Relegation in the HFL

[aceman]

That wont work because most clubs in Country div do not want to play Central Div. Eg Meadows and Kersbrook who were asked to come up in recent years

And their reasons were??????????
I would have thought with the success Kersbrook have recently had, it would be a greater challenge for them or do we have the "big fish in small pond" mentality?

[HB_Flanker]

That wont work because most clubs in Country div do not want to play Central Div. Eg Meadows and Kersbrook who were asked to come up in recent years

And their reasons were??????????
I would have thought with the success Kersbrook have recently had, it would be a greater challenge for them or do we have the "big fish in small pond" mentality?

If you took the time to find out the facts rather than pontificate from afar you would know that to be in Central a club has to commit to having Junior and senior colts. Kersbrook had neither Junior or senior colts a couple of seasons back and have no senior colts now. Their Junior grades in 9,11,12's are all ok but they had a period where although they were winning in seniors they couldnt field Junior sides. How could a club that doesnt have a lot of money and has no Junior's coming through consider that they could compete long term in Central.

[Tanka]

I've been told the 11 team draw for Central Div 2011 is an absolute farce. There's no way this should happen to service a side thats not up to the standard. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

ATS you are such a negative d!ck sometimes........... This is exactly the problem the whole competition is having.... Central Div is not broke now so why are we trying to fix it... TV as a whole club are not dominating Country Div it is just their A Grade and that is for one reason only. They are not a strong club and are by no means united in coming up. There are many there who do not want to join Central. We know the A Grade will be competitive, but don't even know if they can guarantee 5 teams. What happens if they can't field a colts side next year??? Oh thats right we will take your option and deal with it then.....

[sound4]

I've been told the 11 team draw for Central Div 2011 is an absolute farce. There's no way this should happen to service a side thats not up to the standard. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

ATS you are such a negative d!ck sometimes........... This is exactly the problem the whole competition is having.... Central Div is not broke now so why are we trying to fix it... TV as a whole club are not dominating Country Div it is just their A Grade and that is for one reason only. They are not a strong club and are by no means united in coming up. There are many there who do not want to join Central. We know the A Grade will be competitive, but don't even know if they can guarantee 5 teams. What happens if they can't field a colts side next year??? Oh thats right we will take your option and deal with it then.....

[aceman]

That wont work because most clubs in Country div do not want to play Central Div. Eg Meadows and Kersbrook who were asked to come up in recent years

And their reasons were??????????
I would have thought with the success Kersbrook have recently had, it would be a greater challenge for them or do we have the "big fish in small pond" mentality?

If you took the time to find out the facts rather than pontificate from afar you would know that to be in Central a club has to commit to having Junior and senior colts. Kersbrook had neither Junior or senior colts a couple of seasons back and have no senior colts now. Their Junior grades in 9,11,12's are all ok but they had a period where although they were winning in seniors they couldnt field Junior sides. How could a club that doesnt have a lot of money and has no Junior's coming through consider that they could compete long term in Central.

You seem to have the answers, maybe you could put your energies into helping solve the issues surrounding the HFL at the moment with a couple of clubs. You will no doubt train there next year for a few weeks.

[FairDinkum]

Beautifully put Tanka.
In think you hit the nail on the head.

[Afterthesiren]

I've been told the 11 team draw for Central Div 2011 is an absolute farce. There's no way this should happen to service a side thats not up to the standard. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

ATS you are such a negative d!ck sometimes........... This is exactly the problem the whole competition is having.... Central Div is not broke now so why are we trying to fix it... TV as a whole club are not dominating Country Div it is just their A Grade and that is for one reason only. They are not a strong club and are by no means united in coming up. There are many there who do not want to join Central. We know the A Grade will be competitive, but don't even know if they can guarantee 5 teams. What happens if they can't field a colts side next year??? Oh thats right we will take your option and deal with it then.....

Gee... There's no need to resort to name calling champ, shows a lack of intelligence. From what I see TV are in the five through all grades and seem quite strong. I understand they are well funded at the moment but that could last the next 5-10 years for all we know. Surely they deserve the opportunity to give central div a crack, much like Birdwood. I'm sure there will always be people around a club who wish to stay in the comfort zone and remain in country div. I would say this would be a minority though after speaking with some TV supporters and players. And one person doesn't make a decision it would be a committee decision. So why should we go to an 11 team comp and delay the inevitable for the following year to suit one club alone. Not really done in the best interests of the league is it.

[aceman]

I've been told the 11 team draw for Central Div 2011 is an absolute farce. There's no way this should happen to service a side thats not up to the standard. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

ATS you are such a negative d!ck sometimes........... This is exactly the problem the whole competition is having.... Central Div is not broke now so why are we trying to fix it... TV as a whole club are not dominating Country Div it is just their A Grade and that is for one reason only. They are not a strong club and are by no means united in coming up. There are many there who do not want to join Central. We know the A Grade will be competitive, but don't even know if they can guarantee 5 teams. What happens if they can't field a colts side next year??? Oh thats right we will take your option and deal with it then.....

Gee... There's no need to resort to name calling champ, shows a lack of intelligence. From what I see TV are in the five through all grades and seem quite strong. I understand they are well funded at the moment but that could last the next 5-10 years for all we know. Surely they deserve the opportunity to give central div a crack, much like Birdwood. I'm sure there will always be people around a club who wish to stay in the comfort zone and remain in country div. I would say this would be a minority though after speaking with some TV supporters and players. And one person doesn't make a decision it would be a committee decision. So why should we go to an 11 team comp and delay the inevitable for the following year to suit one club alone. Not really done in the best interests of the league is it.

Checkmate!

[sound4]

Geez ATS, is GH paying you to post all this garbage!

My understanding is there is presently a 10 team HFL Central Division competition - the maximum of teams allowed - after Birdwood moved into Central (after all Country Div teams - including TV - were offered the same opportunity but declined). Therefore, any 11 team competition is only possible if the By-laws are amended.

The By-laws also state that a Country Division team can apply to go up but nowhere does it state that, even if accepted, they therefore are definitely playing Central the following year. Therefore, I believe the HFL has every right to not let TV play since we already have a 10 team competition and for other reasons which I will detail below.

While the By-laws sets out some sort of points system presumably used for both promotion and relegation, nowhere in the By-laws does it set out the processes in which team is actually relegated - it litertally says nothing on it. For all we know it could be the team with the most points that should has to be relegated (although clearly it wouldn't) - but that is exactly what is the problem here - there is absolutely no guidance on the matter and I believe Birdwood has every right to stay in Central Division until a promotion / relegation system is properly sorted out in the By-laws or Constitution. This is not just for Birdwood's own sake but for the whole league's sake - it will set a precedent for every club that will last for supposedly many years and it needs to be done right!
Rant over lol

[Afterthesiren]

Your kidding aren't you mate. To start with I have no affiliation with TV or GH. If this was such a big issue why wasn't it bought up before the season started? All clubs were aware of what the rules were for promo/releg and noone complained about it, til now when the reality sets in that a club is going down. You could pick the crap out of any constitution and find holes. This hole issue is ridiculous and shouldn't be happening. If your club isn't up to it through all grades you get relegated. Too bad - so sad. Bye bye. By the way I'm from a central div club.

[sound4]

Your kidding aren't you mate. To start with I have no affiliation with TV or GH. If this was such a big issue why wasn't it bought up before the season started? All clubs were aware of what the rules were for promo/releg and noone complained about it, til now when the reality sets in that a club is going down. You could pick the crap out of any constitution and find holes. This hole issue is ridiculous and shouldn't be happening. If your club isn't up to it through all grades you get relegated. Too bad - so sad. Bye bye. By the way I'm from a central div club.

Mate, it was a joke about GH paying you haha. Take a chill pill!

I am not finding holes - this is like a crater. The constiution is there for a reason, it sets the rule and guidelines for how the HFL is run. The promotion / relegation issue is NOT EVEN MENTIONED in the Constitution and the By-laws provide no detail in the process of promotion / relegation only provides some stupid points system which can't even be implemented.

Birdwood or any other club, by following the rules that guide the HFL and every other club in it, have a right to stay in Central until the Constitution and the By-laws say otherwise. It is so obvious ATS do you not understand?

You can't just say you are not up too standard so therefore goodbye. Otherwise Birdwood would not have lasted their first year and Lobethal would have been relegated three times over, Lofty would have been back in Country years ago. There are rules for a reason ATS so get over it. I am sure your tune would be different if it was your club in the firing line - whatever that club may be.

[Afterthesiren]

So let me understand this... You agree on the promo/releg process before the season started in December. Now things haven't gone your way you wanna fight it. Bit selfish don't you think.

[The Gimp]

So let me understand this... You agree on the promo/releg process before the season started in December. Now things haven't gone your way you wanna fight it. Bit selfish don't you think.

Seriously, read the minutes from the adjourned AGM in Feb and then make a call if the clubs were 100% clear on how the "so-called" system was going to work.
Obviously you can talk on behalf of all clubs to say they all 100% understood the system, hence why there was clarification seeked.
Also, there was no vote or show of hands, saying all the clubs were clear as has been mentioned - otehrwise a vote like this would've been minuted.

[sound4]

So let me understand this... You agree on the promo/releg process before the season started in December. Now things haven't gone your way you wanna fight it. Bit selfish don't you think.

I never said I agreed to promotion / relegation before the start of the season. These are my own opinions, not those of the Birdwood Football Club. I have only formed this opinion since I read the Constiution and by-laws back to front. I believe the HFL needs to get this issue right to set a precedent for all clubs because I'm sure if Birdwood get relegated and finish in top two in Country, they will be applying to come straight back up and then another club will just have to go through all this nonsense. If the HFL does not change its by-laws with respect to this matter, I hope it is your club ATS that is in the firing line so you can finally see how ridiculous this is.

[Cougar]

That wont work because most clubs in Country div do not want to play Central Div. Eg Meadows and Kersbrook who were asked to come up in recent years

And their reasons were??????????
I would have thought with the success Kersbrook have recently had, it would be a greater challenge for them or do we have the "big fish in small pond" mentality?

The greater challenge for Kersbrook ATM Aceman is to get Juniors and keep them. And while the Brookers have enjoyed a couple of flags recently, they were hardly overwhelming favourites for both titles, in fact probably quite the opposite.

[Afterthesiren]

So let me understand this... You agree on the promo/releg process before the season started in December. Now things haven't gone your way you wanna fight it. Bit selfish don't you think.

I never said I agreed to promotion / relegation before the start of the season. These are my own opinions, not those of the Birdwood Football Club. I have only formed this opinion since I read the Constiution and by-laws back to front. I believe the HFL needs to get this issue right to set a precedent for all clubs because I'm sure if Birdwood get relegated and finish in top two in Country, they will be applying to come straight back up and then another club will just have to go through all this nonsense. If the HFL does not change its by-laws with respect to this matter, I hope it is your club ATS that is in the firing line so you can finally see how ridiculous this is.

Well all clubs agreed and were aware of relegation back in December. So there is no issue relegation is in, done and dusted.

[shake'n'bake]

ATS i am in complete agreeance with everything your saying! Everyone knew what was on the line, some clubs chose to go out recruit and ensure they were not going to get relegated. Others sat back hoped someone was worse than them and it wouldn't be their problem...

logistically an 11 team comp will be a nightmare, it would be sad to see Birdwood go down but surely like the birdwood supporters on here are saying it would be a matter of regrouping, working hard over the off season and then returning one year later... The only thing i disagree with, with the entire promo/releg system is the fact juniors are involved... I think clubs should have to fill all junior grades but to have kids playing for a clubs survival is absolutely outrageous and against everything junior footy stands for!

we also need to keep in mind that an 11 team div 1 could come close to being the demise of the HFL. If you take another team out of country div and we lose callington and/ or sedan cambrai we could end up with one division like the southern league and completely diminish the standard of the HFL as a whole.

[sound4]

ATS i am in complete agreeance with everything your saying! Everyone knew what was on the line, some clubs chose to go out recruit and ensure they were not going to get relegated. Others sat back hoped someone was worse than them and it wouldn't be their problem...

logistically an 11 team comp will be a nightmare, it would be sad to see Birdwood go down but surely like the birdwood supporters on here are saying it would be a matter of regrouping, working hard over the off season and then returning one year later... The only thing i disagree with, with the entire promo/releg system is the fact juniors are involved... I think clubs should have to fill all junior grades but to have kids playing for a clubs survival is absolutely outrageous and against everything junior footy stands for!

we also need to keep in mind that an 11 team div 1 could come close to being the demise of the HFL. If you take another team out of country div and we lose callington and/ or sedan cambrai we could end up with one division like the southern league and completely diminish the standard of the HFL as a whole.

My understanding is there would only be an 11 team competition for one year while the HFL sorts out the promotion / relegation system e.g writing it into the consitution and by-laws, so in my opinion it would be highly unlikely it would be the demise of the HFL.

Agree with you wholeheartedly on the juniors there shake n bake. whilst it is obviously important teams competing in Centrals have all junior teams, whether your team gets relegated should not be decided in part by how good your juniors are. Purely A's and B's I reckon but it won't happen that away

[aceman]

ATS i am in complete agreeance with everything your saying! Everyone knew what was on the line, some clubs chose to go out recruit and ensure they were not going to get relegated. Others sat back hoped someone was worse than them and it wouldn't be their problem...

logistically an 11 team comp will be a nightmare, it would be sad to see Birdwood go down but surely like the birdwood supporters on here are saying it would be a matter of regrouping, working hard over the off season and then returning one year later... The only thing i disagree with, with the entire promo/releg system is the fact juniors are involved... I think clubs should have to fill all junior grades but to have kids playing for a clubs survival is absolutely outrageous and against everything junior footy stands for!we also need to keep in mind that an 11 team div 1 could come close to being the demise of the HFL. If you take another team out of country div and we lose callington and/ or sedan cambrai we could end up with one division like the southern league and completely diminish the standard of the HFL as a whole.

Hit the nail fair and square on the head! Bordering on stupidity to even contemplate!

[Afterthesiren]

Aceman - An 11 team comp for one year sets a precedant for those clubs who wanna whinge, sook and challenge constitutions. What would be next? A 12 team comp? It's bordering on insanity. I agree with shake n bake, if we go down this path we will be mimicking the southern football league. That in itself would be a sad day for Hills Football and if it happens I'd be pointing the finger directly at Birdwood and Lobethal.