Capital Punishment

[westcoastpanther]

Because Titus Andronicus says so.

What ZC says, by murdering the murderer you remove his/hers burden of guilt and wear it as your own.

Bet TA didn't live in this day and age where the legal system is a joke, protecting the guilty almost. We must rehabilitate them, FFS

Fact is, most prisoners are not incarcerated for life, most re-enter society. Dehumanise them (instead of rehabilitating them) and you make society less safe.

What's probably a more well known fact is that jails provide a tertiary criminal education that hardens up most cons. I'd bet a lot more come out worse than better, rehab....pfft

[Pseudo]

How about we just settle on some good ol' public floggings or a stoning or two. Bring back the lash!!!

Sod that. Bring back the PILLORY!

[OnSong]

Don't google image search "pillory" at work with your safe settings off.

[Lightning McQueen]

Don't google image search "pillory" at work with your safe settings off.

Don't tell me to don't do something in the future.

[OnSong]

Don't google image search "pillory" at work with your safe settings off.

Don't tell me to don't do something in the future.

We are both to blame.

[Leaping Lindner]

Serious question. Why is murdering an innocent child different from murdering an innocent adult?

If you ignore all the emotional & physical rationalisation involved, nothing.

If you look at reasoning for the murders case by case, plenty.

And your answer is ?

Agreed there is a answer for case by case. A pre meditated murder (adult or child) is obviously worse than say a spur of the moment crime of passion.
I'd lock particularly heinous murderers up for life without the possibility of parole, preferably in super max isolated from lesser offenders. And while we are at have a total revamp of the judical system.

[Dirko]

Agreed there is a answer for case by case. A pre meditated murder (adult or child) is obviously worse than say a spur of the moment crime of passion.
I'd lock particularly heinous murderers up for life without the possibility of parole, preferably in super max isolated from lesser offenders. And while we are at have a total revamp of the judical system.

Agreed. And the case I initially referred to was a pre-meditated murder of his own child which would rate as one of most heinous of crimes imaginable.

Same can be said for Freeman, John Sharpe and Farquharson.

[Q.]

Because Titus Andronicus says so.

What ZC says, by murdering the murderer you remove his/hers burden of guilt and wear it as your own.

Bet TA didn't live in this day and age where the legal system is a joke, protecting the guilty almost. We must rehabilitate them, FFS

Fact is, most prisoners are not incarcerated for life, most re-enter society. Dehumanise them (instead of rehabilitating them) and you make society less safe.

What's probably a more well known fact is that jails provide a tertiary criminal education that hardens up most cons. I'd bet a lot more come out worse than better, rehab....pfft

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

[dedja]

Noble thought but there has to be a consequence for a crime ... and I'm not talking about vengeance.

[RustyCage]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

[OnSong]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

I don't think so...

[Q.]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

No, I'm saying that when the judicial system feels that incarcerating someone will serve no benefit to the individual or society then...they won't send them to jail.

[Psyber]

What's probably a more well known fact is that jails provide a tertiary criminal education that hardens up most cons. I'd bet a lot more come out worse than better, rehab....pfft

True, but only if you let them out of their cells to talk to each other..

More seriously, some people who commit crimes may be able to be rehabilitated or re-educated if caught young enough.
Others may be hardened and entrenched criminals, or simply innately sociopathic - the problem is telling who is which and treating them accordingly.
This is another situation where there is no single approach that works for all.

[westcoastpanther]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

No, I'm saying that when the judicial system feels that incarcerating someone will serve no benefit to the individual or society then...they won't send them to jail.

If you agree with this then you are the exact type of person in todays society that worries me. Do the crime, do the time, a long, long time. If it costs more then so be it. I'd be happy for my taxes to go up so long as my family are safe.

Remove the scum from our lives

[Q.]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

No, I'm saying that when the judicial system feels that incarcerating someone will serve no benefit to the individual or society then...they won't send them to jail.

If you agree with this then you are the exact type of person in todays society that worries me. Do the crime, do the time, a long, long time. If it costs more then so be it. I'd be happy for my taxes to go up so long as my family are safe.

Remove the scum from our lives

But you can't put everyone away forever. And if incarcerating someone does more harm to the individual than good, ie. dehumanises them, makes them more of social misfit, then your family becomes less safe because most criminals re-enter society.

I'm going in circles, time to jump out of this thread.

[RustyCage]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

No, I'm saying that when the judicial system feels that incarcerating someone will serve no benefit to the individual or society then...they won't send them to jail.

what do we do then?

[westcoastpanther]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

No, I'm saying that when the judicial system feels that incarcerating someone will serve no benefit to the individual or society then...they won't send them to jail.

what do we do then?

Shoot the bastards yourself.....

[Booney]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

No, I'm saying that when the judicial system feels that incarcerating someone will serve no benefit to the individual or society then...they won't send them to jail.

what do we do then?

Send them back into the community with a "case manager" helping them.

[scoob]

Then obviously our prison system is failing us and adds further weight to the argument that incarceration should be a last resort for many people.

So you are saying a lot of people who are in jail should be back out on the streets instead?

No, I'm saying that when the judicial system feels that incarcerating someone will serve no benefit to the individual or society then...they won't send them to jail.

what do we do then?

Tell them not to do it again... if they do, tell them not to do it again in a more stern voice...

[Lightning McQueen]

what do we do then?

Make them write 500 lines.