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Postby JAS » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:25 am

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pafc1870 wrote:Is there any word on what the penalties will be if these people are found to have hacked peoples phones?


Put them in the stocks in the town square and throw **** at them.

What will really happen is sweet FA.


Wouldn't be so sure about the sweet FA bit. We've been happy enough to put politicians and peers behind bars in recent years or recent months in fact...no reason why we wouldn't do the same to journo's. Same goes for the Yanks if they do find just cause to get involved...Lord Conrad Black being the recent example that springs to mind...

ANNNNNNNND...yet another one down...Assistant Commissioner of the Met just resigned...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14181344

Met Police Assistant Commissioner John Yates has resigned as the phone-hacking scandal fall-out continues.

He checked the credentials of Neil Wallis before the Met employed the ex-News of the World executive, arrested last week over hacking allegations.

Mr Yates indicated his intention to resign to the chairman of the Met Police Authority, which was accepted.

Mr Yates's decison to quit comes after Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson resigned on Sunday.

The resignation of Sir Paul, the most senior policeman in Britain, came after he faced criticism for the recruitment of Mr Wallis as a PR consultant.


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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:01 am

Another inquiry announced...this time into police corruption...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14181344

Ms May announced that HM Inspectorate of Constabulary would launch an inquiry into corruption in the police, and Independent Police Complaints Commission investigations on the same issue would be part of the judge-led inquiry into the hacking scandal.


...and now one of the original NotW 'whistleblowers' has been found dead...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/ju ... sean-hoare

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:39 pm

If anyone who wants to see the Select Committee try to question the Murdoch's and Rebekah this is the timetable...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14195259
TUESDAY'S HEARINGS

1200: Home affairs committee to hear from Sir Paul Stephenson
1315 approx: John Yates to appear before home affairs committee
1430: Culture, media and sport committee to question Rupert and James Murdoch
1530: Committee to question Rebekah Brooks

Those are obviously UK times...so 1430 is 11pm Adelaide time

If your media are still pretending nothing's happening then CNN are apparently showing it live online...
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europ ... ?hpt=hp_c2
I'm not sure if the BBC website makes their live stuff available outside the UK and same goes for Sky News but any of the previously posted links for them should take you to their websites to check.

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby RustyCage » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:48 pm

JAS, you are providing a better coverage for us than all Aussie media combined, cheers! :D
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:05 pm

pafc1870 wrote:JAS, you are providing a better coverage for us than all Aussie media combined, cheers! :D


Thanks and you're very welcome luv :D

Must admit I'm still a bit surprised at how little coverage you seem to have had especially as he is one of your country's most famous son's after Rolf and Dame Edna of course ;) Even the Russia Today channel was non stop about it last night when we had the first related death.

Don't expect too much from Rebekah...they just said on the radio that due to her arrest she will now be allowed to have a legal advisor with her to determine what questions she can and cannot answer...surprise, surprise.

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby RustyCage » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:36 pm

JAS wrote:Don't expect too much from Rebekah...they just said on the radio that due to her arrest she will now be allowed to have a legal advisor with her to determine what questions she can and cannot answer...surprise, surprise.


Which will be every single question we would be interested in the answer to!
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:46 pm

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JAS wrote:Don't expect too much from Rebekah...they just said on the radio that due to her arrest she will now be allowed to have a legal advisor with her to determine what questions she can and cannot answer...surprise, surprise.


Which will be every single question we would be interested in the answer to!


Yeh that was pretty much expected. Doubt the Murdoch's will be giving much away either but might be worth watching for the chance to see how uncomfortable they could get.

I'll bet our satirical shows like Have I Got News For You and Mock The Week are spitting feathers at missing all this. Unfortunately it's all happening during the gap between series...would have been comedy gold for them and us.

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby Gozu » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:33 pm

The Rupert Murdoch grilling will be shown live tonight on ABC News 24, Channel 7, Channel 9 and Channel 10.

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/07/new ... quiry.html

Stephen Mayne in Crikey:

Plenty of advice is being given to the British MPs who will tonight probably end Rupert Murdoch’s 58-year run as CEO of News by simply allowing him to self-destruct in front of a huge global television audience.

The News Corp independent directors are already preparing to install Chase Carey as CEO, based on leaks to Bloomberg by people who have watched Rupert struggling through rehearsals.

The Sun King is in an impossible position. He is entirely responsible for creating and rewarding a toxic culture; the evidence is there for all to see and the cover-up will lead to numerous people going to jail, possibly including his own son, James, and his longest-serving lieutenant Les Hinton.


http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/07/19/rup ... f-murdoch/
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby Pseudo » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:01 pm

pafc1870 wrote:JAS, you are providing a better coverage for us than all Aussie media combined, cheers! :D

Proving that she's better at hacking mobile phones than any of our local journos :lol:
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:08 pm

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pafc1870 wrote:JAS, you are providing a better coverage for us than all Aussie media combined, cheers! :D

Proving that she's better at hacking mobile phones than any of our local journos :lol:

:lol: this Luddite wouldn't even know where to start...only got my first ever mobile in December.

Gozu wrote:The Rupert Murdoch grilling will be shown live tonight on ABC News 24, Channel 7, Channel 9 and Channel 10.


Brilliant Gozu...would have been crazy if no one showed it.

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:33 am

WOW :shock: for those that didn't see it just as the Murdoch session was drawing to a close (having overrun by about 90 mins) it looks like a member of the audience in the chamber lunged at Rupert with what looked like a plate.

Needless to say the man was very quickly arrested...after apparently being hit on the head by Mrs Murdoch. Pictures from the lobby show the man and police apparently splattered with shaving foam. I suspect it's one of those pie-in-the-face idiots that try to ambush celebrities.

The committee room has been cleared and the meeting suspended for now. According to Sky News when they restart there will be no audience and no press. They are still waiting to see if tv cameras will be allowed.

They've just said the guy in question is a comedian called Jonnie Marbles. Now removed in handcuffs. As much as I dislike the Murdochs assaulting any 80yo is a bloody disgrace.

They've now resumed with the Murdochs...Rupert minus his jacket...the chairman having apologized to Rupert and promised a full investigation into the assault.

Will no doubt be on YouTube very soon.

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby Trader » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:36 am

Ok, conspiracy theory time.

The pie man was a plant by the Murdoch team as a distraction.
As a result, a significant portion of the press will be about pie-man rather than the hearing itself.

Very simple thing to do at a relatively small cost to take them off the front page.

You know it makes sense.
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby Mythical Creature » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:57 am

Trader wrote:Ok, conspiracy theory time.

The pie man was a plant by the Murdoch team as a distraction.
As a result, a significant portion of the press will be about pie-man rather than the hearing itself.

Very simple thing to do at a relatively small cost to take them off the front page.

You know it makes sense.


Thought that myself. How else does a guy wearing a flanalette shirt and jeans, carrying a plate of shaving cream get past security at a place like that? :?
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby Q. » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:40 pm

Murdoch hearing: everything you need to know
by Bernard Keane

Rupert Murdoch claims to have been kept in the dark about major developments in the phone hacking scandal at the News of the World, which was “1%” of his company, and James Murdoch was unable to recall key information at their joint appearance before the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee inquiry into phone hacking overnight.

In three hours of evidence before MPs, the Murdochs admitted:

* Rupert could not remember who had first told him about the scandal;
* Rupert was guilty of “laxity” in relation to the scandal because the News of the World formed such a small part of his business;
* Rupert not aware Rebekah Brooks had admitted payments to police in 2003, and believed she had corrected her position on the issue “quickly”;
* Rupert was not told of huge settlements to Gordon Taylor and Max Clifford;
* James would not countenance the idea of releasing Taylor from the confidentiality requirements of his settlement;
* Rupert had never heard of Neville Thurlbeck, the NotW journalists arrested earlier this year;
* James reluctantly admitted that the company is still contributing to the legal bills of Glen Mulcaire, the private investigator responsible for hacking the phone of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler. Both Murdochs claimed this was on legal advice. Pressed to stop contributing to Mulcaire’s legal advice, Rupert agreed to do so if he was allowed to “contractually”;
* Like the payments for Mulcaire’s legal advice, the settlement with Gordon Taylor was made only because of legal advice;
* Rupert rang the editor of the Sunday Times weekly but the News of the World fortnightly, and did not seek specific information about any stories in the outlet; and
* James repeatedly claimed he could not recall, or did not have the specifics of, key information about the scandal.

In contrast to the Murdochs, Rebekah Brooks gave an assured performance before the committee after her former employers, fending off aggressive questioning and claiming that News International’s internal financial structures were a key reason she had no knowledge of Mulcaire’s action. As editor, she argued, her role was to obtain a global budget for the masthead, which was then managed by the associate editor and deputy editors. It is they who were responsible for authorizing payments. She also again tried to clarify her disastrous 2003 admission as editor that the NotW had paid police for information “in the past”, saying she personally had never authorized payments to police.

The really significant political development of the day, however, was before the Commons Home Affairs Committee, which heard from, successively, the outgoing Metropolitan Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson, his Public Affairs director Dick Fedorico, his former deputy John Yates and former DPP Ken MacDonald, hired by News Corporation to conduct an internal investigation.

Stephenson revealed that he had offered Prime Minister David Cameron’s chief of staff Ed Llewellyn a briefing on the scandal last year, and been turned down. It also emerged that Neil Wallis, a former NotW deputy editor arrested last week over the scandal, had worked with Cameron’s press adviser and former NotW editor Andy Coulson on the Tory campaign in 2009 before being employed by Yates at the Metropolitan Police.

The direct connection between Wallis and the Cameron campaign brings the scandal closer to 10 Downing St, already linked directly via Andy Coulson.

Lord Macdonald also told the committee that within minutes of examining NotW emails at the request of the News Corporation board, he decided the material needed to go to the police, as it was “blindingly obvious” that it showed corrupt payments to police.

News International’s handling of emails and other material in relation to the scandal has repeatedly shown to be flawed, with claims of “full cooperation” with the police undermined by the apparent withholding of relevant material. Yates accused the company of a “deliberate cover-up” and suggested more at the company should follow his and Stephenson’s lead and resign.
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby Trader » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:57 pm

Quichey wrote:In contrast to the Murdochs, Rebekah Brooks gave an assured performance before the committee


Are we really surprised that the person who was more heavily involved in it was able to give a clearer account of the events?
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:37 pm

Mythical Creature wrote:
Trader wrote:Ok, conspiracy theory time.

The pie man was a plant by the Murdoch team as a distraction.
As a result, a significant portion of the press will be about pie-man rather than the hearing itself.

Very simple thing to do at a relatively small cost to take them off the front page.

You know it makes sense.


Thought that myself. How else does a guy wearing a flanalette shirt and jeans, carrying a plate of shaving cream get past security at a place like that? :?


Nah unlikely imho. Yeh obviously he's got some press out of it but the majority of coverage is the Q&A's with the Murdochs and Brooks.

Security breaches by idiots is not uncommon ...Fathers For Justice have done it a few times and also other protest groups have managed to get into Parliament...including popstar Brian Ferry's son and his pro-hunting mob.

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:20 pm

'Jonnie Marbles' now charged with a public order offence and will appear in court on Friday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14212485

...it also links to an update on what Julia Gillard has to say...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14212954

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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby Brucetiki » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:09 pm

Mythical Creature wrote:
Trader wrote:Ok, conspiracy theory time.

The pie man was a plant by the Murdoch team as a distraction.
As a result, a significant portion of the press will be about pie-man rather than the hearing itself.

Very simple thing to do at a relatively small cost to take them off the front page.

You know it makes sense.


Thought that myself. How else does a guy wearing a flanalette shirt and jeans, carrying a plate of shaving cream get past security at a place like that? :?


Same here. Also, the very sympathetic coverage the News Corp papers gave the 'attack' made it even more sus (made Rupert sound like some frail pensioner that's been mugged).
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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby JAS » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:56 pm

Brucetiki wrote:
Mythical Creature wrote:
Trader wrote:Ok, conspiracy theory time.

The pie man was a plant by the Murdoch team as a distraction.
As a result, a significant portion of the press will be about pie-man rather than the hearing itself.

Very simple thing to do at a relatively small cost to take them off the front page.

You know it makes sense.


Thought that myself. How else does a guy wearing a flanalette shirt and jeans, carrying a plate of shaving cream get past security at a place like that? :?


Same here. Also, the very sympathetic coverage the News Corp papers gave the 'attack' made it even more sus (made Rupert sound like some frail pensioner that's been mugged).


Still don't believe that even the Murdochs would be so crass as to arrange a stunt like that during a televised session that included questions asked about the abuse of privacy of families of raped and murdered school girls...

The video quality is pretty bad but this might demonstrate just how crap security is there and how lessons of previous breaches obviously haven't been learnt...purple powder incident and the hunt protesters incident...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvzKRcgygtA

This might account for how the idiot got into the public audience area of the chamber in the first place...being a card carrying member of a political party might make it easier than you think...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14209268
His membership of the Labour Party was suspended on Tuesday night.

A spokesman said: "He was a member although his subscriptions were in arrears. It was despicable behaviour and he has been immediately suspended."


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Re: News Ltd hacked murdered girl's 'phone.

Postby bayman » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:00 pm

rupert comes from adelaide, does anyone know what team (if any) he barracked for in his early days
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