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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby locky801 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:42 am

kickinit wrote:
locky801 wrote:After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them ;)

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.


so what your saying is we actually waste money on cops, we could basically have cctv everywhere and not have to waste tax payers money on cops?

so by sticking to the book they where allowed to enter a crime scene and not be followed by a cop. Take away the fact the cops stopped them or not you would think they would be right behind them to make sure they didn't arm them selfs or disturb the crime scene, also to protect the officers that where inside the house.


Not sure what your beef is with this kickit, are you actually aware how many Polie Officers were inside the premises for a start
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby Psyber » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:17 am

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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby kickinit » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:52 am

locky801 wrote:
kickinit wrote:
locky801 wrote:After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them ;)

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.


so what your saying is we actually waste money on cops, we could basically have cctv everywhere and not have to waste tax payers money on cops?

so by sticking to the book they where allowed to enter a crime scene and not be followed by a cop. Take away the fact the cops stopped them or not you would think they would be right behind them to make sure they didn't arm them selfs or disturb the crime scene, also to protect the officers that where inside the house.


Not sure what your beef is with this kickit, are you actually aware how many Polie Officers were inside the premises for a start


no i don't know how many where inside at the time. but you would think the officers would of followed them in to keep a eye on them. whats the point of having police officers if they ain't going to do anything. how would of you felt if you where one of the cops inisde and all of a sudden you had 5 bikies walk in and start on you all, and all because your mates out the front didn't do anything.
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby locky801 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:14 pm

Quite simply, there were alot more inside than outside, FFS give it a rest :roll:
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby kickinit » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:56 pm

locky801 wrote:Quite simply, there were alot more inside than outside, FFS give it a rest :roll:


quite simply those officers shouldn't have a badge if there too scared to stand up people breaking the law. they are paid and trained to deal with these situations and they failed to do there job. those guys would of never done anything to those officers if they had stood up to them and stopped them from entering.
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby GWW » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:15 pm

kickinit wrote:they are paid and trained to deal with these situations and they failed to do there job.


I suspect that what they did - or didn't do - was according to the training they actually received.
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby kickinit » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:33 pm

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kickinit wrote:they are paid and trained to deal with these situations and they failed to do there job.


I suspect that what they did - or didn't do - was according to the training they actually received.


I thought we had police officers to stop people from breaking the law rather then allowing them to.
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby Dogwatcher » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:33 pm

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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby therisingblues » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:06 pm

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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby Booney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:20 am

kickinit wrote:
locky801 wrote:
kickinit wrote:
locky801 wrote:After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.
However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.
Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them ;)
Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.
That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

so what your saying is we actually waste money on cops, we could basically have cctv everywhere and not have to waste tax payers money on cops?
so by sticking to the book they where allowed to enter a crime scene and not be followed by a cop. Take away the fact the cops stopped them or not you would think they would be right behind them to make sure they didn't arm them selfs or disturb the crime scene, also to protect the officers that where inside the house.

Not sure what your beef is with this kickit, are you actually aware how many Polie Officers were inside the premises for a start

no i don't know how many where inside at the time. but you would think the officers would of followed them in to keep a eye on them. whats the point of having police officers if they ain't going to do anything. how would of you felt if you where one of the cops inisde and all of a sudden you had 5 bikies walk in and start on you all, and all because your mates out the front didn't do anything.


The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby kickinit » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:13 am

Booney wrote:The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!


I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby Booney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:38 am

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locky801 wrote:Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea how SAPOL works and how they are trained.
That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby footy1992 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:39 am

kickinit wrote:
Booney wrote:The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!


I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.


hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby valleys07 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:41 am

footy1992 wrote:
kickinit wrote:
Booney wrote:The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!


I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.


hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...


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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby Booney » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:43 am

footy1992 wrote:
kickinit wrote:
Booney wrote:The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...


I'd allow it if they made stupidity an offence punishable with incarceration. ;)
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby valleys07 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:47 am

Booney wrote:
footy1992 wrote:
kickinit wrote:
Booney wrote:The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!

I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.

hence why hearsay isn't admissible in a court of law...


I'd allow it if they made stupidity an offence punishable with incarceration. ;)


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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:02 pm

kickinit wrote:
Booney wrote:The bloke has been a copper for 34 years, has quite an intimate knowledge of the actual incident ( as opposed to what you saw on Channel 7 ) and you're still arguing with him!


I was actually told about the situation by someone that was actually there.


So...you're posting from a totally unbiased perspective, then...
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby kickinit » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:14 pm

I've never defended for what they did and I do think what they did was wrong. I just get annoyed when we have people employed by the government and don't do there job. There cops when they signed up for that job they knew they would be in dangerous situations (which this was not). If they can't handle a couple of bikies unarmed then they should be in there.
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Re: If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is O

Postby kickinit » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:37 pm

I don't need to dig myself out of a hole. if you would like to quote me where i've defended them and said they didn't do anything against law go ahead, but if you had read all the previous post you would find that I haven't.
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