How do i answer this

[Dogwatcher]

I don't think there is a silent majority any more - everyone has their chance to have their say.

[Dogwatcher]

Your response to the considered responses you received suggests you weren't looking to find an actual response, just to verify and air you own beliefs on the issue.

[The Bedge]

oh and as usual its the do gooders with the loudest voices
can anyone please explain why being disrespectful and being disobedient then be rewarded for it does anyone any good??????
sorry for not being one of the silent magority

I'm not trying to find an argument here - I was trying to find out some insight into the situation so I had a better understanding..

a) What school is it?
b) How are they being rewarded - by having this separate room?
c) How do you know they aren't being punished and dealt with in this room? What happens in there? How do you know they get to do whatever?
d) Have you asked the school about it?
e) Is you concern that there is an "exclusive room", that is has food and electronics in there or that they are sent there when they misbehave - or all of the above?

[Brodlach]

I don't think that is fair on stampy, I think his question was legitimate. As I said I would also be flummoxed if asked that question and in reasonably well educated. In my 45 years I have never encountered this before

[The Bedge]

I don't think that is fair on stampy, I think his question was legitimate. As I said I would also be flummoxed if asked that question and in reasonably well educated. In my 45 years I have never encountered this before

The question was very fair and legitimate - the response to others responses wasn't so great..

so i should tell my lad that its one rule for white people and another for the indigenous people?? and i should also pretend that i agree with all this tripe like a lot of misguided people are??

people like yourself cant see the woods for the trees, you say i should tell my kids to put up with unfair treatment!

i need to educate myself you say, you mean fall into line and just stfu and let this rubbish continue

[Brodlach]

Thus why I said the question was legitimate not some of the responses

[stampy]

deadly serious, people like yourself cant see the woods for the trees, you say i should tell my kids to put up with unfair treatment! are you fair dinkum?!

Listen bud, don't even act like you have any sort of idea what it's like to be a young aboriginal lad growing up. You talk about preferential treatment and different rules for different people, but you have absolutely no idea - you see what you want to see, you believe what you want to believe!

I grew up in a single parent household, one of 4 kids that my mum raised on her own. She had no job, or license and had depression issues which then resulted in a alcohol dependency. Despite this, was still fed, cleaned, clothed and had a roof over our heads and were grateful for what we had.

Went to a primary school where I was the only aboriginal kid, and there was one kid from Iran and the rest were white kids from affluent households and parents who openly would look down on people who were different. If it wasn't hard enough fitting in as the only black kid, there was the embarrassment that came with not having the money others had - not being able to afford to go on camps or trips or whatever, not having the latest Nike shoes or whatever.. it's not easy fitting in with your peers, and kids can be incredibly cruel at times.

People couldn't relate because they weren't or didn't experience these things, and constantly had to deal with the stigma that all aboriginals were lazy, disrespectful no hopers who got everything given to them on a platter and constant hand outs. It reached a point where I was beginning to feel embarrassed and ashamed of my background. Being the butt of every aboriginal joke going around, being called a "boong" or a "coon" wasn't a great feeling.

There were no support networks at school, I was constantly in trouble for being the class clown and rapidly heading in the wrong direction because it was easier for the school to suspend me than anything else, and my distain and lack of interest/respect for school and learning environments reflected how I perceived their interest in me.

I've seen other families/communities that are low socio-economic that have it a lot worse than what I had it, and the barriers they have to overcome just to get to school in the first place.. don't underestimate just how difficult that can be sometimes on its own.

I'm not saying these rooms are the perfect answer in schools, but do not for one minute think that aboriginal students are put on a pedestal above your own, and that they are receiving preferential treatment - you don't have any idea what these kids are dealing with behind the scenes or at home, and until you understand the difficulties surrounding growing up in that environment then you'll never really know what it's like.

Despite what people believe happens to black people, I never got hand outs, I never got preferential treatment, I did everything the hard way. I work hard, I pay tax, I contribute to society and I'm determined to make sure my children get the best upbringing that can get, and in turn they continue on with their kids and make a better life in the long run. That includes being open minded and accepting of other people and cultures whilst also being very proud of their own.

Harped on long enough, probably haven't even made any sense and gone off topic - the bottom line is though if schools etc. don't TRY something to help these kids change or improve then they are only contributing to prolonging the problem longer, and then your kids and grandkids will still perceive aboriginal people in the same light that many other rednecks do still... and it's a vicious roundabout that continues on and on..

No one is perfect, no "race" is perfect - I'm sure there are plenty of Anglo-Saxon kids in schools that act the same way and probably have similar setups at some schools.

i never said i had any idea what it was like to be indigenous bud

[stampy]

ahhh the head kahuna doesnt like something he reads so uses the old delete post button, still pathetic i see

[stampy]

I don't think that is fair on stampy, I think his question was legitimate. As I said I would also be flummoxed if asked that question and in reasonably well educated. In my 45 years I have never encountered this before

The question was very fair and legitimate - the response to others responses wasn't so great..

so i should tell my lad that its one rule for white people and another for the indigenous people?? and i should also pretend that i agree with all this tripe like a lot of misguided people are??

people like yourself cant see the woods for the trees, you say i should tell my kids to put up with unfair treatment!

i need to educate myself you say, you mean fall into line and just stfu and let this rubbish continue

hey wedgie balls up and reinstate the post

[Wedgie]

I didn't delete any posts stampy.....

[Wedgie]

Just checked the moderators log which all moderators have access to and no posts have been deleted by anyone in this topic mate.
What did the post say and who wrote it?

[valleys07]

Thanks for sharing Zartan!

[stampy]

[quote="HH3"]If you've ever seen me discuss something with Wedgie, we're usually butting heads, not agreeing.

Don't ask a question if you already think you know the answer

i have an opinion whether you think its right or not is up to you

[Jase]

Stampy, hey mate... Not having a crack or anything so please don't think I am... I'm just wondering if you have seen this room for yourself, or are you going off of what Young Stampy has said?

The reason I ask is I have a couple of young fellas (12 and 13) and I work at the school that they attend. Some of the stuff that they tell me with regards to what they have seen or think happens isn't actually the case. They get the info 2nd hand and it's not accurate...

So I would suggest ringing the school and getting the full story.

[tigerpie]

Great question stampy! Its started a stimulating conversation.
Some posters have nailed it in one.
A warm bed, a decent meal, steady family environment is something our kids take for granted.
However, this isnt the soul domain of indigenous kids. Lots and lots of non indigenous kids don't have the basics either.
Do they have the same type of refuge when they get cranky? Answer... yes.
Obviously for cultural reasons they have a room just for them. In these rooms during time out they should be learning about their culture and not just an internet free for all .
Teach the lad tolerance mate. He'll work it out.

[Pseudo]

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/community/aboriginal

Yeah I've already looked it up but it seems more tailored for groups.

Throw a bunch of loganberries on the field the next time you go to an AFL game, then you'll get a personal invitation to the course!

[whufc]

At the end of the day, kids will not understand why others get more advantages than them when they do the wrong thing and get rewarded just because they are indigenous. IMO it breeds a dislike into the kids towards them which ironically is what everyone is trying to stamp out.

And kids will also not understand how underprivileged some other kids are in different homes until it's explained to them properly and they're made aware.

Simple things that most take for granted like a good breakfast, healthy diet, fresh new clothes and shoes, stable family life.. these are things most people give no second thought to.

Everything you have said has been perfect mate.

It's a very fine line with that conversation as well because you don't want the child to think ALL Indiginous people come from disadvantaged homes or unstable family life because that would possibly give the kid a stigma and potentially want to avoid interaction with those children.

It's such a tough topic to explain to the child.

If the teachers or schools won't assist is there any other agencies or sources that can provide kid friendly information

[whufc]

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/community/aboriginal

Yeah I've already looked it up but it seems more tailored for groups.

Flick Paul Vandenbergh an email, I'd say it's likely a group would need a spot filled at some point ( if they have a minimum number for the group programs ) or there may be people, like you, who want to attend a program but not as part of a group.

Paul Vanderbergh will definitely help you out as would Ross Wait who is also amazing at his job and always looking to help

[Brodlach]

I asked my boys about this (13&14) and both said their schools didn't have such rooms to their knowledge.

[Booney]

I asked my boys about this (13&14) and both said their schools didn't have such rooms to their knowledge.

The school my niece will soon attend down in the Seaford area has such facilities, the building is in an enclosed yard that the non-indigenous children are asked not to enter into.