Gun Laws in USA.

[kickinit]

Hows this for a stat? There are more gun shops in USA than McDonald's. And there are 50 gun shops in the area surrounding Sandy Hook school.
Nice!

If that number is true then there must be a gun shop every second shop. Sandy hook is about 1/5th of elizabeth.

[Sky Pilot]

Hows this for a stat? There are more gun shops in USA than McDonald's. And there are 50 gun shops in the area surrounding Sandy Hook school.
Nice!

If that number is true then there must be a gun shop every second shop. Sandy hook is about 1/5th of elizabeth.

I think the reporter said it was within a radius of 20 miles or something.

[Sky Pilot]

A little off topic, but such things as car accidents, smoking, alcohol etc all individually kill more people than guns do. Yet because they don't create the 'shock value' of gun related deaths they receive little attention.
We are all happy to accept alcohol, smoking as parts of our society when they kill thousands each yr- so why not guns??

I dont think you can compare people dying from the effects of smoking or alcoholism with gun related massacres..

Firstly the smokes and booze usually only effects the person thats chosen to drink or smoke in forms of cancer and liver disease, apart from cases of drink driving, assaults, etc.

Secondly, I think drinking and smoking receives a hell of a lot more publicity. We have TV, radio and print ads against the effects of smoking, as well as the new packaging laws. There are anti-alcohol ads on TV at the moment, as well as warning labels, and ID checks to buy it.

The only time gun laws are brought up is when a major tragedy like the one the other day, but they are quickly forgotten because the perpatrators dead. The Aurora Cinema massacre will come up again once he goes to trial, but once he's
sentenced, that'll be the end of that discussion.

Think about net deaths. Guns versus cars, alcohol, smokes etc. the latter trio would win hands down I suspect. Although I am only speculating - too lazy to google it all up.

[Wedgie]

I think it is video games, I quite often sit at the top of construction works throwing barrells at Italian plumbers.

[The Dark Knight]

I think it is video games, I quite often sit at the top of construction works throwing barrells at Italian plumbers.

Ha!

Was there something mentally wrong with Adam Lanza? I read he was mentally disturbed and his brother had a personality disorder.

[The Dark Knight]

Media trying to link video games too the tragedy, when of course it has nothing to do with the gun culture and lack of mental health care.

What a f**king joke.

I blame Lanza's mother. The adult you become is often the result of the way you are raised and what your parents expose you to at a young age. Introducing a mentally distured boy who has violent outbursts to guns is wrong on every level. WTF!

[HH3]

A little off topic, but such things as car accidents, smoking, alcohol etc all individually kill more people than guns do. Yet because they don't create the 'shock value' of gun related deaths they receive little attention.
We are all happy to accept alcohol, smoking as parts of our society when they kill thousands each yr- so why not guns??

I dont think you can compare people dying from the effects of smoking or alcoholism with gun related massacres..

Firstly the smokes and booze usually only effects the person thats chosen to drink or smoke in forms of cancer and liver disease, apart from cases of drink driving, assaults, etc.

Secondly, I think drinking and smoking receives a hell of a lot more publicity. We have TV, radio and print ads against the effects of smoking, as well as the new packaging laws. There are anti-alcohol ads on TV at the moment, as well as warning labels, and ID checks to buy it.

The only time gun laws are brought up is when a major tragedy like the one the other day, but they are quickly forgotten because the perpatrators dead. The Aurora Cinema massacre will come up again once he goes to trial, but once he's
sentenced, that'll be the end of that discussion.

Think about net deaths. Guns versus cars, alcohol, smokes etc. the latter trio would win hands down I suspect. Although I am only speculating - too lazy to google it all up.

I agree there a more deaths from those things compared to guns. What I said was a response to mypaddock, and just pointing out that there is education and diversion programs out for those things. The ad campaigns are unavoidable. Eg, the billboards, cigarette packs, Quit ads, the numerous drink driving ads, etc.

The only time you hear about gun control is when someone goes crazy and shoots a whole lot of people, then a week or two later, its back out of most peoples minds.

[redden whites]

Waiting for the standard NRA response of if everyone had a gun.....

I must admit I'm still not happy about having to sell my Winchester lever action 22 Magnum with the Nitrogen filled scope when I no longer had a farm to justify the licence, and hand in the hollow nose copper jacketed bullets that went with it.
(I wasn't mucking around with those foxes hunting the new born Angora kids at the time.)

That's a beginners unit

[Grahaml]

Seems fairly obvious to me that the only arguments people can conjure in favour of retaining the right to bear arms and own significant firearms without strict restrictions is all along the lines of "it's always been that way" "it's not proven that it'll fix it" or "there are worse things".

Firstly, the constitutional right was brought in during a time when the law was spread thing and wasn't a phone call away, people could live lives as criminals without fear of recognition and hunting was a major food source for a massive number of the citizens. These days, someone you don't like knocks on your door with 5 deadbolts, you call 911 on a mobile and the person you are worried about will be caught on surveillance tapes with their face and/or fingerprints recorded and checked against other crimes and McDonald's conveniently kills and wraps the animals up in a pretty package for you.

Secondly, there's far more evidence to suggest fewer guns is better. No doubt there are countries with a lot of guns but less gun violence. More true though is that countries with fewer guns have less trouble with violent rampages. If police are able to arrest and detain people carrying guns, it's that much harder to walk up to a school with one. If only a very few places can sell them, it's easier to make sure they're doing the right thing, selling to stable people and very expensive to get something illegal. Also there's a chance of being caught simply trying to buy such a thing.

Lastly, many things do kill more people. But many of these have also had billions spent on making them safer or trying to get people to stop using them. No money has ever been spent on making guns less lethal, but billions gets spent on trying to get people to survive a car crash. Guns don't come with health warnings but cigarettes do. Nobody ever spilt a beer on someone and killed them, not to mention a bar will stop serving someone who has had too many beers. Nobody ever didn't sell someone a gun in the US because they had too many, or that one was more powerful than they needed.

There is absolutely no sensible argument to retain the current laws in the US. Fingers crossed since Obama can't lose the next election he makes this his legacy. It will make him the most hated president in the history of the country for some time, but it will result in lives not being lost. It also needs to happen early in the term or the Republicans will sweep back into power and bring them back.

[MakeMyDay]

Wow!! The hole situation over there sucks! Takin that last post in. No ones had the balls to stand up as yet and time will tell if this time it cuts deep enough. Also today 3 other issues with firearms causing multiple injury's over there. Media here has mentioned percentages of deaths/violence related caused with firearms between here and the states recently. Can't remember the exact numbers but here was around 5%, States 60%

Scary thought considering we are what, 21 or 22 million they are 200million plus.

Amnesty here did help but I for one let my licence expire. Took 10 years before the boys in blue knocked on my door looking for it. "yes sir, Iam the owner of bla bla. Take it , not argueing considering being unlicenced. No more hunting till I get of my butt into gear to go through the process to re licence.

Point is, 10 yrs in SA, it will take them ??????????????????????? to make a dent in their problem but they got to start somewhere.

[kickinit]

Seems fairly obvious to me that the only arguments people can conjure in favour of retaining the right to bear arms and own significant firearms without strict restrictions is all along the lines of "it's always been that way" "it's not proven that it'll fix it" or "there are worse things".

Firstly, the constitutional right was brought in during a time when the law was spread thing and wasn't a phone call away, people could live lives as criminals without fear of recognition and hunting was a major food source for a massive number of the citizens. These days, someone you don't like knocks on your door with 5 deadbolts, you call 911 on a mobile and the person you are worried about will be caught on surveillance tapes with their face and/or fingerprints recorded and checked against other crimes and McDonald's conveniently kills and wraps the animals up in a pretty package for you.

Secondly, there's far more evidence to suggest fewer guns is better. No doubt there are countries with a lot of guns but less gun violence. More true though is that countries with fewer guns have less trouble with violent rampages. If police are able to arrest and detain people carrying guns, it's that much harder to walk up to a school with one. If only a very few places can sell them, it's easier to make sure they're doing the right thing, selling to stable people and very expensive to get something illegal. Also there's a chance of being caught simply trying to buy such a thing.

Lastly, many things do kill more people. But many of these have also had billions spent on making them safer or trying to get people to stop using them. No money has ever been spent on making guns less lethal, but billions gets spent on trying to get people to survive a car crash. Guns don't come with health warnings but cigarettes do. Nobody ever spilt a beer on someone and killed them, not to mention a bar will stop serving someone who has had too many beers. Nobody ever didn't sell someone a gun in the US because they had too many, or that one was more powerful than they needed.

There is absolutely no sensible argument to retain the current laws in the US. Fingers crossed since Obama can't lose the next election he makes this his legacy. It will make him the most hated president in the history of the country for some time, but it will result in lives not being lost. It also needs to happen early in the term or the Republicans will sweep back into power and bring them back.

Even if America went to the same laws as Australia whats to stop a person that legally has a firearm to do the same thing? Yes having less guns on the street might mean less murders but can anyone guarantee it? Because it has worked in other country's doesn't mean it will work in America. You do have to remember that the people that do these killings have to be seriously insane and shouldn't be out in public.

[CENTURION]

I think it is video games, I quite often sit at the top of construction works throwing barrells at Italian plumbers.

Ha!

Was there something mentally wrong with Adam Lanza? I read he was mentally disturbed and his brother had a personality disorder.

yes, there was! obviously! no sane person does what he did!

[The Dark Knight]

I think it is video games, I quite often sit at the top of construction works throwing barrells at Italian plumbers.

Ha!

Was there something mentally wrong with Adam Lanza? I read he was mentally disturbed and his brother had a personality disorder.

yes, there was! obviously! no sane person does what he did!

I mean what exactly was mentally wrong with him?

[valleys07]

TDK- Signs of Aspergers or Autism? and according to his brother, there were signs of a personality disorder also.

[HH3]

Theres an article that says he couldnt feel pain because of a rare medical condition, so people had to watch him to make sure he didnt damage himself. He also used to burn his wrists and ankles with a lighter on purpose.

Apparently he was a genius, but had absolutely no social skills.

[Sky Pilot]

Theres an article that says he couldnt feel pain because of a rare medical condition, so people had to watch him to make sure he didnt damage himself. He also used to burn his wrists and ankles with a lighter on purpose.

Apparently he was a genius, but had absolutely no social skills.

Was his name Craig Emerson?

[Footy Chick]

Theres an article that says he couldnt feel pain because of a rare medical condition, so people had to watch him to make sure he didnt damage himself. He also used to burn his wrists and ankles with a lighter on purpose.

Apparently he was a genius, but had absolutely no social skills.

Isn't that Aspergers?

[HH3]

Theres an article that says he couldnt feel pain because of a rare medical condition, so people had to watch him to make sure he didnt damage himself. He also used to burn his wrists and ankles with a lighter on purpose.

Apparently he was a genius, but had absolutely no social skills.

Isn't that Aspergers?

Pretty sure the social skills part is Aspergers, but the other things different.

[The Dark Knight]

TDK- Signs of Aspergers or Autism? and according to his brother, there were signs of a personality disorder also.

Thanks for that Valleys. He may have had both Aspergers and Autism? Is that possible?

Theres an article that says he couldnt feel pain because of a rare medical condition, so people had to watch him to make sure he didnt damage himself. He also used to burn his wrists and ankles with a lighter on purpose.
Apparently he was a genius, but had absolutely no social skills.

Isn't that Aspergers?

Pretty sure the social skills part is Aspergers, but the other things different.

Yes, the lack of social skills part would indicate he could of had Aspergers syndrome.

From what HH3 wrote, he sounds like he was one unqiue individual.

[Gozu]

In an article in today's paper it said he had Asperger's and that his mother was a survivalist nutter preparing for the apocalypse.

The singer from The Vines, Craig Nicholls also has Asperger's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome