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Postby Hondo » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:32 am

redden whites wrote:I love hearing hills folk demanding we look after our homeless first.Can you imagine the carry on if the government moved 400 homeless in to this very spot in one hit..... :lol: :lol: :lol:


Exactly ... imagine the uproar if Inverbrackie was opened up for immediate public housing!

Not only an uproar from the community but from some of the residents who would then complain about the standard of the housing :o

Every other day of the week we are largely apathetic to the homeless and would prefer we never see them. But now we have asylum seekers in our community we suddenly care greatly about them.

Those that care so much for the homeless (and that's great that they do) should start volunteering for the Salvos or something similar. That's if they care as much as they now claim they do.

Yes, this is a very cynical post!
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Gingernuts » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:41 am

Hondo wrote:
redden whites wrote:I love hearing hills folk demanding we look after our homeless first.Can you imagine the carry on if the government moved 400 homeless in to this very spot in one hit..... :lol: :lol: :lol:


Exactly ... imagine the uproar if Inverbrackie was opened up for immediate public housing!

Not only an uproar from the community but from some of the residents who would then complain about the standard of the housing :o

Every other day of the week we are largely apathetic to the homeless and would prefer we never see them. But now we have asylum seekers in our community we suddenly care greatly about them.

Those that care so much for the homeless (and that's great that they do) should start volunteering for the Salvos or something similar. That's if they care as much as they now claim they do.

Yes, this is a very cynical post!


It's not cynical Hondo - it's the truth mate. Well said. =D>
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby saintal » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:46 am

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Sojourner wrote:What is interesting is the total lack of any type of community consultation.

I am usually all for community consultation but in this case it would have just become a forum for racism, intolerance, prejudice, hatred and fear - you only have to look at the comments section in The Advertiser to see this.


Find a community that wants or needs them for the economic gain (as sojourner suggested at the start of the thread).

Those who are accusing people against the move as being heartless are looking at it too simplistically.

Like many of the other locals, it's the p*ss weak, lying government (rather than the refugees personally) that worry me. I can see this being the beginning of something of a much larger scale and it will have detrimental effects on the region. How long before 400 people grows to 400 families? The negatives far outweigh the positives in my opinion.

Will be an interesting town meeting tonight. Too many unanswered questions at this stage, which results in people like me acting as alarmists. Hopefully some fears will be put to rest but I'm expecting a lot of spin.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:51 am

That town meeting will be interesting indeed. Will there be more 'lerts or 'larmed's there? ;)

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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby bulldogproud2 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:17 pm

Just wanted to comment on some of the posts above:
Firstly, asylum seekers are totally legal. To call them illegal is wrong.

Secondly, the fact a person arrives without papers does not mean that they have done anything wrong or have anything to hide. As the UNHCR states, 'It is not always safe or practicable for asylum seekers to obtain travel documents or travel through authorised channels. Refugees are, by definition, persons fleeing persecution and in most cases are being persecuted by their own government. It is often too dangerous for refugees to apply for a passport or exit visa or approach an Australian Embassy for a visa, as such actions could put their lives, and the lives of their families, at risk. Refugees may also be forced to flee with little notice due to rapidly deteriorating situations and do not have time to apply for travel documents or arrange travel through authorised channels.' I would be more concerned about asylum seekers with papers than those without as it would mean that they have time to plan things out, arrange travel documents etc. Surely this would be an indicator that they may not be under as much persecution as someone who has to rush from their home.

Thirdly, whilst it is true that asylum seekers coming by boat (known as the onshore component of refugees) take the place of those applying from refugee camps (known as offshore refugees) this is only because of Australian government policy. Almost all other countries have a separate pool for onshore and offshore. Thus, the numbers coming via the onshore component do not reduce the offshore component numbers at all.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby bulldogproud2 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:26 pm

Also, Australia takes a very small number of the world's refugees and asylum seekers in. There are in excess of 23 million refugees (plus another 20 million internally displaced - which means still in their home country but having had to flee their home area) and asylum seekers in the world. We take in less than 10 000 per year of these. Compare this to Pakistan which takes in over 1.7 million and Syria, Iran, Jordan, Germany and Venezuala (which all host over 500 000).

For those who state that asylum seekers are likely to include terrorists, it would be much, much easier for a terrorist to fly into Australia than risk their lives on a long journey coming by boat. No person convicted of terrorist actions has EVER travelled by boat to another country.

Australia certainly is not 'soft' when it comes to our policy on asylum seekers and refugees. We are one of very few countries in the world who mandatorily detains asylum seekers. We even draw condemnation from the UNHCR and Amnesty International for our poor and inhumane treatment of asylum seekers.

These people have, in almost all cases, suffered brutal conditions in their homeland. They quite likely have been persecuted and had threats to their lives. If you wish to condemn them, try walking a mile in their shoes first.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Squawk » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:06 pm

bulldogproud2 wrote:Also, Australia takes a very small number of the world's refugees and asylum seekers in.


How about Japan? http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070313i1.html

bulldogproud2 wrote:For those who state that asylum seekers are likely to include terrorists, it would be much, much easier for a terrorist to fly into Australia than risk their lives on a long journey coming by boat.

No person convicted of terrorist actions has EVER travelled by boat to another country.


1. Source?
(Or is this only an opinion?).

2. Source or opinion? For example, you might like to read about the Oueva.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Psyber » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:23 pm

That Japanese article Squawk posted includes this:
Article 1 of the conventions defines a refugee as someone who has a "well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion."
So, if it is not "well-founded" or is actually untrue they are not refugees.
I assume that is what processing is about determining.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby bulldogproud2 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:26 pm

Psyber wrote:That Japanese article Squawk posted includes this:
Article 1 of the conventions defines a refugee as someone who has a "well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion."
So, if it is not "well-founded" or is actually untrue they are not refugees.
I assume that is what processing is about determining.


Correct. However, processing should not take up to seven years as it did in some cases in Baxter. Those whom are found not to have a well-founded fear of being persecuted are sent back to their country of origin. However, to date, this has been less than 2.5% of all asylum seekers who have travelled to Australia by boat. Also, all people have a legal right to seek status as an asylum seeker. It is only when this is rejected that they become 'illegal'.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby bulldogproud2 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:30 pm

Squawk wrote:
bulldogproud2 wrote:Also, Australia takes a very small number of the world's refugees and asylum seekers in.



1. Source?
(Or is this only an opinion?).



A media release of the UNHCR of 15 June 2010 states that there were 43.3 million displaced people in the world at the end of 2009. This included 15.2 million refugees, 27.1 million internally displaced people, 6.6 million stateless people and 983 000 asylum seekers.
http://www.unhcr.org.au/pdfs/100615_wrd ... ul_000.pdf

During the five years to 2009, Australia hosted only 22 548 refugees, placing us 47th in the world. We received just 0.6% of the world's asylum seekers in 2009.
http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/ ... onally.pdf
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby bulldogproud2 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:36 pm

Squawk wrote:
bulldogproud2 wrote:For those who state that asylum seekers are likely to include terrorists, it would be much, much easier for a terrorist to fly into Australia than risk their lives on a long journey coming by boat.

No person convicted of terrorist actions has EVER travelled by boat to another country.


2. Source or opinion? For example, you might like to read about the Oueva.


I may have made a slight error in saying that no terrorist has ever travelled by boat. However, I will quote Dr. Michael McKinley, a senior lecturer in international relations at the ANU in Canberra.
'The chance of terrorists arriving by boat was infinitesimally small'.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-sla ... -hamt.html

I will also quote Malcolm Turnbull from the same article:
Mr Turnbull later rejected any suggestion that asylum seekers were likely to be terrorists.

"I reject any person, any statement, which suggests that asylum seekers are, or are likely to be, terrorists, full stop," he said during debate on an Opposition move to censure the Prime Minister over border protection.


"I make no criticism of asylum seekers."
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby bulldogproud2 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:43 pm

If we are to stop asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia because there is an 'infinitesimally small risk' that there may be a terrorist amongst them, then surely we need by the same logic to stop ALL people travelling from one country to another by plane. After all, all of those who were involved in 9/11 flew into the US on a valid visa. As Dr. McKinley also states in the article I quoted above:

'"If you look at what happened in the US (ahead of September 11) they came in on US visas," he told AAP.

I will also quote from the Edmund Rice Centre:
http://www.erc.org.au/index.php?module= ... ment_id=64
Myth 10: The people in the boats are terrorists

Fact: This is incorrect. Just 11 of more than 13,000 people who sought asylum in Australia last year were rejected on 'character grounds'. Only one was regarded as a security risk because of suspected terrorist links. He had come by air, not by boat. Government intelligence briefings concerning the threat of terrorist attacks have not mentioned asylum seekers. There remains no evidence that any asylum seekers currently arriving by boat have any connection to terrorism.

Those who perpetrated the September 11 attacks did not arrive in the United States as Asylum Seekers. They flew first class using valid papers. The people in the boats are fleeing from the terrorism of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Linking the atrocities in the United States with the boat people is akin to blaming the Jews for fleeing Hitler. People fleeing oppression have a right to claim asylum and have those claims assessed.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Leaping Lindner » Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:35 am

Heard excerpts from last night's meeting on ABC radio this morning. Did themselves proud the Hills folk. :roll:
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Gingernuts » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:23 am

Leaping Lindner wrote:Heard excerpts from last night's meeting on ABC radio this morning. Did themselves proud the Hills folk. :roll:


Yep - sounded just like Booney's pic above. :lol:

No razor wire??? WHAT????? :roll:
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby saintal » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:30 am

Leaping Lindner wrote:Heard excerpts from last night's meeting on ABC radio this morning. Did themselves proud the Hills folk. :roll:


Agree that there were a few there that painted us all as ignorant, heartless bigots. This is not the case though. I cringed at sentiments such as “The CFS should let them burn if there is a fire”.

I’d like to say that I learnt a lot from last night’s meeting, but that would be lying. The figure of 500 people in the paper was about right, with the hall fitting 250 and 300 or so mingling outside.

The representative from Immigration really didn’t tell us anything more than what had already been printed in the press. He mentioned that 24 hour medical assistance would be on hand, which when you consider the current plight of Keith and Moonta Hospitals, and the very average state of health services in general, wasn’t well received.

Apart from that, there were very few concrete answers. Still no certainty on the security arrangements and there hasn’t really been any communication between the Federal Govt and the key players in this at this stage. Schooling is a huge issue, with a suggestion made by a local to utilise a nearby school that is closing at the end of this year (Milbrook School..near Cudlee Creek).

Earlier in the week I read that “The adults will be free to mix with local residents but forced to adhere to strict curfews and report regularly to officials about their movements”. Then last night it was suggested that only the children will be permitted to leave the centre for schooling. I was lead to believe the reason for housing these people within a community was to make their transition/assimilation smoother, rather than sticking them out in the desert somewhere in isolation.

It was good to see a number of residents from neighbouring towns attend and share their thoughts on the arrangement. Like one of them mentioned, this is a decision that impacts all Australians in regards to the Govt handling of illegal immigrants. With the 107th boat for 2010 coming to our shores yesterday, where is this going to end? There is a genuine fear of the Army barracks being taken over in the coming years, and a much larger centre being developed on the site.

The local real estate agent was fairly blunt in his assessment on the impact the centre could have on housing prices, and obviously all residents are concerned by this.

One particular local spoke about his experiences in working in the kitchen at the Woomera Centre, and the amount of money splashed against the wall in every regard. He made some very valid points to the Immigration rep, suggesting that after six months a report that details what the true benefits (financially and socially) to the region have been, because quite frankly, the rep was very unconvincing in his sales pitch. I really struggle to see how local business will benefit, as the mob running the centre (Cerco) will surely utilise much cheaper alternatives when it comes to food etc.

The always popular Mark Goldsworthy, Liberal Member for Kavel, spoke passionately about the mishandling of the situation, while Jamie Briggs, Liberal Member for Mayo will attempt to fight the decision next week in parliament. Hills Mayor Bill Cooksley will need to pick the splinters out his backside, and probably hasn’t won too many friends this week.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Dutchy » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:40 pm

Head that Julia was in the hills last weekend, yet didnt make the announcement or even a trip to Woodside.

Where are all her fans now?
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Ronnie » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:31 pm

Leaping Lindner wrote:Heard excerpts from last night's meeting on ABC radio this morning. Did themselves proud the Hills folk. :roll:


Gett off your high moral horse and understand that the reality is this decision has been dumped on these people with no consultation or decency whatsoever. It impacts on their families and way of life in a very immediate way.
Sure, a few loud mouths get carried away and don't reflect well on the community, but very legitimate and reasonable concerns shouldn't be overlooked.
And as Dutchy says, Julia was in the area a few days ago but, guess what, not a mention of it.
I think i would be wanting a few answers if i lived up there.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby saintal » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:11 pm

Ronnie wrote:
Leaping Lindner wrote:Heard excerpts from last night's meeting on ABC radio this morning. Did themselves proud the Hills folk. :roll:


Gett off your high moral horse and understand that the reality is this decision has been dumped on these people with no consultation or decency whatsoever. It impacts on their families and way of life in a very immediate way.
Sure, a few loud mouths get carried away and don't reflect well on the community, but very legitimate and reasonable concerns shouldn't be overlooked.
And as Dutchy says, Julia was in the area a few days ago but, guess what, not a mention of it.
I think i would be wanting a few answers if i lived up there.


Great post Ronnie. Unless you live in the town and are directly impacted its hard to really grasp the (potential) significance of the decision. Naturally the media will latch on to the loudest, most controversial in attendence.

Last night was disappointing in the sense that basically no new information was provided. I understand that a lot can be achieved in the 6-8 weeks before the first arrivals, but this reeks of a desperate move with very little prior thought gone into it. Too many on xmas island, boat loads arriving weekly, some federal land and empty houses tucked away in SA, so lets dump them there.

That is true, Julia was in leafy Aldgate for a "photo opportunity" on Sunday apparently.
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Re: Asylum seekers may be housed at Inverbrackie (Woodside)

Postby Leaping Lindner » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:20 pm

The Adelaide Hills' most popular tourist town was founded by religious refugees. ;)
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