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[kickinit]

so ever since itunes has been around it constantly locks up and freezes? i'd be looking at your computer rather then blaming itunes. actually now thinking about it i've never had my computer freeze or page not responding since i've gone to apple.

don't use itunes match so can't comment on that.

its pretty easy if 2 or more are using the same comouter its called the sign in sign out function. having your own account itunes will not put any apps on your phone unless that account has paid for it.

drm restrictions pfft it's called the back door.

dont know how the device authorisation is restrictive but oh well.

my ios update only download when i give it the ok to download, maybe you have set to automaticaly do this?

suppose you are also complaining how much the windows 7 update was?

transfer to a new machine is easy. there is a export function where it basicaly copys your libaray and you just open it on your new machine. I'm not sure about windows to mac, don't know if they use a different formatt or if there same. but still if they are different format theres always the back door. And seeing how you all love the copy and paste function of android, i'm sure you all know how to use the copy and paste function through the back door.

I've never racked up a huge celluar data on my iphone so it must not be that big of a issue, if it's even a true issue. I suppose i would rather that then having a android phone and having google give out my personal details like home address to app makers, especially the ones that make apps to just scam you.

At the end of the day even if these "problems" did exist i would still rather put up with them rather then having to use a unsafe and risky android phone. here's a challenge, someone come up with a problem with itunes that is bigger and more dangerous then google giving out your home address every time you download a app. And also make sure it is an actually issue and don't be like some people on here that make issues up.

[kickinit]

All false? Not when I was using itunes.

and when was that?

[RustyCage]

I have one Ipod touch, (solely because my car came with a dock from the factory), and will never buy anything with an Apple logo on it again. Firstly because Itunes is so terrible, and secondly because the actual Ipod isnt that great. I could do everything I need it for on my Iriver Clix in 2006. The only difference was i could just cut and paste music and videos onto the Iriver.

Apple and Itunes can go eat a ****

Agreed, iRiver products are much better than any iPod. I love the iPhone but iPods get a big thumbs down from me

[dedja]

I really don't have the time to respond but here goes ..

so ever since itunes has been around it constantly locks up and freezes? i'd be looking at your computer rather then blaming itunes. actually now thinking about it i've never had my computer freeze or page not responding since i've gone to apple.

It's not the spec although iTunes is a memory hog ... I'll back my judgement with 20+ years in the IT industry to whatever info you've picked up off the street.

don't use itunes match so can't comment on that.

Cool, so you can't discount it.

its pretty easy if 2 or more are using the same comouter its called the sign in sign out function. having your own account itunes will not put any apps on your phone unless that account has paid for it.

This has nothing to do with an iTunes account and doesn't relate to my statement.

drm restrictions pfft it's called the back door.

You don't understand the question.

dont know how the device authorisation is restrictive but oh well.

You don't understand the question again.

my ios update only download when i give it the ok to download, maybe you have set to automaticaly do this?

If I have 4 IOS devices and all require an update, iTunes downloads that whole update every time. Again you don;t understand the question.

suppose you are also complaining how much the windows 7 update was?

Totally irrelevant and adds nothing to the conversation.

transfer to a new machine is easy. there is a export function where it basicaly copys your libaray and you just open it on your new machine. I'm not sure about windows to mac, don't know if they use a different formatt or if there same. but still if they are different format theres always the back door. And seeing how you all love the copy and paste function of android, i'm sure you all know how to use the copy and paste function through the back door.

False ... all methods are completely manual as per http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4527?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

tI've never racked up a huge celluar data on my iphone so it must not be that big of a issue, if it's even a true issue. I suppose i would rather that then having a android phone and having google give out my personal details like home address to app makers, especially the ones that make apps to just scam you.

Firstly, just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't exist ... I'm not affected by it but others are. Your 2nd point is irrelevant to the issue.

At the end of the day even if these "problems" did exist i would still rather put up with them rather then having to use a unsafe and risky android phone. here's a challenge, someone come up with a problem with itunes that is bigger and more dangerous then google giving out your home address every time you download a app. And also make sure it is an actually issue and don't be like some people on here that make issues up.

Again, you can't respond to the issue at hand and revert back to something else like broken record which is not related to iTunes, so in this context is irrelevant.


Clearly you love iTunes ... fair enough.

Clearly others don't ... which is fair enough too.

Accept that and move on FFS ...

[kickinit]

So 20 years of experience hey. I don't work in the IT industry but i have worked for some pretty big international companies and have learnt a lot about how a business becomes successful. 1 you don't become one of the biggest players in any industry for making a product that doesn't work and 2 if a user can't simply use the product they will go else where to get a product that does. SO saying itunes constantly freezes and lockup is pretty much saying you are unable to use it. which if was true 1 itunes wouldn't be the biggest music store in the world and 2 they wouldn't of sold millions of apples devices, and yes if this was a issue (which is obviously isn't) I would not have a apple device. Just because it happens to you doesn't mean it happens to everyone, maybe use those 20 years of experience hey.

nope can't discount itunes match like I said don't use and don't have a need to use it.

I'm sorry i did read that wrong but a simple google search would show it is easy to be done, and in fact I did it as a test and within 5mins (and thats creating a new user as I only the the one) I had the same library on both accounts, i'm surprised it was so quick seeing it constantly locks up and freezes.just curious though if you have different user accounts because you don't want other user's crap then why would yo want to share the same itunes then? wouldn't you want to have your own so you didn't have to share there crap? here's the link if you want.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1203

I do understand the question, you are not buying the right to "owning" that content from the store. Like I said though use the back door and you have that content to which you can do what ever you want and apple will never know you have. And i'm guessing a lot of you would love this as you love copy and paste.

maybe you should explain what you mean by your question then.

oh so you mean for each device update maybe you should explain yourself better then people will understand you. I actually don't plug my devices into my computer for the updates anymore, as you can now do it directly on the device, so basically that point is void as it's outdated.

once again i've always found updating any of my apple device to pretty quick and easy, so to me a delta update probably isn't going to achieve anything but a few minutes of my time, which really isn't my time as I don't sit there and watch it updating. also isn't that really a apple issue there the ones making the updates not itunes, so really this has nothing to do with iTunes?

By the looks of it they have changed since i last did this a few years ago. But seeing I use a great program on my mac called time machine I will never have to worry about copying anything. Time machine is apples back up program so basically i'll plug it in to my new machine and it will transfer everything for me. I also have a copy of the back door way so if people want my anything like music movies they can have them easily.

did you know that random android user's are are having 10gb of data randomly downloaded to there phone and there getting these massive phone bills for exceeding there data limit. See it's easy to make stuff up, so if your going to make a statement like there's a bug or a issue (see my google security flaw thread for an example) you want to add some evidence to it. You typing it on a internet forum doesn't actually automatically mean it's true. So i think my statement of "if it's even a true issue" still stands as you have not provided anything that shows it is.

again? it's the first time you've said it so why use again? that last statement wasn't a respond to the issues, you obviously saw that i responded to the issues above that statement. that statement is purely my opinion and not a response to the issues you have with iTunes. but if you actually go back and look at the whole argument of itunes is because some are saying they wouldn't prefer to have a android over a iphone because of iTunes, so really it is relevant to this.

I wouldn't say I LOVE itunes but I do think it's a great program, which does what it's intended to do quick and easily. And if someone doesn't like itunes then that's there opinion and I can't argue with that. But when people hate itunes or anything else and they are clearly making up issues or simply don't know how to use it properly i'm going to speak up. Like your problem with itunes match i can't argue with that as i've never used it or experienced it.

[scoob]

I'm loving this... *gets a deck chair, six pack and settles in*

[HH3]

I'm loving this... *gets a deck chair, six pack and settles in*

Its good, init

[The Sleeping Giant]

I wouldn't say I LOVE itunes

You love it. Hard.

[CENTURION]

if phones were round, you'd love it more.

[kickinit]

I wouldn't say I LOVE itunes

You love it. Hard.

not as much as you love making up crap

[scoob]

I wouldn't say I LOVE itunes

You love it. Hard.

not as much as you love making up crap

Great comeback... can't wait fot TSG reply!!!!! *cracks 3rd beer*

[kickinit]

probably along the lines of itunes is still crap because i don't know how to use it.

[The Sleeping Giant]

I was going to say the love between a man and his software can't be made up, and tell you a beautiful tale of my love affair with some software that people didn't understand either.

[dedja]

1 you don't become one of the biggest players in any industry for making a product that doesn't work and 2 if a user can't simply use the product they will go else where to get a product that does.

*cough* Microsoft *cough*

[Dissident]

1 you don't become one of the biggest players in any industry for making a product that doesn't work and 2 if a user can't simply use the product they will go else where to get a product that does.

*cough* Microsoft *cough*

I'm not quite sure what that means

[scoob]

1 you don't become one of the biggest players in any industry for making a product that doesn't work and 2 if a user can't simply use the product they will go else where to get a product that does.

*cough* Microsoft *cough*

I'm not quite sure what that means

#thisthreadneedshashtags

[The Sleeping Giant]

#electricdreams

#hardforapple

[kickinit]

1 you don't become one of the biggest players in any industry for making a product that doesn't work and 2 if a user can't simply use the product they will go else where to get a product that does.

*cough* Microsoft *cough*

wow those 20 years experience really doing you wonders. so what in those 20 years have you actually done? microsoft doesn't work itunes doesn't work, do you just sit at a desk all day and claim it as experience?

[dedja]

Its not so much about products to market, but to increase and hold market share.

Apple's main aim is to monopolise the market, something Microsoft have been experts at for over 30 years ... they started off as innovators and in some ways continue to do so, but their strategies are much different now than from the early days.

Oracle are experts at it as well in the commercial world.

The way they do this is by 'lock-in' ... that is, you are so entangled with their products and services that it's hard to go elsewhere. Couple that with the annihilation of competitors, leads to consumers not getting the best value out of the market.

Android, or 'open source' in general, does not operate on this premise.

The only reason Apple have shifted relatively recently is that (mainly) Samsung have dragged them kicking and screaming. through their own (and others) innovation.

As consumers, it's competition that drives products and services to match expectation.

Anyway, Centurion started this thread because he was undecided ... apparently he has decided now.

[scoob]

Its not so much about products to market, but to increase and hold market share.

Apple's main aim is to monopolise the market, something Microsoft have been experts at for over 30 years ... they started off as innovators and in some ways continue to do so, but their strategies are much different now than from the early days.

Oracle are experts at it as well in the commercial world.

The way they do this is by 'lock-in' ... that is, you are so entangled with their products and services that it's hard to go elsewhere. Couple that with the annihilation of competitors, leads to consumers not getting the best value out of the market.

Android, or 'open source' in general, does not operate on this premise.

The only reason Apple have shifted relatively recently is that (mainly) Samsung have dragged them kicking and screaming. through their own (and others) innovation.

As consumers, it's competition that drives products and services to match expectation.

Anyway, Centurion started this thread because he was undecided ... apparently he has decided now.

#toomuchsense

#stillgot3beerstogo

#whereiskickinit?