APPS

[X Runna]

it was an informative session and i think answered most of the outstanding questions that clubs had. there is no doubt some fine tuning to do but only once using it can that really happen.

this will create an interesting recruiting environment now given that clubs have no doubt started for 2011 and will need to address what their carry over points are from 2010 to then know what they have left to aim for. it's going to create a real juggling act for footy directors and coaches.

not sure how '25 games of school football' will be managed to ascertain a zero point player playing for an OS club as this would be largely unknown compared to 25 games played as a junior at a club where there would be accurate records.

As of 2011 there will be a national data base of every footballer playing from their first ever game. Their registration number will carry with them for the rest of their playing days.

This will make registrations, clearances, tribunal matters, permits, games played & clubs played for & etc, just so easy to govern.

Another brilliant inception which will help all clubs everywhere. I am quite sure the CFB had something to do with this, we may have missed out on that access too if we hadn't decided to affiliate........

[scottroo]

anyone have any idea on how the system works, eg what points are allocated for what?

[sprinttospace]

it was an informative session and i think answered most of the outstanding questions that clubs had. there is no doubt some fine tuning to do but only once using it can that really happen.

this will create an interesting recruiting environment now given that clubs have no doubt started for 2011 and will need to address what their carry over points are from 2010 to then know what they have left to aim for. it's going to create a real juggling act for footy directors and coaches.

not sure how '25 games of school football' will be managed to ascertain a zero point player playing for an OS club as this would be largely unknown compared to 25 games played as a junior at a club where there would be accurate records.

As of 2011 there will be a national data base of every footballer playing from their first ever game. Their registration number will carry with them for the rest of their playing days.

This will make registrations, clearances, tribunal matters, permits, games played & clubs played for & etc, just so easy to govern.

Another brilliant inception which will help all clubs everywhere. I am quite sure the CFB had something to do with this, we may have missed out on that access too if we hadn't decided to affiliate........

i'd be surprised if the school kids will be on that. i would have thought only if playing for a junior club.

[curlyhead]

it was an informative session and i think answered most of the outstanding questions that clubs had. there is no doubt some fine tuning to do but only once using it can that really happen.

this will create an interesting recruiting environment now given that clubs have no doubt started for 2011 and will need to address what their carry over points are from 2010 to then know what they have left to aim for. it's going to create a real juggling act for footy directors and coaches.

not sure how '25 games of school football' will be managed to ascertain a zero point player playing for an OS club as this would be largely unknown compared to 25 games played as a junior at a club where there would be accurate records.

Look at the FINES though if you get it wrong - might be another way of looking at it. Hopefully a plan has been adopted not to FINE Clubs during the first Year. With all the Fines currently in place this COULD BE a big issue. Has anyone checked on this, as sure as eggs there will be a hell of stink if Clubs are Fined immediately for getting the points wrong. Please accept my tentative acceptance of this as every Club has seen a massive increase in fines over recent years.

[Bigshow82]

Why should div 6 A Grade sides have the same amounts of allocated points as div 1 clubs? Lets be honest clubs are where they are for a reason, whether it's money (Which doesn't last for ever) or a solid club structure. The only positive it has is that it makes it real difficult for club hoppers. Going to be some good B grade sides around!!

While this may be true LK I think this opens up for the B grade comps of div 1, 2 & maybe 3 to be a gold mine for the lower divisions. There is some good footballers running around in higher teams B grade sides which would be even more attractive now to lower division A grade sides because these players if I am correct will be worth 0 points?

[teaoby]

Why should div 6 A Grade sides have the same amounts of allocated points as div 1 clubs? Lets be honest clubs are where they are for a reason, whether it's money (Which doesn't last for ever) or a solid club structure. The only positive it has is that it makes it real difficult for club hoppers. Going to be some good B grade sides around!!

While this may be true LK I think this opens up for the B grade comps of div 1, 2 & maybe 3 to be a gold mine for the lower divisions. There is some good footballers running around in higher teams B grade sides which would be even more attractive now to lower division A grade sides because these players if I am correct will be worth 0 points?

what makes someone a B-grade player. as in how many games of A-grade can you play before you start to be worth points?? is it 4 like qualifying or is majority?? obviously not a big issue but just another thing that will come up.

[Mr Beefy]

Why should div 6 A Grade sides have the same amounts of allocated points as div 1 clubs? Lets be honest clubs are where they are for a reason, whether it's money (Which doesn't last for ever) or a solid club structure. The only positive it has is that it makes it real difficult for club hoppers. Going to be some good B grade sides around!!

While this may be true LK I think this opens up for the B grade comps of div 1, 2 & maybe 3 to be a gold mine for the lower divisions. There is some good footballers running around in higher teams B grade sides which would be even more attractive now to lower division A grade sides because these players if I am correct will be worth 0 points?

what makes someone a B-grade player. as in how many games of A-grade can you play before you start to be worth points?? is it 4 like qualifying or is majority?? obviously not a big issue but just another thing that will come up.

If you played the majority of games last season in A grade then you are worth points otherwise 0

[Boosh]

it was an informative session and i think answered most of the outstanding questions that clubs had. there is no doubt some fine tuning to do but only once using it can that really happen.

this will create an interesting recruiting environment now given that clubs have no doubt started for 2011 and will need to address what their carry over points are from 2010 to then know what they have left to aim for. it's going to create a real juggling act for footy directors and coaches.

not sure how '25 games of school football' will be managed to ascertain a zero point player playing for an OS club as this would be largely unknown compared to 25 games played as a junior at a club where there would be accurate records.

I agree with Sprint and think this will be hugely beneficial to my club probably more so than Sprints as this puts the OS Clubs more in the hands of their schools and their respective football programs. I agree that there is no real records of games played in the school system as there is no registration but I assume the fact that you went to the school would be enough.

It will make the OS Clubs try to get players straight out of school as they will no longer be worth zero points once they play for another club after school if i understand correctly. So U/18 players could technically be worth zero points to two difffernet clubs.

What if the player is U/18 but has played A Grade for their local club as well as school football, are they still worth zero points if they want to play at their OS Club once they leave school/ are out of U/18's.

[bandar]

Once a player has played 25 games for a club in any grade he is deemed a 0 point player to that club the same if he is at a school and plays 25 games he is deemed 0 points to that old scholar side.

It is possible to be worth 0 to more than one club.

[aceman]

it was an informative session and i
As of 2011 there will be a national data base of every footballer playing from their first ever game. Their registration number will carry with them for the rest of their playing days.

This will make registrations, clearances, tribunal matters, permits, games played & clubs played for & etc, just so easy to govern.

Another brilliant inception which will help all clubs everywhere. I am quite sure the CFB had something to do with this, we may have missed out on that access too if we hadn't decided to affiliate........

An interesting 'aside' to this was the mention of total ban on players Australia wide when you have received a 19 games total of suspension when found guilty at tribunals.
Will make someone like Barry Hall or Steven Baker e.g who carries 15 or 16 games from the AFL and gets 6 in the country for an offence, it's the end of the road.

[turk186]

It will be interesting to see how some A grade sides shape up next season and a few tough decisions will have to made for some players who may no longer fit.

Personally i think its a system that will work and helps clubs like mine who put time and effort into developing and promoting the juniors into seniors. We are in a better position to keep them from raids by other clubs.

But the system doesnt aid clubs such as Kilburn who will struggle as a result due to the ethnicity of the surrounding suburbs that are not AFL compatible

FS I actually think your juniors become more of a target for clubs with dollars to spend because they come at 0 points there is nothing in the points system that protects a clubs top junior players from raids by clubs with big money in fact it makes them even more attractive IMO

[turk186]

Another big problem is administration..clearances dont open till FEB 2011 so you cannot with any degree of certainty plan for the number of points you may or may not have and that only leaves about 8 weeks before the season starts...if you want an exemption how long will that take to sort out....we dont even know our playing program until a week b4 we run on the park....the people at HQ are really going to have the heat put under them...and there will be mistakes and people and clubs will get frustrated and annoyed...the whole thing has been left to late by the CFB, SANFL and the SAAFL it was only 6 months ago that the CLUBS voted for a three year trial...why did we bother

IF the CFB and SAAFL are at all serious about making this work and want to help the clubs clearances should be happening yesterday

[zedman]

i agree turk..way to late to make it work for 2011..you dont rush this stuff through without giving clubs time to sort it out and work through it..should be trialled for 2011 only..and yes..what are the fines for stuffing it up..loss of points?..thousands in fines???? smells like a cluster***k and we will have to deal with it..

[Footy Smart]

How many clubs are seriously inconvenienced by this though? Not to many, i would have thought 90% would be under the 15 point mark

Turk and Zed how would your clubs points be currently?

[turk186]

FS actually I have no idea...as far as I was concerned there was a three year trial period and the club was not going to add another job to volunteer people who already give up enough time on BS admin stuff..as far as I was aware we were going to start recording the info for the 2011 season using the iscore system...based on the info we had 3 years to implement this now we have 3months and it has many many problems..we have only scratched the surface

[zedman]

How many clubs are seriously inconvenienced by this though? Not to many, i would have thought 90% would be under the 15 point mark

Turk and Zed how would your clubs points be currently?

apparently it was trialled this year LOL..my bad..thats what those numbers on team sheets were..

until i have read through it correctly i am not sure..i know this though.,.if you dont have under 18s you will fall behind..they get a minus point if they are playing in your A grade after finishing juniors..stick a few of them in and you free up another 3 points..this is speaking from a district club point of view though not OS..does everyone start from scratch now or do we carry over points already allocated in 2009 and 2010?

[turk186]

yes ZED point from july 2009..... a bit like the life ban issue...its backdated

and we were TRIALLING it in 2010 there was no requirement in fact the delegates voted for a three year trial earlier in 2010 but that was just a WOFTAM

[Footy Smart]

from the Country board

Clever Dick wrote:
I'm hearing big brother will lay down the law to the amateur clubs on the points system at a meeting to be held in November. It will be 'do as I say" or else you can disaffiliate which will cost you around $120K per season in lost revenue.
So clubs will each need to find $2K extra per season if that happens. I wonder what will happen?

unsure of figures or if this is completely factual however i heard it was the fact that SAAFL couldnt $$ not to support it

[X Runna]

Respectfully..........I would suggest if you have any concerns about it, speak to your club delegate.

There is a lot of guessing going on here, and most of it is off the mark.

[curlyhead]

Respectfully..........I would suggest if you have any concerns about it, speak to your club delegate.

There is a lot of guessing going on here, and most of it is off the mark.

Respectfully.....................many Clubs send someone to these meetings, who does not want to be there and is sent by their Club as no one else wants to go...........so checking with the Delegate in many instances is never always the answer. Anyway this is not set in stone as yet and apparently still too be voted upon, which gives some hope to it being overturned, although this appears unlikely. It would appear that Big Brother has told the SAAFL what to do and this is going to be accepted. The Financial impost on the SAAFL would be severely put under strain if they do not toe the line according to sources