The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:05 pmWhat is the answer...?
How much are you prepared to pay..?
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
How much are you prepared to pay..?
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:05 pmRe: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:13 pmI try to put fuel in fortnightly at the very least on a Tight ar*e Tuesday. Not sure if this experiment is working yet.
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:14 pmDog_ger wrote:What is the answer...?
Turn the clock bak 7 years,stop the Us from invading IRAQ and let things be.
How much are you prepared to pay..?
What do you mean? You pay what everyone else does,you cant bargain for it,can you?
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
Yes,we do.It does cost more though.....
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:17 pmDog_ger wrote:What is the answer...?
I'll car pool to Elizabeth when the Bays play there
How much are you prepared to pay..?
What ever the pump says
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
yep...to the footy. Actually doing Saturday drives....to the footy
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:21 pmI don't own a car so my advice...leave it in the garage when you can.
Walk more it's good for you and, for those that have them, the kids...set off a bit earlier and walk them to school. Wasn't that long ago when people only owned one car per house...it won't kill ya
It can help with the cost of groceries too. If you have to carry your shopping further than across a car park you'll be surprised how careful you are about what you buy...makes quite a difference when you have to consider weight and bulk as well as cost.
Regards
JAS
Walk more it's good for you and, for those that have them, the kids...set off a bit earlier and walk them to school. Wasn't that long ago when people only owned one car per house...it won't kill ya
It can help with the cost of groceries too. If you have to carry your shopping further than across a car park you'll be surprised how careful you are about what you buy...makes quite a difference when you have to consider weight and bulk as well as cost.
Regards
JAS
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:57 pmi always get my petrol either tuesday night or wednesday mornings before work as this is the cheapest part of the weekly cycle of petrol & if everyone did this at least we'd be beating the cycle & getting the 'cheaper' petrol & i know i'm a bit more lucky than most because my car only goes out on weekends so i'm just topping it up every week, as i drive the work vehicle during the week
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:21 pmI think it would be good if the govt could cap the speed of price increases at no more than 2 cents per litre per day. This would mean that oil companies would have to smooth their pricing positions and properly hedge against price increases, meaning there would be more pressure on OPEC and the like.
Also, there should be an agreed position on how much oil companies can mark up the wholesale price. If a barrel costs $135 and retails at $1.60 per litre, then that ratio/equation should be maintained when the barrel price goes up or down. It annoys me when stock bought at one price is retailed at the higher retial price when the wholesale price moves up - a bit like when interest rates go down the banks move slowly but when the go up, they move fast to make the adjustment!
Also, there should be an agreed position on how much oil companies can mark up the wholesale price. If a barrel costs $135 and retails at $1.60 per litre, then that ratio/equation should be maintained when the barrel price goes up or down. It annoys me when stock bought at one price is retailed at the higher retial price when the wholesale price moves up - a bit like when interest rates go down the banks move slowly but when the go up, they move fast to make the adjustment!
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:05 pmSquawk wrote:I think it would be good if the govt could cap the speed of price increases at no more than 2 cents per litre per day. This would mean that oil companies would have to smooth their pricing positions and properly hedge against price increases,
It would have the opposite result, the discount cycle would end if that occured, we'd be paying the high prices all week.
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:26 pmJAS wrote:I don't own a car so my advice...leave it in the garage when you can.
Walk more it's good for you and, for those that have them, the kids...set off a bit earlier and walk them to school. Wasn't that long ago when people only owned one car per house...it won't kill ya
It can help with the cost of groceries too. If you have to carry your shopping further than across a car park you'll be surprised how careful you are about what you buy...makes quite a difference when you have to consider weight and bulk as well as cost.
Regards
JAS
Great advice JAS.
Having lived in London, I agree with all these points. Problem is, living in SA, there is usually a massive distance between all these places.
For example, in London I live 5 mins walk from the supermarket, in SA it's about 30-40, in Lon it's a 2 min walk to the train which is the most efficient way to get to work, but in SA I would have to have caught 3 buses taking almost 2 hours, compared to driving 35 mins to work.
In SA unfortanately, we are going to have to deal with higher fuel costs unless public transport becomes a shedload more efficient.
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:32 pmDog_ger wrote:What is the answer...?
How much are you prepared to pay..?
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
Get on a bus or train and leave the car at home.
Walk, run or ride a bike.
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:20 pmsome hints for my fellow safooty ppl
4 TIPS WHEN REFUELLING YOUR CAR
1. Only buy or fill up your car in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a litre. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
2. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode.
If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapours that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour. Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
3. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your tank is HALF FULL.
The reason for this is, the more fuel you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Petrol evaporates faster than you can imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every litre is actually the exact amount.
4. If there is a fuel truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy, DO NOT fill up.
Most likely the petrol/diesel is being stirred up as the fuel is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom
4 TIPS WHEN REFUELLING YOUR CAR
1. Only buy or fill up your car in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a litre. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
2. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode.
If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapours that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour. Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
3. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your tank is HALF FULL.
The reason for this is, the more fuel you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Petrol evaporates faster than you can imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every litre is actually the exact amount.
4. If there is a fuel truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy, DO NOT fill up.
Most likely the petrol/diesel is being stirred up as the fuel is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:46 amIf you cant beat them, join them....
I bought Oil company shares a few years back and slowly shifted more of my portfolio into this industry.....the rising share prices of these companies more than out weighs the rising petrol prices....IMo there are still some great opportunities in this sector
also if you drive over 25,000kms per annum package your car thru your salary, the FBT benefits are great and its fully operational so pays for your petrol, rego, insurance, servicing etc
I bought Oil company shares a few years back and slowly shifted more of my portfolio into this industry.....the rising share prices of these companies more than out weighs the rising petrol prices....IMo there are still some great opportunities in this sector
also if you drive over 25,000kms per annum package your car thru your salary, the FBT benefits are great and its fully operational so pays for your petrol, rego, insurance, servicing etc
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:33 amstan wrote:Dog_ger wrote:What is the answer...?
How much are you prepared to pay..?
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
Get on a bus or train and leave the car at home.
Walk, run or ride a bike.
That's what I've been saying, but I get shot down.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:54 amMightyEagles wrote:stan wrote:Dog_ger wrote:What is the answer...?
How much are you prepared to pay..?
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
Get on a bus or train and leave the car at home.
Walk, run or ride a bike.
That's what I've been saying, but I get shot down.
It's a bit tricky for us - we live 10Km from the nearest butcher. fruit & veg., and supermarket, and 18Km from the nearest large supermarket and the nearest petrol station. There are two buses down to the city early in the moring, and two back in the evening. However we do have 13 resturants and cafes with 2Km - it's a tourist orientated area in the mountains over 50Km from the Melbourne CBD. Riding a bike downhill is OK, but coming back up to the 570metre altitude is for the very hardy with their carbon fibre bikes and Kevlar tyres! [Highly ecological they are!]
I pick my days and buy petrol early in the week so I'll be worse off if prices fluctuate less under Kev07's plan. Last week I paid $1.69/L for Shell V-Power racing 100 octane [E5] but it has been $1.89.
Interestingly I read an article suggesting diesel prices will go up faster than that of refined petrol because most vehicles in Asia are diesel and their demand will push prices of that up faster despite there being less processing to produce diesel...
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:04 pmWhen I am not watching footy I am a 1970's car enthusiast. I am the secretary of a car club and currently own two classic cars. As for fuel prices I just pay them whatever the price is and if I have to do without something I will. If more people simply took a sandwich to work every day they would soon find themselves better off financially.
With fuel prices, most likely the best thing that you can do is fill up at an independant like Liberty or similar. Fuel companies rely on the selling of extras to make their profits, so if you put that through the till of an independant they will need to do something to win your business.
In Queensland there is an independant called "Neumanns" who import fuel into Australia in competition to the Singapore based product and offer better prices. If Rann wanted to do anything to reduce prices here, getting Neumanns into Port Stanvac would be a good start!
With fuel prices, most likely the best thing that you can do is fill up at an independant like Liberty or similar. Fuel companies rely on the selling of extras to make their profits, so if you put that through the till of an independant they will need to do something to win your business.
In Queensland there is an independant called "Neumanns" who import fuel into Australia in competition to the Singapore based product and offer better prices. If Rann wanted to do anything to reduce prices here, getting Neumanns into Port Stanvac would be a good start!
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:32 pmrises in petrol don't affect the cost of me riding a bike 1 hr each way to work (2-3 days a week)
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:04 amI filled my car up this afternoon with Premium unleaded! 
been driving around with the cap off ever since...
been driving around with the cap off ever since...
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:53 amPsyber wrote:MightyEagles wrote:stan wrote:Dog_ger wrote:What is the answer...?
How much are you prepared to pay..?
Do you go for those sunday drives anymore...?
Get on a bus or train and leave the car at home.
Walk, run or ride a bike.
That's what I've been saying, but I get shot down.
It's a bit tricky for us - we live 10Km from the nearest butcher. fruit & veg., and supermarket, and 18Km from the nearest large supermarket and the nearest petrol station. There are two buses down to the city early in the moring, and two back in the evening. However we do have 13 resturants and cafes with 2Km - it's a tourist orientated area in the mountains over 50Km from the Melbourne CBD. Riding a bike downhill is OK, but coming back up to the 570metre altitude is for the very hardy with their carbon fibre bikes and Kevlar tyres! [Highly ecological they are!]
I pick my days and buy petrol early in the week so I'll be worse off if prices fluctuate less under Kev07's plan. Last week I paid $1.69/L for Shell V-Power racing 100 octane [E5] but it has been $1.89.
Interestingly I read an article suggesting diesel prices will go up faster than that of refined petrol because most vehicles in Asia are diesel and their demand will push prices of that up faster despite there being less processing to produce diesel...
Fuel in the UK is now $2.80 a litre. Just come back from China where it is $0.55c a litre. My solution, move to China
PS, the time difference means 1st bounce is 12:30 pm and not 5:30am
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:40 amdinglinga wrote:some hints for my fellow safooty ppl
4 TIPS WHEN REFUELLING YOUR CAR
1. Only buy or fill up your car in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a litre. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
2. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode.
If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapours that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour. Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
3. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your tank is HALF FULL.
The reason for this is, the more fuel you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Petrol evaporates faster than you can imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every litre is actually the exact amount.
4. If there is a fuel truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy, DO NOT fill up.
Most likely the petrol/diesel is being stirred up as the fuel is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom
this is all false. the savings are somewhere in the vicinity of 10-20 mls per tank
Re: The Price Of Petrol
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:40 pmi heard somewhere that in vanuatu that fuel is 8c a gallon 
