by CENTURION » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:53 am
by CENTURION » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:04 am
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:50 pm
therisingblues wrote:Thank you Roxy, it sounds as though you have some knowledge of factors pertaining to this issue.
I like the "technically feasible" statement, but I just want to clear something up, couldn't we just pump the water into the river systems up north, and then allow those rivers to carry the water down south? Granted it'd be very expensive still, but if we balance that expense against the economic benefits, which you point out extends beyond dry land and includes fisheries and as such also tourism, would it be feasible? The NSW, Vic, SA and federal governments would cover most of the cost, and it'd provide employment directly related to the project and the various industries that'd benefit from it (including real estate I imagine Centution).
by Bully » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:17 am
by CENTURION » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:53 am
Roxy the Rat Girl wrote:therisingblues wrote:Thank you Roxy, it sounds as though you have some knowledge of factors pertaining to this issue.
I like the "technically feasible" statement, but I just want to clear something up, couldn't we just pump the water into the river systems up north, and then allow those rivers to carry the water down south? Granted it'd be very expensive still, but if we balance that expense against the economic benefits, which you point out extends beyond dry land and includes fisheries and as such also tourism, would it be feasible? The NSW, Vic, SA and federal governments would cover most of the cost, and it'd provide employment directly related to the project and the various industries that'd benefit from it (including real estate I imagine Centution).
You could certainly pump from the northern Rivers and release into the Darling system to reduce pumping costs but there are some big issues. As far as water volume goes there are large transmission losses that occur along the Darling System. What i mean by this is evaporative and seepage loss of water. This can often see only 10% of the water that originates in Qld reaching SA (except for during major flooding). This would see effectively a 10% return (or water available for economic use) on the total volume of water released. Also water entering the Darling System can take up to 3 months to get to South Australia so you would need to plan well in advance of when you needed the water. From an environmental point of view the timing of the water delivery would most probably be out of sync with natural cycles. Queensland tends to have its larger rainfall events over our summer. With a 3 month flow time from Qld to SA the water would hit SA in lets say Autumn. Naturally Autumn is a dryer time for the river and so putting water down it at this time may alter or interrupt ecological processes. Of course you could overcome this by storing the water in Queensland and releasing in Winter so it arrives in Southern Australia in Spring but you are still only going to receive10% of what is released (assuming no evaporative loss whist it was stored) and so it is very inefficient.
In any case, Queenslanders hate seeing every drop of water flow over the NSW border to South Eastern Australia as it is, so there is very little chance they will part with any more, especially from river systems which are not naturally linked to Southern Australia. Ah the politics of water
by CENTURION » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:54 am
Bully wrote:i can both sides of ths story thou here. Being a south aussie and now living in SE QLD. Why should we let our water be pumped to another state. Too bad a lot will or do say yes, but im sure it would be the same if it was the other way around.
Water falling in QLD in actuall fact is ours and ours alone, but when yes there is too much, then maybe we can sell it off to another state. But we have been through the toughest water restrictions that almost all of australia had seen in history, so everyone is the same.
Is SA in an arguement with say NSW for pumping water to SA when theres too much falling in NSW? Hmmm, not sure i have heard so,......
by dedja » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:03 am
by Bully » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:29 am
CENTURION wrote:Bully wrote:i can both sides of ths story thou here. Being a south aussie and now living in SE QLD. Why should we let our water be pumped to another state. Too bad a lot will or do say yes, but im sure it would be the same if it was the other way around.
Water falling in QLD in actuall fact is ours and ours alone, but when yes there is too much, then maybe we can sell it off to another state. But we have been through the toughest water restrictions that almost all of australia had seen in history, so everyone is the same.
Is SA in an arguement with say NSW for pumping water to SA when theres too much falling in NSW? Hmmm, not sure i have heard so,......
once again, who said it's yours?
by scoob » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:46 am
Bully wrote:i can both sides of ths story thou here. Being a south aussie and now living in SE QLD. Why should we let our water be pumped to another state. Too bad a lot will or do say yes, but im sure it would be the same if it was the other way around.
Water falling in QLD in actuall fact is ours and ours alone, but when yes there is too much, then maybe we can sell it off to another state. But we have been through the toughest water restrictions that almost all of australia had seen in history, so everyone is the same.
Is SA in an arguement with say NSW for pumping water to SA when theres too much falling in NSW? Hmmm, not sure i have heard so,......
by The Sleeping Giant » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:04 am
CENTURION wrote:Bully wrote:i can both sides of ths story thou here. Being a south aussie and now living in SE QLD. Why should we let our water be pumped to another state. Too bad a lot will or do say yes, but im sure it would be the same if it was the other way around.
Water falling in QLD in actuall fact is ours and ours alone, but when yes there is too much, then maybe we can sell it off to another state. But we have been through the toughest water restrictions that almost all of australia had seen in history, so everyone is the same.
Is SA in an arguement with say NSW for pumping water to SA when theres too much falling in NSW? Hmmm, not sure i have heard so,......
once again, who said it's yours?
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:17 pm
by Bully » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:08 pm
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:13 pm
Bully wrote:I agree , it would . But I am told " who says the water that falls in Queensland is ours "? . I am saying we don't but who said that the south Australian government at its people decide who gets what in the country?
I'm told we are arrogant for saying it ours ( to me if something is in your back hard it's yours , whether its water, a tree, a piee of fruit but that's my view ) , but there is also arrogance in regards to some SA residences saying the water that falls in qld or in northern Tasmania or smith st in Sydney is rightfully or is also south australias
by therisingblues » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:19 pm
by Ian » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:18 pm
Bully wrote:i can both sides of ths story thou here. Being a south aussie and now living in SE QLD. Why should we let our water be pumped to another state. Too bad a lot will or do say yes, but im sure it would be the same if it was the other way around.
Water falling in QLD in actuall fact is ours and ours alone, but when yes there is too much, then maybe we can sell it off to another state. But we have been through the toughest water restrictions that almost all of australia had seen in history, so everyone is the same.
Is SA in an arguement with say NSW for pumping water to SA when theres too much falling in NSW? Hmmm, not sure i have heard so,......
by Ian » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:24 pm
Bully wrote:I agree , it would . But I am told " who says the water that falls in Queensland is ours "? . I am saying we don't but who said that the south Australian government at its people decide who gets what in the country?
Bully wrote:I'm told we are arrogant for saying it ours ( to me if something is in your back hard it's yours , whether its water, a tree, a piee of fruit but that's my view )
by The Sleeping Giant » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:57 pm
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:55 pm
The Sleeping Giant wrote:Would be interesting to see how much water the various states take out of the river. South Australia hasn't exactly done a great job protecting the river.
by Roxy the Rat Girl » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:58 pm
therisingblues wrote:Thank you for the informed comments RTRG.
So how do you know so much about rivers?
by Bully » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:06 pm
Ian wrote:Bully wrote:I agree , it would . But I am told " who says the water that falls in Queensland is ours "? . I am saying we don't but who said that the south Australian government at its people decide who gets what in the country?
Nature says so, the river system relied on water from up stream long before white settlement, just something else we've stuffed up since we moved here, that former Kiwi ex dictator (premier) of yours had a fair bit to do with creating QLD's "it's ours" attitude, FFS, aren't we supposed to be 1 country..................let's all start looking after ALL of our country together!!Bully wrote:I'm told we are arrogant for saying it ours ( to me if something is in your back hard it's yours , whether its water, a tree, a piee of fruit but that's my view )
Not just arrogant, ignorant and selfish also come to mind!
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