by redandblack » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:46 pm
by Chuck Wepner » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:57 pm
by Bully » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:01 pm
by dedja » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:03 pm
by bulldogproud2 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:05 pm
Bully wrote:thats what the 'say' they want. but i am positive its more then that as usual. I would love what they are asking for im my industry....but i would never get it, so why should they
by bulldogproud2 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:11 pm
dedja wrote:it's not the headline pay increases that are the issue ... it's the raft of out of date conditions that they either seek to cement or stonewall Qantas to restrict the company's ability to be internationally competitive.
As an Australian based international company, Qantas (within reasonable means) should be able to restructure the company to improve productivity and reduce costs.
The real showdown is the union's complete abhorrence at the proposed measures that Qantas may apply to 'offshore' capability and services.
They're too stupid to realise that these measures will provide long term security for Qantas and it's employees (better to have most on ongoing employment than none).
In some ways, this situation is not too dis-similar to the efforts of Patrick to reform the waterfront a few years ago.
by bulldogproud2 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:23 pm
dedja wrote:it's not the headline pay increases that are the issue ... it's the raft of out of date conditions that they either seek to cement or stonewall Qantas to restrict the company's ability to be internationally competitive.
by sherminator » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:33 pm
by dedja » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:45 pm
bulldogproud2 wrote:dedja wrote:it's not the headline pay increases that are the issue ... it's the raft of out of date conditions that they either seek to cement or stonewall Qantas to restrict the company's ability to be internationally competitive.
As an Australian based international company, Qantas (within reasonable means) should be able to restructure the company to improve productivity and reduce costs.
The real showdown is the union's complete abhorrence at the proposed measures that Qantas may apply to 'offshore' capability and services.
They're too stupid to realise that these measures will provide long term security for Qantas and it's employees (better to have most on ongoing employment than none).
In some ways, this situation is not too dis-similar to the efforts of Patrick to reform the waterfront a few years ago.
Whilst it may provide long term security for QANTAS, it will mean loss of employment for many of its Australian workforce, replacing them with foreign labour.
Re the Patrick case, you will remember that Patrick were forced in the end to re-employ their Australian staff, against the wishes of Patrick.
by dedja » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:48 pm
bulldogproud2 wrote:dedja wrote:it's not the headline pay increases that are the issue ... it's the raft of out of date conditions that they either seek to cement or stonewall Qantas to restrict the company's ability to be internationally competitive.
If the safety of employees and regular safety checks on aircraft are out of date, then, yes.
However, I would much rather, as a passenger, travel on an aircraft that is safe and not likely to drop out of the sky in the cause of cost-cutting. QANTAS used to enjoy the reputation of being the safest airline in the skies but, unfortunately, in the pursuit of cost-cutting has had a number of safety issues that have seen it fall well down the list.
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-new ... 1jj3k.html
by HOORAY PUNT » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:52 pm
by dedja » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:53 pm
by am Bays » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:57 pm
by HOORAY PUNT » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:08 pm
by redandblack » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:14 pm
by Dogwatcher » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:23 pm
by Dirko » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:47 pm
dedja wrote:it's not the headline pay increases that are the issue ... it's the raft of out of date conditions that they either seek to cement or stonewall Qantas to restrict the company's ability to be internationally competitive.
by dedja » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:01 pm
by Pseudo » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:06 pm
sherminator wrote:Hypothetically speaking, if Qantas were to return to a solely Australian based workforce, therefore having to incur higher operating costs due to our higher wages etc., how many of you would be willing to pay the higher ticket prices and continue flying Qantas rather than using cheaper carriers?
by redandblack » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:09 pm
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