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Dear Woolworths, Coles, K-Mart et al,
Do you remember the 1950s, when you killed off small, family-run businesses because you were cheaper and easier and, frankly, the 'in thing'?
Kinda sucks to be on the receiving end, doesn't it?

Sojourner wrote:Dear Woolworths, Coles, K-Mart et al,
Do you remember the 1950s, when you killed off small, family-run businesses because you were cheaper and easier and, frankly, the 'in thing'?
Kinda sucks to be on the receiving end, doesn't it?

post of the year

if us consumers can get it at that price surely the big boys are too, if not cheaper cos they bulk buy

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:post of the year

Is that just so far mt, or do we not need to bother posting for the next 360 days

so far!

Sojourner wrote:Dear Woolworths, Coles, K-Mart et al,
Do you remember the 1950s, when you killed off small, family-run businesses because you were cheaper and easier and, frankly, the 'in thing'?
Kinda sucks to be on the receiving end, doesn't it?

Exactly, Hopefully repugnant pigs like Gerry Harvey go the way of the delicatessen. It's all well and good for them to gouge us and run small family businesses into the ground but as soon as we cotton on to the racket and start buying things significantly cheaper overseas, it's all "poor billionaire Gerry".

Just remember what a top bloke Gerry Harvey is:

RETAILING billionaire Gerry Harvey has lamented that Australian charity is being wasted on "no-hopers".

Asked in a new book about his community role, Mr Harvey said giving to people who "are not putting anything back into the community" is like "helping a whole heap of no-hopers to survive for no good reason".

He said it was arguable that giving charity to the homeless was "just wasted". "It might be a callous way of putting it but what are they doing?" he said. "They are just a drag on the whole community."

http://www.theage.com.au/business/retai ... -6cwj.html

that is a reason why when in harvey i bully the salespeople into what i want

u win some and u go elswwhere for some

so its a win-win for me

also big companies get 10% gst offset so its consumer who pays gst not companies

"Business: your handy guide to railing against the internet":

First it threatened the music industry, then movies, then the news media. Now the internet is starting to worry any number of industries and even governments with unprecedented online interconnectedness across communities and borders. With no end in sight to the disruptive impact of online technology, here’s a handy how-to guide for wealthy, powerful industries who want to respond to the fact that people are using the internet to avoid giving them money:

1.This is important: make sure you completely fail to understand the possibilities offered by the internet in providing a better product to your customers. That of course might involve moving away from the comfortable business model that has served you – if not your customers – so well for generations, and possibly even require some vision, investment and risk-taking – hardly the stuff of entrepreneurship. Continue to treat your customers like passive sources of cash without minds of their own.

2.Initially dismiss the internet as a non-issue that poses no threat to you and will never replace the authentic experience you offer via real world objects like CDs, newspapers or shops. If it’s online, it isn’t real, so how could anyone treat it as real?

3.When it becomes a serious threat, reach into your bag of stereotypes. Play the nationalism card, suggesting only those nasty foreigners benefit from the internet, and not the honest working folk in your own country whose continuing employment is the real goal of your business activities, not accumulating personal wealth. If that doesn’t work, use various other stereotypes, like suggesting that using the internet supports organised crime, pedophilia or terrorism.

4.Start claiming there’s something unlawful about the internet. Argue that what your customers or online competitors are doing is illegal, even if it isn’t. Start combing legislation for something to charge people with, or threaten to sue your customers or competitors to deter them. Rail against competitors as “parasites” spongeing off your hard work.

5.If there’s no specific legislative prohibition on what your customers and competitors are doing, demand that governments make one. Do that even if normally you devote all your time to campaigning for smaller government and less “red tape” for business.

6.Run a media campaign – in old media outlets – against your online competitors that is so laughable its only result is to draw further attention to your competitors and make you an object of internet mockery.

7.Finally, sit back and watch your industry become home to smarter, third-party players who have worked out how to offer your customers an effective online service, transferring a substantial chunk of what should be your profits to them.

These handy tips have been tried and tested by a number of industries who have had to deal with the threat of the internet. You’ll find they work for you just as well as they’ve worked in other sectors!

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/201 ... -internet/

1983 I left the security of a Bank job and bought a Fruit Juice Round
I learnt a lesson early on about the mogulistic big conglomerate supermarket chains

I was home delivering a brand called Dawn Fruit Juice in the Salisbury area
The same juice was being sold to the Supermarkets by the name of Mildura Fruit Juices [still being sold ]
I was buying the juices for $1-00 and delivering for $1-99
One day a customer told me that she knew Dawn and Mildura were the same
She followed up by saying that Mildura was being sold at the Supermarket for 79 cents
I naturally said, prob coz it was outa date
She showed me the used by date, it was similar to the batch I was delivering
She stayed loyal, I gave her the juices that day for the 79c and made a loss

I later asked the boss, why is it so
He said Supermakets have specials to attract customers and make thier profits on the other items bought
He also explained the squashem mentality of Supermarkets against sMALl businesses like delis

This was my first challenge vrs the Supermarkets
I gained an overall picture of why Supermarkets will discount, or undersell competitors

When I read SOJOURNERS opening post to his thread, I thought spot on, bloody hypocrites

My father used to work for a meat company that supplied the meat to Coles for years. It was by far their biggest contract and kept the 100 or so people there employed. One day Coles turned around and said "we want you to start supplying the meat to us for x amount because we can get it somwehere cheaper". They said if they reduced it to x they would lose money. They relented and lost the contract. The place shut down about six months later and everyone lost their jobs.

Gozu wrote: Gerry Harvey

Clearly remember when we all (well, most of us!) got our $900 gift from Mr. Rudd last year, big screen TVs immediately went on sale at Harvey Norman for $898 and there was Gerry on ACA shamelessly plugging how blowing your coin at one of his stores was - blow trumpets now - the patriotic thing to do. A slight exaggeration. But not much.

Good piece in the business section of The Australian yesterday basically calling it a throwback to protectionism.

Suck it up, Gerry & co.! How sad. Too bad.

Hate shopping at those big retailers. Always such a hassle. Hardly ever get what I want at Myer, David Jones and all that. They often don't stock it...

I love the fact that their campaign has backfired on them. Now Gerry is saying it's unAustralian to shop online and that we should accept taxes in the national interest.

Magpiespower wrote:

Gozu wrote: Gerry Harvey

Clearly remember when we all (well, most of us!) got our $900 gift from Mr. Rudd last year, big screen TVs immediately went on sale at Harvey Norman for $998 and there was Gerry on ACA shamelessly plugging how blowing your coin at one of his stores was - blow trumpets now - the patriotic thing to do. A slight exaggeration. But not much.

Good piece in the business section of The Australian yesterday basically calling it a throwback to protectionism.

Suck it up, Gerry & co.! How sad. Too bad.

Hate shopping at those big retailers. Always such a hassle. Hardly ever get what I want at Myer, David Jones and all that. They often don't stock it...

Also good luck buying something from Myer without a price tag. They refused to sell a top to a mate of mine the other day because it had no price tag (this was after doing 3 laps of the store to find an open register). Didn't even ask for a price check just can't 'you can't buy that, it has no price tag and I can't look up the price'.

I'd like to know how these peanuts think they'd be able to enforce a GST on foreign companies.

Currently if you import anything over $1000, you need to declare through customs, via a freight forwarding company, broker etc, and pay the duty that way. If they bought something like this in, and used the current system to collect GST and other import taxes etc the brokers out there wouldn't be able to cope with the workload as there's a shortage as it is !

The Government loses money with the $1000 threshold too. There are so many different classifications and import taxes/thresholds/free trades etc etc, that'd if they bought it down to $0, then EVERYTHING in Australia would be more expensive.

The stats I've seen state about 3% of all shopping is done online, of which only 20-30% is from overseas sites. How many of those purchases are under $1000 is anyone's guess.

So if that is around the mark, then 30% of 3% is only less than 1% in my currency ... WTF are these large retailers on about then???

And as has been posted above, how will sub $1000 transactions be enforced???

Tell them they're dreaming.

And who's going to compensate the eBay scammers who'll lose their businesses???

Sojourner wrote:Dear Woolworths, Coles, K-Mart et al,
Do you remember the 1950s, when you killed off small, family-run businesses because you were cheaper and easier and, frankly, the 'in thing'?
Kinda sucks to be on the receiving end, doesn't it?

mal wrote:1983 I left the security of a Bank job and bought a Fruit Juice Round
I learnt a lesson early on about the mogulistic big conglomerate supermarket chains

I was home delivering a brand called Dawn Fruit Juice in the Salisbury area
The same juice was being sold to the Supermarkets by the name of Mildura Fruit Juices [still being sold ]
I was buying the juices for $1-00 and delivering for $1-99
One day a customer told me that she knew Dawn and Mildura were the same
She followed up by saying that Mildura was being sold at the Supermarket for 79 cents
I naturally said, prob coz it was outa date
She showed me the used by date, it was similar to the batch I was delivering
She stayed loyal, I gave her the juices that day for the 79c and made a loss

I later asked the boss, why is it so
He said Supermakets have specials to attract customers and make thier profits on the other items bought
He also explained the squashem mentality of Supermarkets against sMALl businesses like delis

This was my first challenge vrs the Supermarkets
I gained an overall picture of why Supermarkets will discount, or undersell competitors

When I read SOJOURNERS opening post to his thread, I thought spot on, bloody hypocrites

This is a little off topic, but along the lines of these companies being hypocrites.
And that is shopping hours over the Public Holiday periods.
Now, I thought one of the original so-called "attractions" of supermarkets (at least according to them) was that people only had to go once a week or so to fill the pantry rather than always having to go to the corner store all the time. But now they reckon they should be open during these public holidays as people can't last four or five days without buying more food, or as one of their spruikers said in the media just before Christmas, people were now going to have to "stockplie" food. As though it was such an imposition.

Every other business has to deal with overseas competitors and exchange rate variations. Just because it's currently going against the large Aust retailers doesn't mean we need to change the country's tax laws. Suck it up and drop your own prices to match or update your own business model rather than trying to make everything more expensive.

Great post Sojourner

I have no sympathy for the big marketers for the reasons cited above, even though I do own shares in some of them.
They have killed the competition ruthlessly and it is their turn to suffer the same pressure.
However, if we have a GST at all, to be fair, it should be applied to all purchases of goods and services.
The problem always has been the cost of policing it, versus the GST recovered - which is why most tradies have a cash price..

But paying GST on overseas purchases will not benefit the big traders - they just want to use the principle to get some form of tariff barrier accepted.
I'm sympathetic to tariffs to protect Australian manufacturing, but not to benefit those just retailing at huge mark ups goods manufactured overseas,..