This world of our's...

[whufc]

They would enter via legitimate means. It makes no sense to run the asylum seeking gauntlet.

I think once through the benefits of coming in as a refugee would out weigh the risk of the asylum gauntlet aka help with housing, finances, finding work it would help be an easier way to make connections, build relationships and immerse yourself with your key demographic.

Also the scrutiny and surveillance etc I would imagine would be next to none once you have been granted refugee status, could be wrong

[Q.]

They would enter via legitimate means. It makes no sense to run the asylum seeking gauntlet.

They were just saying on cnn (admittedly not the greatest source)

But a lot of these refugees are able to enter these countries with zero paperwork (only having to answer intensive questioning) due to the fact that thousands of Syrian regfugees have had to leave so quickly and without warning they don't always have their passports, paperwork etc.

The 11 million that fled into neighbouring countries like Turkey may not have had passports, but the 500,000 or so that went to Europe had passports and were fingerprinted etc.

But, that led to a heavy trade in stolen and counterfeit Syrian passports.

[Q.]

They would enter via legitimate means. It makes no sense to run the asylum seeking gauntlet.

Of course, the people we are referring to are very considered, level headed people who make rational, reasonable decisions.

But they are calculated, organised and efficient. That's my point.

[whufc]

They would enter via legitimate means. It makes no sense to run the asylum seeking gauntlet.

They were just saying on cnn (admittedly not the greatest source)

But a lot of these refugees are able to enter these countries with zero paperwork (only having to answer intensive questioning) due to the fact that thousands of Syrian regfugees have had to leave so quickly and without warning they don't always have their passports, paperwork etc.

The 11 million that fled into neighbouring countries like Turkey may not have had passports, but the 500,000 or so that went to Europe had passports and were fingerprinted etc.

But, that led to a heavy trade in stolen and counterfeit Syrian passports.

Yep don't imagine it would to be hard for an organisation with IS resources and money to develope the knowledge to create one countries fake passports

[Booney]

They would enter via legitimate means. It makes no sense to run the asylum seeking gauntlet.

Of course, the people we are referring to are very considered, level headed people who make rational, reasonable decisions.

But they are calculated, organised and efficient. That's my point.

So they'll do whatever they have to, to reach the desired outcome?

In brief, do you not see Syrian refugees as a threat to any nation who accepts them, in any way, at all?

[whufc]

They would enter via legitimate means. It makes no sense to run the asylum seeking gauntlet.

Of course, the people we are referring to are very considered, level headed people who make rational, reasonable decisions.

But they are calculated, organised and efficient. That's my point.

So they'll do whatever they have to, to reach the desired outcome?

In brief, do you not see Syrian refugees as a threat to any nation who accepts them, in any way, at all?

For me genuine Syrian refugees are no threat but unfortunately the lines between the genuine and the fakes are getting very blurred, the fakes will be coming here with serious intent does that outway the good of accepting genuine refugees I got no idea

[Q.]

So they'll do whatever they have to, to reach the desired outcome?

Again, their strategy is calculated. I'm not just guessing here either, it's been well documented in AUSTRAC and other intelligence reports.

In brief, do you not see Syrian refugees as a threat to any nation who accepts them, in any way, at all?

No

[Booney]

What we know about the terrorists :

Ahmed Almuhamed – killed at the Bataclan

A Syrian passport bearing the name Ahmed Ahmuhamed, 25, was found on the body of a suicide bomber after attackers stormed the Bataclan Theatre and started firing at audience members during a concert by the rock band Eagles of Death Metal.

Ferry tickets show Almuhamed arrived on the Greek island of Leros on October 3, having posed as a Syrian refugee, along with another man, Mohammed Almuhamed, who is believed to be a relative.

Serbian media report he applied for asylum in Serbia before crossing into Croatia and Austria, and making his way to France.

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[Q.]

This article best sums up my 'no' answer

http://indaily.com.au/opinion/2015/11/1 ... terrorism/

and in particular, this quote:

"The route taken into France by one of these attackers is less of an issue than the route taken out by many more disillusioned citizens"

[Booney]

It was only early September that ISIS stated they had sent "thousands" of extremists into Europe under the guise of being refugees. You say they are calculated and efficient. Seems calculated and efficient to me.

It was said, they said, "Just wait".

Well.....

[Q.]

Doesn't apply to here though.

[Booney]

Right here, right now? Probably not.

Might it? Probably.

Is "probably" a risk I ( and many others ) are willing to take? Probably not.

[Q.]

Far greater risks lie elsewhere.

[Q.]

Can't believe I'm quoting Brandis, but he said it best today in response to Andrew Fraser's hysterics:

“Australia is the most successful multicultural society in the world and the Muslim community are a very important element of Australian society. The fact that a very small minority of fanatics defy the teachings of the Islamic religion by engaging in terrorist crime, whether overseas or, as we have seen on three instances now in the last year, in Australia, should not reflect upon the Muslim community. The worst thing we could do is to alienate the Muslim community. They are our fellow citizens and they are our necessary partners in combating this menace.”

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/16/george-brandis-alienating-australian-muslims-the-worst-thing-we-could-do?CMP=soc_567

[whufc]

Far greater risks lie elsewhere.

But to say no risk exists as you did imho seems very naive and thwart with danger and in this simple case has been proven to be wrong.

Could this be case of everything else in life where 'the small minority ruin it for everyone'

[whufc]

This article best sums up my 'no' answer

http://indaily.com.au/opinion/2015/11/1 ... terrorism/

and in particular, this quote:

"The route taken into France by one of these attackers is less of an issue than the route taken out by many more disillusioned citizens"

The fact is though if they don't get back into the country then they are no threat on our home soil.

[Q.]

Far greater risks lie elsewhere.

But to say no risk exists as you did imho seems very naive and thwart with danger.

Could this be case of everything else in life where 'the small minority ruin it for everyone'

It's not naive. It's been well-established by several institutions that the risk is so small it is insignificant.

[whufc]

Far greater risks lie elsewhere.

Not sure the citizens of Paris would agree with you.

[whufc]

Far greater risks lie elsewhere.

But to say no risk exists as you did imho seems very naive and thwart with danger.

Could this be case of everything else in life where 'the small minority ruin it for everyone'

It's not naive. It's been well-established by several institutions that the risk is so small it is insignificant.

Not sure 129 lives is insignificant especially on your home soil to innocent people.

Also think these studies would have been founded around other terrorist organistions, IS are another kettle of fish all together.

How long have IS been around for..............................this is only the beginning

Im not so sure we will be saying the risk is so small in five years times, x amounts of attacks later and x amount of lives lost.

[Q.]

Like I said in my very first post, most of the attacks were committed by French nationals. One of the attackers may have taken a route similar to the refugees. You're missing the bigger picture here.

There is a dynamic relationship between Islamic radicalism and xenophobic nationalist philosophy. Knee-jerk reactions like 'close the borders' won't actually make us safer once you begin to understand the anthropogenic drivers of radicalism in our countries.