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Re: NBN

Postby Sky Pilot » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:48 pm

I've got no faaaarking idea what you blokes are on about. I use the Telstra USB wireless gizmo at $39/month and it does everything I want fast and efficiently. Plugs into my laptop and travels with me. I think I get 6Gb/month and have never used it up. So if NBN ever came my street I dunno why I'd need it.
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Re: NBN

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:54 pm

We obviously use the internet differently. I would use 6 GB in 2 days.
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Re: NBN

Postby scoob » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:41 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:We obviously use the internet differently. I would use 6 GB in 2 days.

Porn?
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Re: NBN

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:42 am

Have had a look to see what all the fuss is about. =P~

Games, Netflix, Spotify, JustinTV, Youtube etc. Adds up. Unlimited data usage, so might as well make the most of it.
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Re: NBN

Postby Psyber » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:40 pm

Sky Pilot wrote:I've got no faaaarking idea what you blokes are on about. I use the Telstra USB wireless gizmo at $39/month and it does everything I want fast and efficiently. Plugs into my laptop and travels with me. I think I get 6Gb/month and have never used it up. So if NBN ever came my street I dunno why I'd need it.
I used a Telstra 4G USB modem and prepaid service while in WA's south west for 3 months because it was all I could get.
It wasn't bad but it kept falling over in peak hour, and was sluggish a lot of the time when it didn't fall over.
But it was a regional area.

$99 for the modem with 3GB, and $180 for a 12 GB top up, wasn't nice either...
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Re: NBN

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:34 pm

We can only get satellite connection and it is painfully slow and prone to dropping out. It is also very expensive at $60 per month for 4 GB (2 GB on peak and 2 GB off Peak). The slow download and transfer speeds preclude us from accessing Skype, movies on demand services, streaming videos, or video download (unless you enjoy watching a computer buffer every 10 seconds). It takes a huge amount of time to download computer and software updates, and this eats significantly into the monthly allowance. It's not like we are in the bush either, we live 40 minutes from Adelaide CBD. I don't really care if it is cable, fibre, or wireless, I just want some form of decent broadband that works and provides us access to the full range of internet based services.
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Re: NBN

Postby Interceptor » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:57 pm

Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:We can only get satellite connection and it is painfully slow and prone to dropping out. It is also very expensive at $60 per month for 4 GB (2 GB on peak and 2 GB off Peak). The slow download and transfer speeds preclude us from accessing Skype, movies on demand services, streaming videos, or video download (unless you enjoy watching a computer buffer every 10 seconds). It takes a huge amount of time to download computer and software updates, and this eats significantly into the monthly allowance. It's not like we are in the bush either, we live 40 minutes from Adelaide CBD. I don't really care if it is cable, fibre, or wireless, I just want some form of decent broadband that works and provides us access to the full range of internet based services.

In the UK, farmers got so fed up waiting/being excluded, they built their own system.
It's not going to help you, but thought it was a novel approach.
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Re: NBN

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:12 pm

Interceptor wrote:In the UK, farmers got so fed up waiting/being excluded, they built their own system.
It's not going to help you, but thought it was a novel approach.


That is fantastic, good on them.
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Re: NBN

Postby dedja » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:35 pm

The coalition policy ... *facepalm*
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Re: NBN

Postby Roxy the Rat Girl » Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:42 am

dedja wrote:The coalition policy ... *facepalm*


This is a half arsed plan that delivers far less than the current NBN in all areas, very limited scope to accomodate future technology, won't promote the development and use of new technologies as the bandwidths will not accomodate them, far less coverage in regional australia (again bad for regional and rural businesses) and much slower. Obsolete almost as soon as it is completed and will require enormous additional expenditure to bring it up to a required standard. Just build the thing properly the first time around FFS.
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Re: NBN

Postby tipper » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:00 am

Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:
dedja wrote:The coalition policy ... *facepalm*


This is a half arsed plan that delivers far less than the current NBN in all areas, very limited scope to accomodate future technology, won't promote the development and use of new technologies as the bandwidths will not accomodate them, far less coverage in regional australia (again bad for regional and rural businesses) and much slower. Obsolete almost as soon as it is completed and will require enormous additional expenditure to bring it up to a required standard. Just build the thing properly the first time around FFS.


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Re: NBN

Postby Wedgie » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:44 am

It is a stupid plan but as I'll never see any NBN in my lifetime (and I plan to live another 50 years) I don't really care. If it held my vote Is vote for half added as I'd rather pay half the cost for no result as opposed to full odds for no result.
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Re: NBN

Postby Banker » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:13 am

What can you do with the NBN that I cant do on my 4G mobile connection?
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Re: NBN

Postby Psyber » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:12 am

Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:
dedja wrote:The coalition policy ... *facepalm*
This is a half arsed plan that delivers far less than the current NBN in all areas, very limited scope to accomodate future technology, won't promote the development and use of new technologies as the bandwidths will not accomodate them, far less coverage in regional australia (again bad for regional and rural businesses) and much slower. Obsolete almost as soon as it is completed and will require enormous additional expenditure to bring it up to a required standard. Just build the thing properly the first time around FFS.
Not necessarily, it seems from the figures supplied (that I have seen and read) that it can deliver similar base speeds to a greater segment of the population and still leave those who need more speed for some reason the option of running their own fibre cable from the street hub to their place of business or their "computer cave" whichever is applicable. And, with the hubs in the street, fibre to the home is still possible later once maintaining the copper is not longer financially competitive, and the money is there to fund the extension.

I'll concede that I haven't read every detail of the distribution plans.
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Re: NBN

Postby Wedgie » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:08 pm

Banker wrote:What can you do with the NBN that I cant do on my 4G mobile connection?

Spend 40 billion dollars
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Re: NBN

Postby Psyber » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:22 pm

Coalition plan details:
http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/wp-co ... adband.pdf
http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/wp-co ... ground.pdf

Malcolm Turnbull's email:
Today the Coalition announced our plans to deliver very fast broadband to all Australians sooner, cheaper and more affordably for consumers.
We will ensure:

All Australian households have access to download speeds of between 25 and 100 megabits per second by the end of 2016 and the vast majority of the fixed line connections can deliver 50 to 100 megabits per second by 2019.

• Regions with substandard internet services will receive priority rollout.

• Basic broadband plans will always be more affordable under the Coalition than under Labor. Modelling shows consumers will save up to $300 a year by 2021 compared to Labor’s NBN.

• Our changes to the NBN will save tens of billions of dollars, compared to Labor’s NBN.

Affordability is one of the most important issues when it comes to ensuring all Australians are able to compete in the digital economy.

Households in the bottom fifth in income earners are nine times more likely to have no Internet at home than those in the top fifth.

That is why it is so important to ensure that money invested as efficiently as possible in upgrading networks -- because a dollar wasted today will mean a dollar that has to be recouped from consumers down the track.
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Re: NBN

Postby dedja » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:18 pm

Banker wrote:What can you do with the NBN that I cant do on my 4G mobile connection?


Per Gb it will be loads cheaper ... for the Telstra LTE network, which cannot be disputed as being the best network in Australia, you are paying $15 for 1Gb and $30 say for 4Gb.

For general mobile browsing, email, social media this is more than adequate ... but certainly not for home use.

My household will go through 60-80Gb per month, a figure that cannot be provided by mobile data, primarily due to cost.

Also, ADSL technology provides large downloads in comparison to uploads. Typically you'll only get uploads of 256Kb-384Kb up to maybe a max of 1Mb.

For a whole range of uses, this is totally inadequate.

I cannot do a decent Skype or Facetime call at home due to this fact alone.

Also, the speeds described in the Coalition's plan are technically unachievable.

Hands up those on ADSL2+ who are achieving 24Mbps download speeds ... with overheads you will get a max of around 90% of this, but most will be much lower than that.

So the Coalition's speeds of 25Mbps and 50Mbps will NEVER be achieved in the real world, because you just can't on ADSL technology over copper.

With fibre as per the NBN, 100Mbps will be 100Mbps.

Also, the Coalition is heavily distorting their business case on the assumption that the NBN's costs will double to $90B, then use this as a baseline to compare the $30B cost of their solution. This is disgracefully deceitful.

If you use a baseline of $45B for the NBN compared to the proposed $30B for the Coalition's plan, this blows the cost benefit completely out of the water because the proposed services will be greatly inferior.

Also, for the Coalition's plan to work, they need too purchase rights to the existing copper network. The NBN have purchased the rights to use Telstra ducts for around $10B (can't remember the exact figure). This is for only for the right to lay fibre cables in ducts that Telstra own, not the cables themselves. This alone will be hugely expensive and will take a long time to negotiate, even if the Telcos (mainly Telstra) come to the party.

So not only is the Coalition's plan significantly inferior in terms of the services and speeds, the cost comparison to the NBN is deceitfully vastly incorrect, the cost of their proposal is unknown and the timeframes are totally unachievable due to the negotiations and payment of rights to the copper infrastructure.
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Re: NBN

Postby tipper » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:31 pm

you forgot to mention that their plan to buy the copper network is only necessary in their plan because they sold it years ago.....


because it was old and outdated then......


but is somehow good to go now.....
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Re: NBN

Postby Banker » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:36 pm

dedja wrote:
Banker wrote:What can you do with the NBN that I cant do on my 4G mobile connection?


My household will go through 60-80Gb per month, a figure that cannot be provided by mobile data, primarily due to cost.

Also, ADSL technology provides large downloads in comparison to uploads. Typically you'll only get uploads of 256Kb-384Kb up to maybe a max of 1Mb.

For a whole range of uses, this is totally inadequate.

I cannot do a decent Skype or Facetime call at home due to this fact alone.


Extraordinary amount of money to spend, so you can do a "decent" Skype and Facetime session!
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Re: NBN

Postby HH3 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:49 pm

scoob wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:We obviously use the internet differently. I would use 6 GB in 2 days.

Porn?


What else is the internet for? Sometimes I cant wait to get home and jump on the internet, but when I get there I cant think of anything interesting to look up, so end up on porn 9 times out of 10.
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