AFL Reserves Discussion...

[whufc]

They are signing on REGARDLESS, so if Holden go, the loss will be negated.

so why havent they signed on already?

Because I'm currently negotiating the finer details.

Game, set and match Centurian.

[rod_rooster]

whufc- using an asumption based on the lessons history has taught, based on views of people who have seen this before, based on what he has seen in other leagues with his own eyes

pullinit- using an usumption based on thin air and his love for the power and nothing else.

your just proving my point further.

YOU CANT guarentee what happened in the VFL and Weststar wont happen here, the SANFL doesnt need to take that risk for little to zero gain just to keep two clubs who they wont own happy.

YOU LOST ALL CREDIBILITY WHEN YOU CLAIMED IT WAS ALREADY A DONE DEAL!!!!! IDIOT!

like I said how do you guarantee it will happen here? what are centrals going to do when they lose holden in a couple of years and no one wants to sponsor them, why would anyone want to sponsor a club that has no media exposure and gets a couple of thousand to a game. The SANFL are going to be making less money next year with the power and crows going to AO.

Oh and if you go back and read you will see I said my comment was sarcasm, because apparently going by your thoughts assumption guarantees it will happen. The funny thing is you calling me a idiot because my thoughts are based on assumption JUST LIKE YOURS.

Your just showing your lack of knowledge for the league, the only media outlets who 'may' lessen their coverage of the SANFL is the advertiser and 5AA, these two give very minimal coverage of the league. Media outlets like Lifefm, 5rph, the messenger and possibly the ABC will continue to give the SANFL coverage.

Once again you are only asuming Centrals will lose Holden and if they do they will find a sponsor like the one who want to sponsor the 8 other SANFL clubs.

Once again you are not understanding there is a massive difference using asumption based on previous experiences rather than just a cowboy wild guess.

YOU ARE STILL AVOIDING AND FAILING TO GIVE ANY BENEFITS!!! Your just presuming your asumption is better than others.

IDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDIOT!

you idiot. You have shown why you are a centrals support because your out right a muppet that only wants what best for yourself. You are probably of the majority of centrals supporters that believe the SANFL was only formed in 2000. My assumption on centrals losing holden is more then likely going to be true, do you really think Holden will be in Australia in a couple of years. You can believe what you want to believe because clearly your head is too far up your arse to see any different. Funny how your such a strong supporter of centrals only missing 10 games in 10 years ( were where you 11 years ago?) but you wont supporter your club if they make a decision they think is in the best interest of your club. In other words your a piss weak supporter and don't really care about whats best for your club. If the deal does go through centrals should be glad they will lose you as a SO CALLED SUPPORTER

So you bag people for making assumptions yet openly admit you are making assumptions but seem to think that is somehow okay? Add to this you are accusing others of only wanting the best for themselves when your whole argument is based on the two AFL clubs only wanting what is best for themselves but again you seem to think that is okay. FFS you contradict yourself more than the bible does and you are calling other people muppets. As for bagging a bloke and asking him where he was before a certain period of time, how do you know how old he is?

Out of interest, in relation to why people think the SANFL will be destroyed in the same way all other leagues accepting reserves sides into their comp have been the following probably applies:

"those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

[UK Fan]

This always makes me laugh


http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=aTEKSaau ... TEKSaauT9E

[CENTURION]

This always makes me laugh


http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=aTEKSaau ... TEKSaauT9E

that must be old.

[kickinit]

If they come out and give a list of reasons which are valid (example they come out and say the clubs financial position is absolutely dire and we have no other choice due to an extremly substantial amount being offered, which it isnt as far as we are aware) then i would definatly take that on board and reasses my stance.

With the knowledge of the CDFC that i have i believe there is no benefit nor reason for us to accept them in the league competition. We are currently financially stable, we have major redevlopments that should provide a nice income and you would surprised at how little the Holden sponsorship is worth these days from what i have been told.

If SANFL clubs came out and gave a reason for why they say no are you going to be willing to take that on board and look at subjectively.

Of course I would take that on board. Everything that has been said so far is assumption no ones knows what is going to happen, if it's going to help clubs out or if it's going to break clubs. Do you think the CDFC or any other SANFL club will just vote yes or no because how they feel? If they don then that club needs to look at making some changes before the club is in a situation no one can help them. Every club is going to vote on the information they have and the situation their club is in and the outcome if the the AFL clubs decided to go else were.

[whufc]

RodRooster, exactly was born on 25th September 1983!! (apparently the day we won the americas cup, i have never looked that up though)

Started going to games from the age of 4 with my english grandma and jamaican grandfather who both were only new to the country and wanted to support the local side as they lived on bloomfield crescent Elizabeth Downs. Went to games with them from 4 until about 11-12 and they became uncool. Grandad use to have a seat in the members where i would watch the game from. He created Smithfield Crash Repair and to this day they are still a sponsor of the CDFC and the SANFL though he is no longer involved in the company.

From 11-15 i continued to go and stand under the scoreboard with a school mate whose family use to run the scoreboard going to all home games and the occasional away game we could get a lift with. Would walk lap after lap after lap of the ground looking to find the finest talent around. A great day would involve getting a girl down the back of the hill to 'scheme'

At 16, 17 years old i moved from playing sundays at Eastern Park to playing underage footy on Saturdays for South Gawler and then Centrals, still made it to heaps of home games and the rare away game.

At 18 years old i quit playing football to concerntrate on drinking alcohol and watching football with my best mate bulldogs2004 to which we still do to this day.

I had the priviledge of being very good mates at school with Adrian Wilson and got to spend lots of time with my childhood hero Wilbur (who i shared a beer with after the victory last Saturday) My nans cat she had when i was a child was also called Wilbur. The best man at my wedding and 29 year mate Rick Butler played two league games for Centrals in 2004. Also had the privilege of playing with and against alot of blokes who went on to play league in the mid 2000's (when i was at South Gawler a bloke called Kane Officer won our colts B&F only playing 6 games for the year)

So its fair to say Centrals and the SANFL mean a fair bit to me.

I know i didnt have to post this but it has brought back some good memories and what the SANFL means to me.

[whufc]

If they come out and give a list of reasons which are valid (example they come out and say the clubs financial position is absolutely dire and we have no other choice due to an extremly substantial amount being offered, which it isnt as far as we are aware) then i would definatly take that on board and reasses my stance.

With the knowledge of the CDFC that i have i believe there is no benefit nor reason for us to accept them in the league competition. We are currently financially stable, we have major redevlopments that should provide a nice income and you would surprised at how little the Holden sponsorship is worth these days from what i have been told.

If SANFL clubs came out and gave a reason for why they say no are you going to be willing to take that on board and look at subjectively.

Of course I would take that on board. Everything that has been said so far is assumption no ones knows what is going to happen, if it's going to help clubs out or if it's going to break clubs. Do you think the CDFC or any other SANFL club will just vote yes or no because how they feel? If they don then that club needs to look at making some changes before the club is in a situation no one can help them. Every club is going to vote on the information they have and the situation their club is in and the outcome if the the AFL clubs decided to go else were.

i agree!!

[kickinit]

So you bag people for making assumptions yet openly admit you are making assumptions but seem to think that is somehow okay? Add to this you are accusing others of only wanting the best for themselves when your whole argument is based on the two AFL clubs only wanting what is best for themselves but again you seem to think that is okay. FFS you contradict yourself more than the bible does and you are calling other people muppets. As for bagging a bloke and asking him where he was before a certain period of time, how do you know how old he is?

Out of interest, in relation to why people think the SANFL will be destroyed in the same way all other leagues accepting reserves sides into their comp have been the following probably applies:

"those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

I bagged him because his assumption are apparently ok but mine are not. go back and read his post he only goes on about going to centrals games for the last 10 years.

so your saying because it's failed in the past it's going to fail again? heck if the world went by that we would still be cave men.

[rod_rooster]

So you bag people for making assumptions yet openly admit you are making assumptions but seem to think that is somehow okay? Add to this you are accusing others of only wanting the best for themselves when your whole argument is based on the two AFL clubs only wanting what is best for themselves but again you seem to think that is okay. FFS you contradict yourself more than the bible does and you are calling other people muppets. As for bagging a bloke and asking him where he was before a certain period of time, how do you know how old he is?

Out of interest, in relation to why people think the SANFL will be destroyed in the same way all other leagues accepting reserves sides into their comp have been the following probably applies:

"those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

I bagged him because his assumption are apparently ok but mine are not. go back and read his post he only goes on about going to centrals games for the last 10 years.

so your saying because it's failed in the past it's going to fail again? heck if the world went by that we would still be cave men.

I am saying that doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result is the definition of stupidity. Reserves in a league comp does not work and never will. Doesn't suit your agenda i know but that's okay. You can still argue for AFL reserves sides in the SANFL just stop arguing that it will be of benefit to the SANFL and it's clubs as a whole because it won't.

As for who has been going to the football and when, who cares. If a person is passionate does the level depend on a certain length of time? I have missed 16 games North have played since 1987. Is my credibility shot because i didn't go to game prior to then? Where does the line get drawn?

[CENTURION]

I'll still go but I still won't watch the reserves, what's the point? Only the league side ts genuinely there to win a flag.

[kickinit]

So you bag people for making assumptions yet openly admit you are making assumptions but seem to think that is somehow okay? Add to this you are accusing others of only wanting the best for themselves when your whole argument is based on the two AFL clubs only wanting what is best for themselves but again you seem to think that is okay. FFS you contradict yourself more than the bible does and you are calling other people muppets. As for bagging a bloke and asking him where he was before a certain period of time, how do you know how old he is?

Out of interest, in relation to why people think the SANFL will be destroyed in the same way all other leagues accepting reserves sides into their comp have been the following probably applies:

"those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

I bagged him because his assumption are apparently ok but mine are not. go back and read his post he only goes on about going to centrals games for the last 10 years.

so your saying because it's failed in the past it's going to fail again? heck if the world went by that we would still be cave men.

I am saying that doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result is the definition of stupidity. Reserves in a league comp does not work and never will. Doesn't suit your agenda i know but that's okay. You can still argue for AFL reserves sides in the SANFL just stop arguing that it will be of benefit to the SANFL and it's clubs as a whole because it won't.

As for who has been going to the football and when, who cares. If a person is passionate does the level depend on a certain length of time? I have missed 16 games North have played since 1987. Is my credibility shot because i didn't go to game prior to then? Where does the line get drawn?

please tell me how you know it WILL NEVER WORK.

Please tell me how you know it won't benefit the SANFL and clubs. You telling me some extra money wouldn't benefit Sturt and West?

What your failing to miss is that I asked a question to WHUFC were he was 11 years ago as he only talked about the last 10. He answered that and i'm happy with his answer. The line was drawn after he answered a question I asked, but then we have someone that wants to keep going on with it that wasn't even involved in the question in the first place.

[whufc]

Your still missing the point!

You are asking rod to answer questions, people hae done that they even used various different instances and people who have been through it to try and justify their opinion. I could find millions of quotes where people talk about learning from histories lessons

The problem is YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED anything and have used 100% assumption with no fact or instances to back up your assumption.

I think it's time you actually started to do some answering.

Pretty simple really

[Pseudo]

so your saying because it's failed in the past it's going to fail again? heck if the world went by that we would still be cave men.

On the contrary, extrapolating the results of past observations to the future is at the root of the scientific method. If homo sapiens had not started learning lessons from past actions then the race would never have descended from the trees.

Maybe the addition of AFL reserves teams wouldn't irreparably damage the competition; this is certainly conceivable. Nevertheless since it is the SANFL which stands to lose out, it makes perfect sense for the SANFL to hold out until it is convinced that the league would not be damaged.

All existing evidence - the various failed experiments of host clubs in the WAFL, the marginalisation and assimilation of the VFL by the Victorian AFL, and experiences in the NSW/QLD host leagues - suggests that the SANFL would be negatively affected by addition of AFL reserves teams.

You keep on squawking about how it might not be the case - like the whack-a-shark game in the arcades, it matters not how hard you are spanked, you'll still pop your unintelligent head up again - but those of us with the ability to learn and apply knowledge from observable reality will continue to believe otherwise.

[kickinit]

Your still missing the point!

You are asking rod to answer questions, people hae done that they even used various different instances and people who have been through it to try and justify their opinion. I could find millions of quotes where people talk about learning from histories lessons

The problem is YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED anything and have used 100% assumption with no fact or instances to back up your assumption.

I think it's time you actually started to do some answering.

Pretty simple really

whats the point no matter what I say you will never like it anyway. Port have answered your concern's but your still not happy. Like I said above the clubs can only vote on whats best for their club and the league. I'm asking rod to answer how he can guarantee that there is no possible way of it working. no one can give evidence that the only possible outcome is going to be the same as what has happened interstate. Even with the lack of supporters going to the VFL they still seem to be going pretty well, then you look at the SANFL and we have teams struggling to survive.

[LPH]

so your saying because it's failed in the past it's going to fail again? heck if the world went by that we would still be cave men.

On the contrary, extrapolating the results of past observations to the future is at the root of the scientific method. If homo sapiens had not started learning lessons from past actions then the race would never have descended from the trees.

Maybe the addition of AFL reserves teams wouldn't irreparably damage the competition; this is certainly conceivable. Nevertheless since it is the SANFL which stands to lose out, it makes perfect sense for the SANFL to hold out until it is convinced that the league would not be damaged.

All existing evidence - the various failed experiments of host clubs in the WAFL, the marginalisation and assimilation of the VFL by the Victorian AFL, and experiences in the NSW/QLD host leagues - suggests that the SANFL would be negatively affected by addition of AFL reserves teams.

You keep on squawking about how it might not be the case - like the whack-a-shark game in the arcades, it matters not how hard you are spanked, you'll still pop your unintelligent head up again - but those of us with the ability to learn and apply knowledge from observable reality will continue to believe otherwise.

***LIKE***

Sheesh, don't you get it YET kickinit?

[whufc]

Your still missing the point!

You are asking rod to answer questions, people hae done that they even used various different instances and people who have been through it to try and justify their opinion. I could find millions of quotes where people talk about learning from histories lessons

The problem is YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED anything and have used 100% assumption with no fact or instances to back up your assumption.

I think it's time you actually started to do some answering.

Pretty simple really

whats the point no matter what I say you will never like it anyway. Port have answered your concern's but your still not happy. Like I said above the clubs can only vote on whats best for their club and the league. I'm asking rod to answer how he can guarantee that there is no possible way of it working. no one can give evidence that the only possible outcome is going to be the same as what has happened interstate. Even with the lack of supporters going to the VFL they still seem to be going pretty well, then you look at the SANFL and we have teams struggling to survive.

Your living in dreamworld!!!

Do yourself a favour, get on a plane to Victoria go to a couple of VFL games involving stand alone clubs and have a chat to their supporters about how well their clubs are doing.

I can tell you i have done this and it paints a completely different picture, yes the clubs are alive but they have no soul or heart left and most will say their club would have been better off going to play in different country/amateur leagues around Victoria

[whufc]

Kickinit have a read of this, its from 2012 but is still relevant and shows how VFL supporters look up to our league.

http://vflfooty.com/node/8173

and http://vflfooty.com/node/8055 was from when there was some talk the AFL clubs were going to pull out of the VFL and start their own reserves comp.

[rod_rooster]

Your still missing the point!

You are asking rod to answer questions, people hae done that they even used various different instances and people who have been through it to try and justify their opinion. I could find millions of quotes where people talk about learning from histories lessons

The problem is YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED anything and have used 100% assumption with no fact or instances to back up your assumption.

I think it's time you actually started to do some answering.

Pretty simple really

whats the point no matter what I say you will never like it anyway. Port have answered your concern's but your still not happy. Like I said above the clubs can only vote on whats best for their club and the league. I'm asking rod to answer how he can guarantee that there is no possible way of it working. no one can give evidence that the only possible outcome is going to be the same as what has happened interstate. Even with the lack of supporters going to the VFL they still seem to be going pretty well, then you look at the SANFL and we have teams struggling to survive.

Here is why. For me (yes it's me thinking about me here) the SANFL would be ruined. It would be the end of my lifelong passion. That is why it would never work. I could not possibly imagine my league team being demeaned by being forced to play against a reserves side. Whether you like that answer or not i don't care but there it is. That to me is why it won't work. It seems quite clear that i am not on my own. And the advantage of completely alienating the core supporter base of the SANFL is to benefit two franchises.

[CENTURION]

Kickinit have a read of this, its from 2012 but is still relevant and shows how VFL supporters look up to our league.

http://vflfooty.com/node/8173

and http://vflfooty.com/node/8055 was from when there was some talk the AFL clubs were going to pull out of the VFL and start their own reserves comp.

Kickinit won't open & read that, so I'll post it for him to read.
Its interesting to see that the crowds at the Sanfl are strong however this cant be said about the VFL. The dolphins vs Werribee finals match seemed to attract more seagulls then supporters and whilst some clubs have o.k. support in the VFL some realy do struggle.

I watched the SANFl final and i was amazed at the near 30 k crowd for the grand final. I'd love to see my club play infront of 30k like they once did years ago. I'd love to see home and away crowds being 5, 6 7 k. My folks in the 70's use dto have a house near North Port oval and they said that in those days when Port would play their would be so many people walking to the ground you would think people were on the streets going to some rally/ demonstration. They would say whats going on why so many people and would quickly learn that when alot of people would walk past the house that Port was playing.

What is the VFL not doing that the SANFl is doing - why is interest in their comp so much greater than ours ? Will Port (or other VFL clubs) once again attract crowds of over 20k ? Will the kids once again wear their suburbs colours with pride - I rememebr in primary school and on the streets you would often see the youngsters wearing the great red and blue.

Apologies for the pro Port feel to the post - this post is for all who wish to comment on their opinion on the smaller crowds and what can be done to reverse this because at the end of the day supporters are a clubs life blood without them your club dies.

[drifter]

How about this
Create a South West conference for Port, Adelaide, Freo and WC reserves teams

The 2 NEAFL conferences - North and east - 18 teams

Total of 22 teams

SW conference play each other twice per season for 6 games.
And the other conference teams once -total of 24 games - no NAB cup
Play the SW games as curtain raisers to AFL

Each AFL club is aligned to 4 SANFL clubs - to choose a total of up to 20 top up players at the beginning of the season.
No more than 4 from each club, only brought in when there is a shortage . Can include. Under 18's as part of the 4

Top 6 finals - best performed from the 3 conferences

Week 1
1v6
2v 5
3v 4

2 lowest ranked losers drop out
Week 2
Prelims - highest ranked teams host
Week 3
GF

Let me know your thoughts ?