If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is OK.

[locky801]

After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

so what your saying is we actually waste money on cops, we could basically have cctv everywhere and not have to waste tax payers money on cops?

so by sticking to the book they where allowed to enter a crime scene and not be followed by a cop. Take away the fact the cops stopped them or not you would think they would be right behind them to make sure they didn't arm them selfs or disturb the crime scene, also to protect the officers that where inside the house.

Not sure what your beef is with this kickit, are you actually aware how many Polie Officers were inside the premises for a start

[Psyber]

These days you rarely meet a cop unless you get pinged for something like speeding, and you now get that for fairly minor speed variations that are hard to totally control - even with cruise control on your speed varies with the slope on the road.

Still miffed about not being able to do 250 clicks an hour in your Porsche, Psyber

Nah, I got over that one in 1987 after not being convicted for that then.
I do still smart a bit about a couple in Victoria for being 4 kph over the 60 kph limit in a Musso.
(Allowing only a 3kph margin there makes it tricky watching the road and your speedo all the time.)

[kickinit]

After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

so what your saying is we actually waste money on cops, we could basically have cctv everywhere and not have to waste tax payers money on cops?

so by sticking to the book they where allowed to enter a crime scene and not be followed by a cop. Take away the fact the cops stopped them or not you would think they would be right behind them to make sure they didn't arm them selfs or disturb the crime scene, also to protect the officers that where inside the house.

Not sure what your beef is with this kickit, are you actually aware how many Polie Officers were inside the premises for a start

no i don't know how many where inside at the time. but you would think the officers would of followed them in to keep a eye on them. whats the point of having police officers if they ain't going to do anything. how would of you felt if you where one of the cops inisde and all of a sudden you had 5 bikies walk in and start on you all, and all because your mates out the front didn't do anything.

[locky801]

Quite simply, there were alot more inside than outside, FFS give it a rest

[kickinit]

Quite simply, there were alot more inside than outside, FFS give it a rest

quite simply those officers shouldn't have a badge if there too scared to stand up people breaking the law. they are paid and trained to deal with these situations and they failed to do there job. those guys would of never done anything to those officers if they had stood up to them and stopped them from entering.

[GWW]

they are paid and trained to deal with these situations and they failed to do there job.

I suspect that what they did - or didn't do - was according to the training they actually received.

[kickinit]

they are paid and trained to deal with these situations and they failed to do there job.

I suspect that what they did - or didn't do - was according to the training they actually received.

I thought we had police officers to stop people from breaking the law rather then allowing them to.

[Dogwatcher]

kickinit, you're a fool.

[therisingblues]

If you think SAPOL cops are weak you should come to Japan, you'd laugh your asses off.
My favorite, (amongst others) is the "seat belt trap", for drivers not wearing a seat belt. It's worth a good 15 minutes of your time if you see one.

[Booney]

After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.
However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.
Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them
Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.
That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

so what your saying is we actually waste money on cops, we could basically have cctv everywhere and not have to waste tax payers money on cops?
so by sticking to the book they where allowed to enter a crime scene and not be followed by a cop. Take away the fact the cops stopped them or not you would think they would be right behind them to make sure they didn't arm them selfs or disturb the crime scene, also to protect the officers that where inside the house.

Not sure what your beef is with this kickit, are you actually aware how many Polie Officers were inside the premises for a start

no i don't know how many where inside at the time. but you would think the officers would of followed them in to keep a eye on them. whats the point of having police officers if they ain't going to do anything. how would of you felt if you where one of the cops inisde and all of a sudden you had 5 bikies walk in and start on you all, and all because your mates out the front didn't do anything.

The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

[kickinit]

The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

[Booney]

@ kickinit

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea how SAPOL works and how they are trained.
That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

[footy1992]

The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...

[valleys07]

The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...

This.

[Booney]

The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...

I'd allow it if they made stupidity an offence punishable with incarceration.

[valleys07]

The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...

I'd allow it if they made stupidity an offence punishable with incarceration.

[Dogwatcher]

The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

So...you're posting from a totally unbiased perspective, then...

[kickinit]

I've never defended for what they did and I do think what they did was wrong. I just get annoyed when we have people employed by the government and don't do there job. There cops when they signed up for that job they knew they would be in dangerous situations (which this was not). If they can't handle a couple of bikies unarmed then they should be in there.

[Booney]

[kickinit]

I don't need to dig myself out of a hole. if you would like to quote me where i've defended them and said they didn't do anything against law go ahead, but if you had read all the previous post you would find that I haven't.