by Johno6 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:32 am
by kickinit » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:39 am
whufc wrote:Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look
by southee » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:42 am
whufc wrote:southee wrote:kickinit wrote:HH3 wrote:1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.
2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.
3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.
4) You still have no idea.
1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?
2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case
3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.
4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.
Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?
I think 2 & 4 sum up really where you are coming from.
Couisin wont talk to you as you have mates with criminal records. I say good on him for doing that as it shows what sort of character you are.
With point 4 , you are stereotyping what a police officer does. If you think they sit on their butts having coffee and eating donuts you are quite deluded and watch to many Hollywood movies.
Maybe a good idea for you is to go and do some volunteer work at the front of a police station and see if you might get a better perspective of what a police officer does. I think you my be quite suprised.
One thing a person in the military or police do is to "Assess and Re-Assess" a situation. This was done.
Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look
by whufc » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:43 am
kickinit wrote:whufc wrote:Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look
doesn't want to be seen hanging around with the wrong people. that his choice and it really doesn't bother me.
by kickinit » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:45 am
HH3 wrote:Not a cop mate. Just know that what they did is exactly what they've been trained to do. Assess the situation and weigh up whether or not its worth psyching these guys up.
The guys probably wont worry about the charges too much because they're pretty minor. They'll probably just get fines. Which is another reason why there was no reason for the police to spark a physical confrontation.
You obviously cant be bothered trying to understand what police actually do. They go through extensive and ongoing training on how to handle situations to minimise risk to themselves, the public and the criminals. You're obviously one of those people that sit back and think police do nothing and get paid off your hard earned dime, when really you should probably be more worried about your mates who commit the crimes, which in turn creates a greater need for the police force to exist and expand and wasting your precious tax dollars.
Im done with this argument now. You wont accept the reality of what actually happened no matter what anyone else with a greater knowledge has to say.
Good chat
by kickinit » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:50 am
southee wrote:kickinit wrote:HH3 wrote:1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.
2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.
3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.
4) You still have no idea.
1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?
2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case
3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.
4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.
Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?
I think 2 & 4 sum up really where you are coming from.
Couisin wont talk to you as you have mates with criminal records. I say good on him for doing that as it shows what sort of character you are.
With point 4 , you are stereotyping what a police officer does. If you think they sit on their butts having coffee and eating donuts you are quite deluded and watch to many Hollywood movies.
Maybe a good idea for you is to go and do some volunteer work at the front of a police station and see if you might get a better perspective of what a police officer does. I think you my be quite suprised.
One thing a person in the military or police do is to "Assess and Re-Assess" a situation. This was done.
by southee » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:00 am
whufc wrote:kickinit wrote:whufc wrote:Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look
doesn't want to be seen hanging around with the wrong people. that his choice and it really doesn't bother me.
But to say if you do shows what kind of character you are, is a massive generalisation and is completely incorrect.
Southee Umm your quote was
'It shows what kind of character you are'
Bullshit it does!!!!
Maybe a conflict of interest etc etc but shows nothing about ones character
by Gozu » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:30 pm
by westcoastpanther » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:59 pm
by whufc » Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:10 pm
Gozu wrote:There are people actually putting shit on the cops for not going on with it when those bikies walked past them into that house?
It's called harm minimisation
by Gozu » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:29 pm
by whufc » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:38 pm
Gozu wrote:I hear what you're saying but they were outnumbered and with some dickhead bikies all pumped up and whatever the scene could've gotten pretty bad for the cops there. If they're trying to take your gun off you that's one thing but just going into the house to see if his mother was there (or whatever reason it was) in that situation I'd just put up with it at the time too.
by kickinit » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:58 pm
Gozu wrote:I hear what you're saying but they were outnumbered and with some dickhead bikies all pumped up and whatever the scene could've gotten pretty bad for the cops there. If they're trying to take your gun off you that's one thing but just going into the house to see if his mother was there (or whatever reason it was) in that situation I'd just put up with it at the time too.
by Punk Rooster » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:42 pm
kickinit wrote:The cops didn't even do anything to stop them they stepped a side and let them through. These guys are trained in handling these situations and should of at least tried to stop them. whats the point in wasting tax payers money if there just going to say there's too many of them so i'll just step a side. being out numbered is a cop out go ask our SAS boys how many times they have been out numbered in afgan and see how many of them back away.
Ralph Wiggum wrote:That's where I saw the leprechaun. He told me to burn things
by locky801 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:50 am
by southee » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:32 am
locky801 wrote:After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.
However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.
Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them![]()
Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.
That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.
by Pseudo » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:44 am
southee wrote:locky801 wrote:After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.
However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.
Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them![]()
Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.
That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.
Good post Locky!
by Psyber » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:38 pm
by kickinit » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:27 pm
locky801 wrote:After being a cop for 34 years I find this thread very entertaining. Good points raised by all.
However: No-one on here knows what Instructions the Officers at the scene had been given.
Someone made the point that 5 unarmed bikies rolled up, how do you know they were unarmed. Were you one of them![]()
Unless you know the tactical options model and the operational safety philosphy and principles which SAPOL members are governed by, you dont have much idea hoiw SAPOL works and how they are trained.
That model quite clearly outlines why those officers involved in the incident did what they did, they were sticking to the book.
by Gozu » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:11 am
Psyber wrote:These days you rarely meet a cop unless you get pinged for something like speeding, and you now get that for fairly minor speed variations that are hard to totally control - even with cruise control on your speed varies with the slope on the road.
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