Drug testing to get the Dole

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Yes They should be tested
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No It is against people's rights
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Wedgie » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:43 pm

OnSong wrote:
Wedgie wrote:I thought I was clear in saying the system in remote communities was completely different to the one in the Playford area hence my point of different rules for different folks. It was others who said the system was running here too which is pretty irrelevent considering the terms of each of the systems. :?

I realise that. I don't understand why you think that's an issue.

Geez I thought I made that clear too.
My issue is the different rules depending on if you come from a predominately white area or a completely indigeneous area.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby OnSong » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:51 pm

Wedgie wrote:
OnSong wrote:
Wedgie wrote:I thought I was clear in saying the system in remote communities was completely different to the one in the Playford area hence my point of different rules for different folks. It was others who said the system was running here too which is pretty irrelevent considering the terms of each of the systems. :?

I realise that. I don't understand why you think that's an issue.

Geez I thought I made that clear too.
My issue is the different rules depending on if you come from a predominately white area or a completely indigeneous area.

So, you're saying it's unfair that there is a program, in the NT, specifically designed to target indigenous communities and their spending of the dole?
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Gozu » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:02 pm

What it's like for people in the Aboriginal communities in the NT on 'income management' (welfare quarantining):

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/20/bus ... her=mobile
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby OnSong » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:19 pm

Gozu wrote:What it's like for people in the Aboriginal communities in the NT on 'income management' (welfare quarantining):

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/20/bus ... her=mobile

It's a great article Gozu.
Mind you, it does isolate three favourable examples and doesn't actually attempt to validate any aspect of the IM system.
I guess this could be a different thread though, probably more plausible than drug testing anyway.
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Re: Drug testing to get the Dole

Postby Psyber » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:35 pm

HH3 wrote:... The spending on food and neccessities could be worked out in partnership with a local supermarket chain eg Foodland. Give people a card with a certain amount of money on it each fortnight that can only be used at that business. Foodland dont have a liquar chain I am aware of, unlike Coles with Liquarland, so there cant be much danger of buying alcohol with the cards...
There are drawbacks to tying such cards to one retail chain.
In the "Great Depression" of the 1930s a relatively few providers sold food for the coupons issued to the poor and unemployed by the government, and the government paid the retailers for the coupons.

Presumably the government wanted value for money, and put pressure on the vendors to be cheap, but as those vendors had the monopoly they could respond (or just exploit the situation) by passing off poor quality and stale food to those tied to them by the coupons. That's what gave the original "Dole" a bad name, and the Unions and charities fought to replace the coupons with money that the poor could spend at other outlets instead.

So, I'd say a card usable at any, or at least several supermarket chains, would make more sense.
How to make sure that it can only be used for food rather than booze or gambling is then the issue.
(After all Woolworths are big in booze and gambling interests.)
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