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Backing up data

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:10 pm
by Dissident
Hey all

Overall, we run the gauntlet when it comes to our data. Home computers/laptops, and portable devices, contain a myriad of data files that we really do consider important. Some things, like movies, or TV shows - we can do without. Things like that can be downloaded again. But other files are extremely valuable to us; photos, home videos and documents.

I am by no means an expert in all of this, but I have had some experience in data backup/recovery, and have lost data of my own. This is just my view on things.

It might seem overkill, but we really need to look at different scenarios. What if your hard drive dies? What if your computer is stolen? What if your computer, and everything else in your study/office is stolen? What if you have a house fire and lose everything you own? In each of those situations, what have you lost? Where do you get it back from?

Tip 1: Imagine different scenarios, and imagine what you lose in each one.

At worst, you should have a copy of important files somewhere. Burning DVDs or having an external HDD is the minimum you should have. After this, you should then think about where you store that backup. In the same room? In another room? At someone elses house? All good (and progressively better) options.

Tip 2: Consider an "off-site" backup for photos, documents etc

So you have a backup HDD, and leave it at someone elses house. Then, their house is broken into, and it's stolen. Who has your data? Not you - and not your friend. Was the data secured? Encrypted? Anything? Whilst having the data outside of your house is a great idea- it's less secure.

Tip 3: Discover ways to encrypt your data, especially if it's not going to sit in your control/reach

Organisation is paramount in backing up - having all your data in a logical format and structure on your computer makes backing up a lot easier. Naming files and folders so you can see quickly what they are, and then structuring the folders in a clever way means that finding data is simple - and if it's simple to find data on your computer, it's simple to find it on a backup.

Tip 4: Arrange and organise your localised data

You can't have too many backups. Obviously you need to work out security, and manageability, but in essence, ten copies of something is better than zero. So how else can you cover yourself? The answer is probably online backups. There are many options for this, some good, some bad, some cheap and some expensive. The idea is that you have a private "cloud" (I hate that word) where you can backup data, and restore from. I love this method, as it covers me in the event that my entire suburb is blown up (and I survive). In that event, I can get anything back I want and haven't lost a thing. And, it doesn't have to cost a lot.

Recently, I've tried a few different companies for this. DropBox was one I initially tried, and it was really good. Simple and effective, you could backup data and restore it quite easily. You could sync data over many decides too. But it was restrictive in many ways, so I moved on to Sugarsync.

Sugarsync is awesome. I can have it installed on my work computer, home computer and laptop - as well as my smart phone. I can set a folder (akin to My Documents) which, if I copy things into, will be replicated on all devices I set it to. On top of this, I can backup data to my cloud for later retrieval. How much does it cost? Well,t he free account on Sugarsync give you 5 Gb of space which can be increased if you perform certain tasks (install it on a mobile device, for example).

And, if you like the service, you can upgrade to 30Gb of data - which is plenty for most people to backup every photo they have ever taken along with a copious amount of other personal data. that costs you $4.99USD a month, or $50 a year. As good as the price of a cup of coffee each month for the benefit of having your personal photos and information backed up securely, and at your finger tips.

Online backups have a heap of other features too - a lot to worry about here - but when you look into email attachment saving, file sharing, social media posting and other cool things, it makes it a simple decision.

Tip 5: Strongly consider ONLINE BACKUPS.

On a side note, if you are interested in Sugarsync, let me recommend you. If you sign up from my referral, you receive 500Mb extra, and so do I. If you then sign up for a paid account ($5 a month), we both receive TEN GIG extra. No, I am not posting this to get you to all sign up, and to be honest, as much as extra space is nice, it's that cheap anyway - but I figure share and share alike. Shoot me your email if you'd like a referral. Alternatively, refer each other - and benefit from the 10Gb bonus. to see a quick video on backups/sugarsync, check out the video here : https://www.sugarsync.com (click on the "Watch a video" link)



In summary - back your shit up. No one wants to lose data, especially photos from ten years ago, or your important business documents. Those things are priceless, and whilst you can always get tv programs, software, movies etc back - some things can't be replaced.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:22 pm
by Q.
$50 a year? Cheaper than a portable hard drive!

Have just been collating photos and data from a couple of hard drives so this is a timely nugget of info. PM on it's way...

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:29 pm
by Hondo
Yeah, that's a great tip ... online backups. Backups are something I keep meaning to do something about but then forget to do.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:33 pm
by smac
I had a hard drive that started dying so now all of my backups are in a folder named "hard drive" on the desktop. Works well. :oops:

Thanks for the nudge, Diss!

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:54 pm
by Psyber
I have an external USB hot swap box and a couple of HDDs I alternate in it.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:53 pm
by kickinit
I keep DVD stored in the safe with really important stuff I need. Also run an external HD. On the Mac I run time machine which will backup your computer for you. You just setup how often you want to back it up. The first time takes a bit to backup depending how much you have on your computer but after that it just backs what is new and is pretty quick. As I don't run windows anymore I'm sure they do offer something similar and would strongly recommend using it does save a heap of time and a little bit of peace of mind.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:17 pm
by Punk Rooster
I have been using Dropbox, but will look at utilising Sugarsync.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:20 pm
by Dissident
Dropbox is great - but basic. It's good for a simple-type use.
I didn't find the app very good (though that was a year ago)
Sharing between users is far nicer with SS, as is backing data up in general (that you don't want to sync)

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:47 pm
by Dissident
SugarSync is offering 50% off the yearly cost, so $25USD for 12 months, awesome value.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:47 pm
by dedja
all good advice but one important consideration in using online (cloud) backups is the hit to your ISP data allowance ... don't forget to factor that into the equation.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:59 am
by Dissident
Most accounts are quite high on their download/upload quotas these days, not as much an issue

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:22 am
by Dog_ger
I like to keep it private. :oops:

I like to keep it safe. :D

External hard drives only for me. ;)

Can you trust a cloud 100% :shock:

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:13 am
by Westsider
What if your hard drive fails?

What if someone untoward breaks in and steals your computer and harddrives?

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:51 pm
by Dissident
Dog_ger wrote:I like to keep it private. :oops:

I like to keep it safe. :D

External hard drives only for me. ;)

Can you trust a cloud 100% :shock:


Quite within your rights to do whatever you want.

Do I trust my backup solution? Definitely.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:52 pm
by Dissident
Westsider wrote:What if your hard drive fails?

What if someone untoward breaks in and steals your computer and harddrives?


Someone untoward ... or WESTSIDER! Just to make a point to you!

I'll bail you out ;)

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:08 pm
by dedja
Dissident wrote:Most accounts are quite high on their download/upload quotas these days, not as much an issue


it is when your ISP relies on Telstra wholesale to deliver you a service and isn't allowed to put their own kit into the exchange ... 60GB on a 1.5Mb/256Kb plan doesn't go far these days.

I have about 30GB of critical data, so even if I use differential backups it would still take ages and chew up a reasonable chunk of data.

Bring on the NBN ...

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:30 pm
by Westsider
Dissident wrote:
Westsider wrote:What if your hard drive fails?

What if someone untoward breaks in and steals your computer and harddrives?


Someone untoward ... or WESTSIDER! Just to make a point to you!

I'll bail you out ;)


Cheers ;)

Holden Hill Police Station at 4.30am Saturday thanks lol

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:59 pm
by Dissident
dedja wrote:
Dissident wrote:Most accounts are quite high on their download/upload quotas these days, not as much an issue


it is when your ISP relies on Telstra wholesale to deliver you a service and isn't allowed to put their own kit into the exchange ... 60GB on a 1.5Mb/256Kb plan doesn't go far these days.

I have about 30GB of critical data, so even if I use differential backups it would still take ages and chew up a reasonable chunk of data.

Bring on the NBN ...


My differential backups are extremely small - most data I've backing up consists of photos, which don't change. So it's only for documents etc that I need to backup which, don't change much at all.

And, I've staggered the backup process so it doesn't pound my connection :)

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:40 pm
by RustyCage
Another reason to back everything up...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8369163/images-of-deceased-son-on-stolen-camera

A family is devastated after thieves stole a digital and video camera that contain the only images of their recently deceased son.

The thieves stole several items from the Delahey home, in Melbourne's north, on October 25.

They included the Nikon digital camera and Sony video camera containing the images of the victims' son, who died following a long battle with illness.

Re: Backing up data

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:52 pm
by Psyber
dedja wrote:
Dissident wrote:Most accounts are quite high on their download/upload quotas these days, not as much an issue
it is when your ISP relies on Telstra wholesale to deliver you a service and isn't allowed to put their own kit into the exchange ... 60GB on a 1.5Mb/256Kb plan doesn't go far these days.
I have about 30GB of critical data, so even if I use differential backups it would still take ages and chew up a reasonable chunk of data.
Bring on the NBN ...
My total back up package is just under 24GB and my speed is usually 6.4Mbps at my distance from the exchange. So it would take a while..
Normally I only download about 3GB a month so I only have a 10GB plan.