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This is an actual question posed to me by a member today.

Think back to March 1847.

A baby is born on a ship to English parents on route to South Australia 2 days before the ship lands in Glenelg.

What nationality is the baby?

Footy Chick wrote:Think back to March 1847.

Might need Psyber for this one ...

Whoever is winning the ashes.

JK wrote:

Footy Chick wrote:Think back to March 1847.

Might need Psyber for this one ...

To check his birth certificate???

But they would be British.. you wouldn't be Australian til after 1901....

mickey wrote:But they would be British.. you wouldn't be Australian til after 1901....

But it didn't say the boat left from England (Why I am getting sucked into this stupid question??)

I used to work with a girl who claimed that she was born on a ship or oil rig or something and that because it was in international waters she ended up with some 'international' type citizenship.

Don't know if she made it up or not.

I'd say whatever nationality the vessel is, but, like JK, I'm wondering why I am getting involved.

Gingernuts wrote:I used to work with a girl who claimed that she was born on a ship or oil rig or something and that because it was in international waters she ended up with some 'international' type citizenship.

Don't know if she made it up or not.

You worked with Foxy Cleopatra?

Booney wrote:

Gingernuts wrote:I used to work with a girl who claimed that she was born on a ship or oil rig or something and that because it was in international waters she ended up with some 'international' type citizenship.

Don't know if she made it up or not.

You worked with Foxy Cleopatra?

Most things I can find state that it is either where the vessel is registered, or the citizenship of the parents.

The ship set sail from London and landed in Adelaide on March 23, 1847.

Is Pirate a nationality?

Gingernuts wrote:I used to work with a girl who claimed that she was born on a ship or oil rig or something and that because it was in international waters she ended up with some 'international' type citizenship.

Don't know if she made it up or not.

No such thing.

Wouldn't have thought they would be English in nationality. Unless I'm missing something, English ships wouldn't sail directly to Adelaide around that time - wouldn't they be convict ships, of which Adelaide had no convicts?

OK first of all only one ship sailed from London (Plymouth) to Adelaide to land in January 1847.

The David Malcom left October 1846.

So tell your team member no boat landed in Adelaide ex London in March.

However there were German boats landing that year. If however your team member mixed up her months the passengers off that boat ex the UK, one would assume they'd be a couple, only a few couples had an infant;

John Amber & wife & infant plus James Jose & wife & infant.

They baby if born on the boat would therefore be British as that is the citizenship of the parents.

Hope that helps

Boatalian.....Shipian.......Wateralian.......

You having trouble getting a passport FC?

The child would have born in Australian waters and the birth would have been registered here when the boat docked so I would has at a guess Australian.
My Great Grandfather was born here a year after his parents landed (1851) but had a sister that was born on route and she was always considered Australian in the family.

JK wrote:

Footy Chick wrote:Think back to March 1847.

Might need Psyber for this one ...

Sorry I'm a bit too young to help.
My father was born in SA only a few months after his family got here in 1905.
Presumably, he was conceived on the boat as it took a while to get here in those days.

SJABC wrote:OK first of all only one ship sailed from London (Plymouth) to Adelaide to land in January 1847.

The David Malcom left October 1846.

So tell your team member no boat landed in Adelaide ex London in March.

However there were German boats landing that year. If however your team member mixed up her months the passengers off that boat ex the UK, one would assume they'd be a couple, only a few couples had an infant;

John Amber & wife & infant plus James Jose & wife & infant.

They baby if born on the boat would therefore be British as that is the citizenship of the parents.

Hope that helps

This wasnt a team member, it was an RAA member who rang up and we got talking! He said he got his info from the maratime museum but he was at his wits end because state archives, nor anyone at the state or mortlock library could help him.

Another thing to note is that on the ships records it shows as the childs parents marrying ON the ship.

THey were definitely free citizens though, wish I had a better memory but he definitely had a ships record saying it landed in south australia (ahh, maybe not glenelg) in march of 1847.

I think this is bugging me as much as it's bugging him now

Leaping Lindner wrote:The child would have born in Australian waters and the birth would have been registered here when the boat docked so I would has at a guess Australian.
My Great Grandfather was born here a year after his parents landed (1851) but had a sister that was born on route and she was always considered Australian in the family.

Considered Australian is one thing, but where did the birth certificate say she was born? Mind you, it was common for births not to be registered back in the day.