worse.

[Harry the Horse]

Crows want 8 out of 8 clubs to say yes or they will go to the Amateur League according to Trigg.

Fantastic! And best of luck against Port Districts.

[passionatelegsfan]

Crows want 8 out of 8 clubs to say yes or they will go to the Amateur League according to Trigg.

That doesn't make any sense as they rejected playing in the SANFL reserves as the standard wasn't high enough. Surely SANFL reserves is a higher standard than amateue league?