London Riots

[JAS]

So what happens to the whole population of the UK when it finally ends? Their nation is already growing steeply in debt, what happens when all the insurance premiums rise dramatically and the cost of goods in the stores goes up yet again for everyone?

oooh get you...drama queen the sky isn't falling here...this isn't one of the P.I.G.S. you know (that's Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain for those that haven't been following some REAL economic meltdowns)

Regards
JAS

[CENTURION]

So what happens to the whole population of the UK when it finally ends? Their nation is already growing steeply in debt, what happens when all the insurance premiums rise dramatically and the cost of goods in the stores goes up yet again for everyone?

They'll all move here, never get citizenship and Centrals will have even more bloody supporters

And the thug element will join the Sturt cheersquad

[JAS]

Looks like water cannons now authorized...still seems to be stopping short of using the word 'riot' though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14474393

David Cameron said every action would be taken to restore order, with contingency plans for water cannon to be available at 24 hours' notice...

...and maybe a ray of hope for anyone silly enough not to be insurred...

1236:Graeme Trudgill, from the British Insurance Brokers' Association (BIBA)
tells BBC 5 live that anyone who has property that has been damaged and does not have insurance might be covered under the 1886 Riot (Damages) Act.

Regards
JAS

[CENTURION]

why not just use normal cannons.

[dedja]

save them for the poms in 'lisbeff

[JAS]

Just watched Cameron giving his press statement after the COBRA meeting. He's very careful to call what's happened 'violent disorder' and those doing it 'criminals' rather than riots and rioters. Assume there would probably be legal and/or financial reasons for that.

He did say that the police are also now authorized to use 'baton rounds'

Regards
JAS

[GWW]

I'm just curious about something - the riots were apparently triggered by an incident where a suspect was shot dead by police. This may be a silly question, but - how long have English Police had firearms? Traditionally I believe they have not had this in their weaponry. Is this something recent?

[JAS]

I'm just curious about something - the riots were apparently triggered by an incident where a suspect was shot dead by police. This may be a silly question, but - how long have English Police had firearms? Traditionally I believe they have not had this in their weaponry. Is this something recent?

The rioters were more like opportunist banwagoners and didn't have anything to do with the peaceful protest by Duggans family and friends etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_unit

Duggan was shot by a specialist firearms officer...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516

Investigations by the IPCC show two shots were fired by a Scotland Yard CO19 firearms officer.

Regards
JAS

[JAS]

"Who are the rioters? Young men from poor areas ... but that's not the full story":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 ... intcmp=239

Good article.

On the news they've just shown one of those arrested going into court, hiding his face behind a newspaper and said he's a teaching assistant.

Also good to see that those who think hiding behind the safety of their keyboard allows them to say what they like are very much mistaken...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14474393

Two 18-year-olds in Folkestone, Kent, and a 19-year-old woman in Wakefield have been arrested. A 16-year-old boy in Glasgow was charged with breach of the peace while another man, aged 18, has been arrested. All relate to allegations of inciting violence through internet social networking sites

Regards
JAS

[mighty_tiger_79]

JAS - cameron says those involved in the riots are criminals, been reported a lot are just kids as young as 9, what can and will the govt do to them??

[JAS]

JAS - cameron says those involved in the riots are criminals, been reported a lot are just kids as young as 9, what can and will the govt do to them??

As far as I know there's almost nothing they can do. They've just been speaking to one of the senior cops (Sir Hugh Orde I think) on the BBC News channel and he said that courts are sitting 24 hours a day at the moment to process as many as possible but the age of criminal responsability in England and Wales is 10 (12 in Scotland) so according to him they will be caught in the act along with everyone else but it's 'up to the parents' to deal with them.

I'm hoping that's just from the police aspect and that at the very least social services would have to be involved.

Regards
JAS

[mighty_tiger_79]

thanks for that, interesting. if social services get involved the number of kids involved would put a massive strain on that system id think.

[JAS]

thanks for that, interesting. if social services get involved the number of kids involved would put a massive strain on that system id think.

I'd think they would try and keep most in a home environment and give them and the parents some sort of family counselling otherwise yeh it would be a strain cos I'm sure the childrens carehome system would be just as full as prisons.

Regards
JAS

[JAS]

Although aurthority to use water cannon and baton rounds has been given it appears unlikely they will be used...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14474393

But president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, Sir Hugh Orde, ruled out using water cannon or baton rounds for now, saying the tactics were not suited to the current unrest.

"Water cannon are used to deal with fixed crowds to buy distance," he said.

"The evidence from your camera people is showing very clearly these are fast-moving crowds, where water cannon would not be appropriate."

He added that baton rounds would only be deployed when his officers' lives were under serious threat.

Looks like people/police getting ready for more possible trouble. Scrolling headlines from the BBC News channel...Bullring shopping centre in Birmingham shutting at 4pm. Courts in London planning to sit through tonight as well. Nobody processed through Highbury courts today was granted bail. Most people being charged with 'disorder' or 'burglary'.

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JAS

[JAS]

Quite interesting article on what turns people into looters...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14463452

Regards
JAS

[mighty_tiger_79]

forget water bombs get the real bastards out!!

How is solihull? Is this an area bein affected at all?

[JAS]

forget water bombs get the real bastards out!!

How is solihull? Is this an area bein affected at all?

I don't think I've heard any mention of Solihull on the BBC or Sky news channels which is my main tv source but I just did a quick search for you and found this...

http://www.solihullobserver.co.uk/index.html

I assume you have connections so the local paper might be a good way to keep an eye on things. I can let you know if I do hear anything elsewhere if you like.

Regards
JAS

[JAS]

JAS - cameron says those involved in the riots are criminals, been reported a lot are just kids as young as 9, what can and will the govt do to them??

As far as I know there's almost nothing they can do. They've just been speaking to one of the senior cops (Sir Hugh Orde I think) on the BBC News channel and he said that courts are sitting 24 hours a day at the moment to process as many as possible but the age of criminal responsability in England and Wales is 10 (12 in Scotland) so according to him they will be caught in the act along with everyone else but it's 'up to the parents' to deal with them.

I'm hoping that's just from the police aspect and that at the very least social services would have to be involved.

Regards
JAS

Apologies...just heard him again and I misheard the first time.

He's asked about 9, 10, 11 yo's being involved. He points out that 10 is the age of criminal responsibilty and that if 8, 9, 10yo's are caught they will be put into the criminal justice system and dealt with.

I suspect that would still mean being passed on to social services but subsequent action would probably depend on the crime they've commited.

Regards
JAS

[JAS]

Sky News website's live feed thingy makes for some interesting reading. They have people at the courts posting a few details such...

Trainee dental nurse Laura Cook, 19, broke down in court after hearing she will be remanded in custody after pleading not guilty to burg ...
Her lawyer said Ms Cook will miss an exam next Monday which could further her career.

...and...

More from Lia Hervey reporting from Croydon Magistrates Court: "The next person up is 14 yrs old. We can't name her. She is in care and her foster parent is in court.
"The juvenile pleaded guilty to stealing cameras from Argos. She has no previous convictions.
"Her lawyer said to judge. 'I'm sure you will tire of this by the end of today but this lady got caught up in what went wrong'."

...and the latest post...

Home Secretary Theresa May has ordered force chiefs to cancel "all police leave" to deal with the rioting crisis.

http://live-news.sky.com/Event/London_riots

The BBC live feed also now posting details of court appearances...

1602:An 11-year-old was among those appearing before magistrates today in Romford, Essex. The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, appeared at Highbury Corner Youth Court where he admitted being part of a gang of youths who looted the town's Debenhams store on Monday night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675
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JAS

[The Apostle]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... t-yob.html