Relegation in the HFL

[Afterthesiren]

My understanding is that Loby did indeed ask for $20k from the HFL.

I heard the same thing from a HFL official.

[aceman]

It would now be the ideal time to put the Constitution changes into place, include the Promotion/relegation system and 'bingo', your annual problems are over.
Using Junior results to dictate if a club is promoted or relegated is either archaic or stupid, or maybe both!

[Afterthesiren]

At last someone has gone on here to speak some sense and drown out the dribble ATS is putting forward.
ATS, if you had a clue you would understand the decision to try to stay in central div has nothing to do with pride - it is about trying to provide the best available comp to ALL of our players and putting a platform in place to build a succesful club. Last night the HFL board and clubs laughed in the face of that which is disappointing, yet predictable.
All I can say is I hope the central div clubs enjoy the bye for their U13's next year - with TV not even needing to field that team in 2011.
Gary will probably go out and buy that grade as well though so it may not be a problem.


For everyones info, the vote went 16 to 4 in favour of keeping a 10 team central div.[/quote]

Of course you want to stay in Central Div Gimp... I can understand that. What I'm saying is that you are not good enough to be playing in it at the moment and neither are Lobethal. The unfortunate thing is relegation is in at the moment and someone has to go down. If you want to build a successful club you need to put strategies in place for now and in the future particularly at senior level. You've had three years to do that but unfortunately you've failed.
After speaking with someone who was at the meeting last night I doubt very much the HFL and clubs were laughable about the matter. Clearly common sense prevailed over selfishness.
Not sure where your going with TV U13s as they sit a top of the ladder in Country Div at the moment and from what I hear they already have good numbers for next season. I guess they have some good strategies in place hey Gimp even if some of it is well funded.

[false]

At last someone has gone on here to speak some sense and drown out the dribble ATS is putting forward.
ATS, if you had a clue you would understand the decision to try to stay in central div has nothing to do with pride - it is about trying to provide the best available comp to ALL of our players and putting a platform in place to build a succesful club. Last night the HFL board and clubs laughed in the face of that which is disappointing, yet predictable.
All I can say is I hope the central div clubs enjoy the bye for their U13's next year - with TV not even needing to field that team in 2011.
Gary will probably go out and buy that grade as well though so it may not be a problem.


For everyones info, the vote went 16 to 4 in favour of keeping a 10 team central div.

Of course you want to stay in Central Div Gimp... I can understand that. What I'm saying is that you are not good enough to be playing in it at the moment and neither are Lobethal. The unfortunate thing is relegation is in at the moment and someone has to go down. If you want to build a successful club you need to put strategies in place for now and in the future particularly at senior level. You've had three years to do that but unfortunately you've failed.
After speaking with someone who was at the meeting last night I doubt very much the HFL and clubs were laughable about the matter. Clearly common sense prevailed over selfishness.
Not sure where your going with TV U13s as they sit a top of the ladder in Country Div at the moment and from what I hear they already have good numbers for next season. I guess they have some good strategies in place hey Gimp even if some of it is well funded.[/quote]

i get what your saying but i suppose from my point of view is that every team at some point isn't good enough and struggles. Look at Mt Lofty a few years back. I'm not sure how their juniors were but i know their A grade was a joke. Now we're in Central trying to build towards success and it's bound to go up and down... the huge problem with us going down is it will basically put us down to square one again. Those players and junior families who want to play in a higher div will move on and we'll have to rebuild again. We're also a club that is progressive and moving foward in terms of development and facilities.
We've had success and strong development. We've won as many games as Bridgy in the A's, we missed out on finals but 2 games last year as well as a 17's flag...
Birdwood will be back... you can rest assured of that...

[Look Good In Leather]

I heard the 'special general meeting' went well for 90 percent of the clubs. Apparently the vote was in massive favour of the 10 team competition for Central Div. Good to see common sense prevail. Sounds like the notion that 'all clubs' were aware and understood the conditions of relegation was further clarified. Now let's hope common sense prevails and Birdwood accept the fact they will be playing Country Div football in 2011. Alternatively they can try a legal battle but the cost of that would do more damage financially. Yes... Birdwood might get free legal rep but if the cards don't fall in their favour they would have to pay court costs... Ouch. How do you pay the players? I can't see why they don't swallow their pride and return to Country to rebuild. Birdwood is now fast becoming the most disliked club in the HFL. It's harsh because I think two clubs should be relegated given their current on field performances but that's the rules we 'AGREED' to.

ATS you've really had a crack at Birdwood through this entire debate, I don't think they've done anything surprising ie try and stay in the best comp possible - considering they went out on a limb entering the central div a few years ago, for their juniors, I'd say they've been vindicated in that move by taking out U/17.5 flag last year, to be now heading back down and having to face a sub standard (junior) comp I'd be fighting hard to stay too. Good on them I'd say.

The country div junior comp is the real problem here, too many clubs struggle to fill sides leaving many gaps in the draw and if they do get a game up it's usually lop sided, I don't think any club wanting to promote their kids (if they've got them in the first place) would want to line up in that div. That's not a slur on the club's there, more a recognition that small towns eg Gumeracha, callington etc will struggle to fill teams 'cos they don't have the population.

Birdwood (and Lobethal) I'd suggest are more worried about this perspective than their senior teams - at least with TV playing central most country clubs can back off with their player payments and more local boys will get a game - not a bad move I'd say.

The other side of the coin, however, is that adding Birdwood to the Country Div may help the junior competition there (as another strong junior club is added to the mix). Is it not better to have viable junior comps across the board rather than looking after 10 clubs and letting the rest fend for themselves?

[FairDinkum]

Sorry I may have missed something, but the HFL were going to give Lobethal 20k for what?
Or Lobethal were looking for 20k, on what basis, is it available to everyone?
This throws up some very interesting info HFL handing out money.

Just checking, it's not April the 1st, classic though for a Tuesday funny.

[Jardarf]

So can someone post a copy of the current relegation ladder as it stands? I recall people saying it's not the club shield ladder in 'the final siren' which only makes it more confusing to keep track of who's going where next year.

[Joe Blow]

Good news that the central comp remains at 10 teams - that retains the integrity of the league. What the HFL board now need do is put a very simple relegation process in place and at the same time drop sedan and callington to C grade to let them be competative and also make the country div a more level 8 team comp. I do feel sorry for Birdwood as Lobethal are quite clearly the worst club and will be again next year. They have shown absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise at this stage, apart from asking the HFL for a cash handout to buy players - $20k I believe. Will be interesting to see if the HFL nomnate Birdwood or Loby in the 10 team comp in 2011.Will be an interseting AGM in december one would suggest.

Can someone please tell me what this means? Does this mean the hfl can decide to relegate loby instead of birdwood? But everyone has to wait until december to find out. Surely this can't be right?

[humour me]

Loby asking the league for a $20K hand out. Absolute rubbish, like just about every Loby bashing post that President hasbeen has put on this forum over the past couple of years. Haven't heard anything as ridiculous posted even on this site which is often filled with uninformed dribble. The footy gods will look very harshly on you hasbeen for blatant lies.

[Tanka]

Good news that the central comp remains at 10 teams - that retains the integrity of the league. What the HFL board now need do is put a very simple relegation process in place and at the same time drop sedan and callington to C grade to let them be competative and also make the country div a more level 8 team comp. I do feel sorry for Birdwood as Lobethal are quite clearly the worst club and will be again next year. They have shown absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise at this stage, apart from asking the HFL for a cash handout to buy players - $20k I believe. Will be interesting to see if the HFL nomnate Birdwood or Loby in the 10 team comp in 2011.Will be an interseting AGM in december one would suggest.

Can someone please tell me what this means? Does this mean the hfl can decide to relegate loby instead of birdwood? But everyone has to wait until december to find out. Surely this can't be right?

If 11 teams nominate for a 10 team competition the HFL board nominates which teams will be in the comp based on the rules and regs in the Constitution.

[Justquietly]

i get what your saying but i suppose from my point of view is that every team at some point isn't good enough and struggles. Look at Mt Lofty a few years back. I'm not sure how their juniors were but i know their A grade was a joke. Now we're in Central trying to build towards success and it's bound to go up and down... the huge problem with us going down is it will basically put us down to square one again. Those players and junior families who want to play in a higher div will move on and we'll have to rebuild again. We're also a club that is progressive and moving foward in terms of development and facilities.
We've had success and strong development. We've won as many games as Bridgy in the A's, we missed out on finals but 2 games last year as well as a 17's flag...
Birdwood will be back... you can rest assured of that...[/quote]
If you're referring specifically about the 50 goal loss to Lobey, fair enough. But I played when we struggled and to call us a joke I find pretty rough. There were undoubtedly a few years of genuine bare patches, but you haven't achieved any more in the 3 years that you've been in Central than we did in our poor times. Oh hang on, you're 'building' towards something...
Our juniors have been consistently strong, quite a few senior colt flags. Even in the lean times, we were out there (a lot of the players) assisting in getting the light towers done and that contributed to some great spectacles that brought $$ into the club. A president that really got sh$t done helped immensely too. Admittedly, we weren't facing relegation and I feel for whichever club goes down, however you knew that any team could be facing this come September.

[Afterthesiren]

Good news that the central comp remains at 10 teams - that retains the integrity of the league. What the HFL board now need do is put a very simple relegation process in place and at the same time drop sedan and callington to C grade to let them be competative and also make the country div a more level 8 team comp. I do feel sorry for Birdwood as Lobethal are quite clearly the worst club and will be again next year. They have shown absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise at this stage, apart from asking the HFL for a cash handout to buy players - $20k I believe. Will be interesting to see if the HFL nomnate Birdwood or Loby in the 10 team comp in 2011.Will be an interseting AGM in december one would suggest.

Can someone please tell me what this means? Does this mean the hfl can decide to relegate loby instead of birdwood? But everyone has to wait until december to find out. Surely this can't be right?

If 11 teams nominate for a 10 team competition the HFL board nominates which teams will be in the comp based on the rules and regs in the Constitution.

Under the by-laws and the current points system it will be Birdwood to be relegated. Info has it they will be fighting to stay in Central regardless. Pretty stubborn and may do more damage than good as this could drag out right up to December. Taking that into consideration can you imagine trying to recruit players not knowing which division you're in. Let alone trying to retain your current contracted players. Then trying to drag things through legal lines. Looks like the HFL has at least 16 clubs as witnesses to state every club knew relegation was in place and all were clear on the process. Wow... this could actually break Birdwood's back. One would probably think smart on the matter and return to Country for a year or two then try Central again.

[The Panther]

Correct me if i wrong , but from what i have been informed is that if a club is relegated, due to the rules of promotion they will spend a minimum of TWO years in country division.
The reason being is a club must compete in a country division grand final before they can nominate for promotion. Therefore the relegated club must go back into country division and make the grand final then nominate for promotion then compete for another year in country division.

[The Panther]

One more thing : Why is promotion from country division based purely on the A grade making the grand final ( and being able to field all required sides ) , yet the central division relegation is based on four grades including junior teams. Seems as if there is a lack of consistency in the rules.

[Afterthesiren]

Correct me if i wrong , but from what i have been informed is that if a club is relegated, due to the rules of promotion they will spend a minimum of TWO years in country division.
The reason being is a club must compete in a country division grand final before they can nominate for promotion. Therefore the relegated club must go back into country division and make the grand final then nominate for promotion then compete for another year in country division.

This is what will change Panther at the next AGM. From what I understand clubs will be looking to change the process. Yes... a club will need to at least make the Grand Final and upon doing this will then be eligible to be promoted to Central providing they can fill the required sides. This is what a lot of clubs will support but the question is how will the points system be based for the relegated team. Some are of the opinion it should be based just on A grade results or both A & B. Yet others still think the colts should be included. There are good arguments for both. Personally I'd prefer to see it based on A & B grade results only. Time will tell.

[Afterthesiren]

Has Birdwood pursued the Barossa League for 2011?

[false]

Has Birdwood pursued the Barossa League for 2011?

No

[Bat Pad]

Does anyone have an updated relegation table? Don't think either Birdwood or Lobethal scored any points on the weekend.

[Joe Blow]

Does anyone have an updated relegation table? Don't think either Birdwood or Lobethal scored any points on the weekend.

I don't think it matters. Birdwood are too far behind to catch up anyway.

[aceman]

Has Birdwood pursued the Barossa League for 2011?

No

Are you 100% sure ?