If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is OK.

[Johno6]

this thread is ******* hilarious.

keep up the good work guys

[kickinit]

Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look

doesn't want to be seen hanging around with the wrong people. that his choice and it really doesn't bother me.

[southee]

1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.

2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.

3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.

4) You still have no idea.

1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?

2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case

3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.

4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.

Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?

I think 2 & 4 sum up really where you are coming from.

Couisin wont talk to you as you have mates with criminal records. I say good on him for doing that as it shows what sort of character you are.

With point 4 , you are stereotyping what a police officer does. If you think they sit on their butts having coffee and eating donuts you are quite deluded and watch to many Hollywood movies.

Maybe a good idea for you is to go and do some volunteer work at the front of a police station and see if you might get a better perspective of what a police officer does. I think you my be quite suprised.

One thing a person in the military or police do is to "Assess and Re-Assess" a situation. This was done.

Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look

Ummmm....he is a Police Officer. Slight difference there.

[whufc]

Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look

doesn't want to be seen hanging around with the wrong people. that his choice and it really doesn't bother me.

But to say if you do shows what kind of character you are, is a massive generalisation and is completely incorrect.

Southee Umm your quote was

'It shows what kind of character you are'

Bullshit it does!!!!

Maybe a conflict of interest etc etc but shows nothing about ones character

[kickinit]

Not a cop mate. Just know that what they did is exactly what they've been trained to do. Assess the situation and weigh up whether or not its worth psyching these guys up.

The guys probably wont worry about the charges too much because they're pretty minor. They'll probably just get fines. Which is another reason why there was no reason for the police to spark a physical confrontation.

You obviously cant be bothered trying to understand what police actually do. They go through extensive and ongoing training on how to handle situations to minimise risk to themselves, the public and the criminals. You're obviously one of those people that sit back and think police do nothing and get paid off your hard earned dime, when really you should probably be more worried about your mates who commit the crimes, which in turn creates a greater need for the police force to exist and expand and wasting your precious tax dollars.

Im done with this argument now. You wont accept the reality of what actually happened no matter what anyone else with a greater knowledge has to say.

Good chat

They didn't assess the situation they just stepped a side, do you know how much bikies get away with because police are too scared to do anything. i was at a wedding last year and there was a few boys on bikes doing burnouts in front of a cop shop, cops came out and walked back inside with out doing anything.

Like I said the boys shouldn't of done what they did, but at the end of the day they where allowed to do what they did by police officers. And yes there are some fat lazy cops out there that sit behind a desk all day and wouldn't be able to run 50mtrs. I dont have a problem with cops, as long as they do what there paid to do. And that's stop people from breaking the law.

[kickinit]

1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.

2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.

3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.

4) You still have no idea.

1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?

2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case

3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.



4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.

Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?

I think 2 & 4 sum up really where you are coming from.

Couisin wont talk to you as you have mates with criminal records. I say good on him for doing that as it shows what sort of character you are.

With point 4 , you are stereotyping what a police officer does. If you think they sit on their butts having coffee and eating donuts you are quite deluded and watch to many Hollywood movies.

Maybe a good idea for you is to go and do some volunteer work at the front of a police station and see if you might get a better perspective of what a police officer does. I think you my be quite suprised.

One thing a person in the military or police do is to "Assess and Re-Assess" a situation. This was done.

What sort of character does it show I am? I don't have a criminal record, my driving record is clean, I give money to charity each (even though thats for tax purpose) I dont use or sell drugs. I've worked since i was 15 and have never claimed work comp or the dole. What because I have mates that have links to a bikie group your stereotyping me being a criminal?

[southee]

Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look

doesn't want to be seen hanging around with the wrong people. that his choice and it really doesn't bother me.

But to say if you do shows what kind of character you are, is a massive generalisation and is completely incorrect.

Southee Umm your quote was

'It shows what kind of character you are'

Bullshit it does!!!!

Maybe a conflict of interest etc etc but shows nothing about ones character

So conflict of interest for a police officer is fine then ?

Anyway like HH3 I am done here .....

All the best boys

[Gozu]

There are people actually putting shit on the cops for not going on with it when those bikies walked past them into that house?

It's called harm minimisation

[westcoastpanther]

Pussy cops is what they were.

They don't mind being hero's like when me and about six mates were sitting outside the Strathmore having a few drinks at the tables after a one dayer and they got stuck into us and tried to move us on when I can honestly say we did absolutely nothing. Just a group of guys they identified had been at the cricket and they must have thought could cause trouble.

I was pissed off and as they walked away called them c*** heads. Was too quick for them too....

They love soft targets

[whufc]

There are people actually putting shit on the cops for not going on with it when those bikies walked past them into that house?

It's called harm minimisation

but do you wonder why these bikies think they can do what they want, its because they can even when there is police present.

[Gozu]

I hear what you're saying but they were outnumbered and with some dickhead bikies all pumped up and whatever the scene could've gotten pretty bad for the cops there. If they're trying to take your gun off you that's one thing but just going into the house to see if his mother was there (or whatever reason it was) in that situation I'd just put up with it at the time too.

[whufc]

I hear what you're saying but they were outnumbered and with some dickhead bikies all pumped up and whatever the scene could've gotten pretty bad for the cops there. If they're trying to take your gun off you that's one thing but just going into the house to see if his mother was there (or whatever reason it was) in that situation I'd just put up with it at the time too.

Yeah I think morale of the story is stuff being a copper!

In saying that I have had to kick a fair few noms out of the fitness/swimming centre I manage. Gets the heart pumping for sure!

[kickinit]

I hear what you're saying but they were outnumbered and with some dickhead bikies all pumped up and whatever the scene could've gotten pretty bad for the cops there. If they're trying to take your gun off you that's one thing but just going into the house to see if his mother was there (or whatever reason it was) in that situation I'd just put up with it at the time too.

4 cops and 5 bikies plus more cops inside the house. I know if I was a cop inside the house and saw 5 bikies coming in I wouldn't be too happy with my work mates. And the worst part about it they didn't even follow them inside 1- to make sure the crime sceen wasn't touched and 2- to make sure the work mates where ok.

[Punk Rooster]

The cops didn't even do anything to stop them they stepped a side and let them through. These guys are trained in handling these situations and should of at least tried to stop them. whats the point in wasting tax payers money if there just going to say there's too many of them so i'll just step a side. being out numbered is a cop out go ask our SAS boys how many times they have been out numbered in afgan and see how many of them back away.

maybe you can guard the next crime scene?

[locky801]

After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

[southee]

After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

Good post Locky!

[Pseudo]

After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

Good post Locky!

Would've been a better post if he'd used the word TASER somewhere.

[Psyber]

Part of the problem that leads to the issues discussed here is the severing of the police from continuing relationship with the community at large that has occurred over the years. In the 1960s I had friends whose fathers were cops, and old school friends who had become cops. I met them and other cops out on the street and could chat to them in passing. Similarly, the cops got to interact with people who were not confirmed criminals.

These days you rarely meet a cop unless you get pinged for something like speeding, and you now get that for fairly minor speed variations that are hard to totally control - even with cruise control on your speed varies with the slope on the road.

Similarly, the police don't get to talk to every day people on the street in an ordinary civil and friendly manner. They are also encouraged to give out fines for every minor infraction rather than friendly warnings. This creates an "us and them" mentality and ultimately shapes who, of what personality type, will become or stay a police officer these days, reinforcing the alienation from the community.

[kickinit]

After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.

However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.

Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them

Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.

That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.

so what your saying is we actually waste money on cops, we could basically have cctv everywhere and not have to waste tax payers money on cops?

so by sticking to the book they where allowed to enter a crime scene and not be followed by a cop. Take away the fact the cops stopped them or not you would think they would be right behind them to make sure they didn't arm them selfs or disturb the crime scene, also to protect the officers that where inside the house.

[Gozu]

These days you rarely meet a cop unless you get pinged for something like speeding, and you now get that for fairly minor speed variations that are hard to totally control - even with cruise control on your speed varies with the slope on the road.

Still miffed about not being able to do 250 clicks an hour in your Porsche, Psyber