Drug testing to get the Dole

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Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Strawb » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:50 pm

Are you in favour of this or is it wrong to expect people to submit a wee sample to get it?
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Wedgie » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:34 pm

Can we test them for spending money on pokies, smokes and cheap hookers too?
Pointless exercise IMHO.
There's only a certain amount of jobs out there, testing for drugs is hardly going to change that.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Strawb » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:39 pm

Wedgie wrote:Can we test them for spending money on pokies, smokes and cheap hookers too?
Pointless exercise IMHO.
There's only a certain amount of jobs out there, testing for drugs is hardly going to change that.

Wedgie smart idea easiest way is to pay their bills, rent out of the dole before they get it and give them food stamps or vouchers that prohibit them from buying cigarette and alcohol. I agree there is only ex amount of jobs out there. But their are people who want to work and those who just sit on the dole.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Dog_ger » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:39 pm

Voted no.

Strawb, whats up....?

How many people want to be on the dole...? :shock:
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Strawb » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:43 pm

Dog_ger wrote:Voted no.

Strawb, whats up....?

How many people want to be on the dole...? :shock:

I know heaps of people I have come in contact with when I was unemployed and through where I live and work. There are alot out there who believe they are entitled to the dole for the rest of their life.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Booney » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:53 pm

No. Simply no.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Squids » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:17 pm

The price of drug tests :roll:
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:22 pm

Strawb wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Can we test them for spending money on pokies, smokes and cheap hookers too?
Pointless exercise IMHO.
There's only a certain amount of jobs out there, testing for drugs is hardly going to change that.

Wedgie smart idea easiest way is to pay their bills, rent out of the dole before they get it and give them food stamps or vouchers that prohibit them from buying cigarette and alcohol. I agree there is only ex amount of jobs out there. But their are people who want to work and those who just sit on the dole.



I believe they're already doing this in some parts of the Northern Territory, or at least were trialling it?
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Phantom Gossiper » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:51 pm

I think drug testing is a bit over the top, but im a big fan of the proposal of the "card" where they can only use their dole payments at certain approved places etc so they cant blow it on drugs/alcohol/pokies etc.

It's a shame really the whole situation, it takes away peoples independance a bit, but unfortunately too many people who rort the system..
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Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby the joker » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:06 pm

I think yes. You want to smoke weed or take ecstasy, get a job to pay it and don't let the Australian tax payers pay for it. In saying that I bet their would be people on here in the dole who have dabbled in substances
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Gozu » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:00 am

Obviously no. Try surviving on the dole for a while (what like $230 a week?) and see if you don't dabble in a little escapism from your shitty reality whether via booze or drugs.

The classic sign of a bully is going after the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable people in society yet Billionaires like Kerry Packer get away without paying a cent of tax. Anyone who thinks things like this are a good idea (or the welfare quarantining going on in Playford council) should be forced to spend 6 months on the dole trying to make ends meet. It's a race to the bottom under the Lab/Libs as it is.

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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby kickinit » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:23 am

Gozu wrote:Obviously no. Try surviving on the dole for a while (what like $230 a week?) and see if you don't dabble in a little escapism from your shitty reality whether via booze or drugs.

The classic sign of a bully is going after the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable people in society yet Billionaires like Kerry Packer get away without paying a cent of tax. Anyone who thinks things like this are a good idea (or the welfare quarantining going on in Playford council) should be forced to spend 6 months on the dole trying to make ends meet. It's a race to the bottom under the Lab/Libs as it is.

Talk back radio/ACA/TT rots your brain folks.


If I have to have random drug and alcohol test at work to earn money to make a living and pay tax for these people why shouldn't they have to receive it. I also think they should do volunteer work as well. The simplest way to fix it is to only give them what they need to live, pay there bills and give them food. Watch how many people find work pretty quick.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:51 am

the joker wrote:I think yes. You want to smoke weed or take ecstasy, get a job to pay it and don't let the Australian tax payers pay for it. In saying that I bet their would be people on here in the dole who have dabbled in substances

What if you grow your own? Or have generous friends?
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:52 am

kickinit wrote:
Gozu wrote:Obviously no. Try surviving on the dole for a while (what like $230 a week?) and see if you don't dabble in a little escapism from your shitty reality whether via booze or drugs.

The classic sign of a bully is going after the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable people in society yet Billionaires like Kerry Packer get away without paying a cent of tax. Anyone who thinks things like this are a good idea (or the welfare quarantining going on in Playford council) should be forced to spend 6 months on the dole trying to make ends meet. It's a race to the bottom under the Lab/Libs as it is.

Talk back radio/ACA/TT rots your brain folks.


If I have to have random drug and alcohol test at work to earn money to make a living and pay tax for these people why shouldn't they have to receive it. I also think they should do volunteer work as well. The simplest way to fix it is to only give them what they need to live, pay there bills and give them food. Watch how many people find work pretty quick.

You are getting tested at work for safety reasons.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Wedgie » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:31 am

Footy Chick wrote:
Strawb wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Can we test them for spending money on pokies, smokes and cheap hookers too?
Pointless exercise IMHO.
There's only a certain amount of jobs out there, testing for drugs is hardly going to change that.

Wedgie smart idea easiest way is to pay their bills, rent out of the dole before they get it and give them food stamps or vouchers that prohibit them from buying cigarette and alcohol. I agree there is only ex amount of jobs out there. But their are people who want to work and those who just sit on the dole.



I believe they're already doing this in some parts of the Northern Territory, or at least were trialling it?

Yes they do but they wouldn't dare employ the same tactic with white people.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Booney » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:48 am

Phantom Gossiper wrote:I think drug testing is a bit over the top, but im a big fan of the proposal of the "card" where they can only use their dole payments at certain approved places etc so they cant blow it on drugs/alcohol/pokies etc.

It's a shame really the whole situation, it takes away peoples independance a bit, but unfortunately too many people who rort the system..


Is the "card" also able to tell if the people are buying chips/chocolate etc to ensure they are not growing obese?
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby scoob » Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:40 am

Gozu wrote:Obviously no. Try surviving on the dole for a while (what like $230 a week?) and see if you don't dabble in a little escapism from your shitty reality whether via booze or drugs.

The classic sign of a bully is going after the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable people in society yet Billionaires like Kerry Packer get away without paying a cent of tax. Anyone who thinks things like this are a good idea (or the welfare quarantining going on in Playford council) should be forced to spend 6 months on the dole trying to make ends meet. It's a race to the bottom under the Lab/Libs as it is.

Talk back radio/ACA/TT rots your brain folks.


Maybe they could escape their shitty reality by getting a job then?
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Psyber » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:46 am

Gozu wrote:Obviously no. Try surviving on the dole for a while (what like $230 a week?) and see if you don't dabble in a little escapism from your shitty reality whether via booze or drugs.

The classic sign of a bully is going after the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable people in society yet Billionaires like Kerry Packer get away without paying a cent of tax. Anyone who thinks things like this are a good idea (or the welfare quarantining going on in Playford council) should be forced to spend 6 months on the dole trying to make ends meet. It's a race to the bottom under the Lab/Libs as it is.

Talk back radio/ACA/TT rots your brain folks.
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I'm not sure how their rates compare with the "dole", but none of them are resorting to drugs or alcohol to get by.
A couple are doing voluntary work for charity.

I admit all but two have been frugal in the past and already own modest homes, which helps.
The other two are renting, but getting good deals because they have been reliable, non-destructive, tenants for years.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Footy Chick » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:00 pm

Wedgie wrote:
Yes they do but they wouldn't dare employ the same tactic with white people.



I think someone said they're trialling it in the Playford area as well. ;)
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Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby RustyCage » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:14 pm

So what happens once someone is cut off from centrelink? Lose the roof over their heads? Unable to put food on the table for their kids? Resort to crime to help them get what they need? Add to the cities homeless?

It's ok to say "cut them off and save the rest of us some money" but what happens after that?
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