If you pushed past a police line to see if your mum is OK.

[kickinit]

Sorry mate.
If police went crazy in that situation and arrested everyone that entered the premises ALL HELL would have broken loose and then you would of had the issue of a riot at scene.

Not that great to evacuate the neighbourhood and call in the STARIES in. The scene could have gone pear shaped very quickly.

Its funny how critical you are of the SA police but if they were there for you in a life threatening situation I am sure you would change your way of thinking.

Cheers

HAHAHA funniest thing i've ever heard, so arresting 5 guys would of turned into a riot. There where 3 officers there and a D against 5 bikies, those numbers aint going to start a riot, and the starries wouldn't be called for something like that. I'm not saying they had to stop them at all cost but they could of tried at least, and if the situation started getting out of control then let me go.

And i'm sure your way of thinking would change also if you where in a life threating situation and the police said sorry where to scared becuase there's more of them then us.

Ok .... You know all

I take it you have been in a situation like that ?

Hate to tell you but I have !!!!

So you would be happy if you where in a life and death situation and a police officer turned up said sorry I can't do nothing because there's too many of them, but I know who they are so I can charge them with your murder later?

[southee]

How was that situation with them walking in the house "life and death"?

Just wondering.....

[whufc]

How was that situation with them walking in the house "life and death"?

Just wondering.....

Wasn't life or death but could be the difference between a slap on the wrist or a long term jail sentence depending on why they went in the house.

[kickinit]

How was that situation with them walking in the house "life and death"?

Just wondering.....

Wasn't life or death but could be the difference between a slap on the wrist or a long term jail sentence depending on why they went in the house.

could also mean that they now make the police look stupid as they where allowed into the house

[mickey]

Elizabeth Police Station Phone
8207 9446.
SUPERVISOR
Sergeant Paul Kearney
Mobile: 045 756 0913
Email: paul.kearney@police.sa.gov.au

Im sure if u give this guy a call and offer your services to round up all the bikies in the Northern Suburbs, he would be glad to have your assistance!

[whufc]

Elizabeth Police Station Phone
8207 9446.
SUPERVISOR
Sergeant Paul Kearney
Mobile: 045 756 0913
Email: paul.kearney@police.sa.gov.au

Im sure if u give this guy a call and offer your services to round up all the bikies in the Northern Suburbs, he would be glad to have your assistance!

Scary how much assistance one could give them but definatly not worth any form of risk

[kickinit]

How was that situation with them walking in the house "life and death"?

Just wondering.....

i never said it was a life and death situation. Your the one that said my opion would change if i was in a life threating situation and needed the police help. I only asked you if you would be happy if you where in a life and death situation and the police said they couldn't help.

i don't have a problem against police. I do have a problem when they get given tax payers money trained and don't do there job. The 3 police officers and the D could of done something to try and prevent them from entering the house and if it started to get out of hand then they could of let me them walk inside. You also have to remeber that those officers where carrying mase batten and a pistol against 5 guys who where unarmed, and could of gotten weapons once they where inside the house.

[kickinit]

Elizabeth Police Station Phone
8207 9446.
SUPERVISOR
Sergeant Paul Kearney
Mobile: 045 756 0913
Email: paul.kearney@police.sa.gov.au

Im sure if u give this guy a call and offer your services to round up all the bikies in the Northern Suburbs, he would be glad to have your assistance!

and you don't think they know where they all are or who they are? the probleming with locking them up is proving that they have done something illegal and then beating there very good and expensive lawyers in court

[HH3]

How was that situation with them walking in the house "life and death"?

Just wondering.....

i never said it was a life and death situation. Your the one that said my opion would change if i was in a life threating situation and needed the police help. I only asked you if you would be happy if you where in a life and death situation and the police said they couldn't help.

i don't have a problem against police. I do have a problem when they get given tax payers money trained and don't do there job. The 3 police officers and the D could of done something to try and prevent them from entering the house and if it started to get out of hand then they could of let me them walk inside. You also have to remeber that those officers where carrying mase batten and a pistol against 5 guys who where unarmed, and could of gotten weapons once they where inside the house.

Sooo...you want the police to LOOK like they're standing up to them, but if the bikies make a bit of a ruckus and start swinging, you reckon they should let them in?

Why not just let them in, supervise what they're doing, and arrest them when theres less risk to the bikie, the police and the public...oh hang on...thats what they did.

[HH3]

Elizabeth Police Station Phone
8207 9446.
SUPERVISOR
Sergeant Paul Kearney
Mobile: 045 756 0913
Email: paul.kearney@police.sa.gov.au

Im sure if u give this guy a call and offer your services to round up all the bikies in the Northern Suburbs, he would be glad to have your assistance!

and you don't think they know where they all are or who they are? the probleming with locking them up is proving that they have done something illegal and then beating there very good and expensive lawyers in court

Exactly. The police are doing their jobs. They are getting them into courts in front of judges...THATS where the legal system breaks down.

[Pseudo]

Why not just let them in, supervise what they're doing, and arrest them when theres less risk to the bikie, the police and the public...

Because TASERS are more fun!

[kickinit]

i don't want the police to LOOK like there do something I WANT THEM TO DO SOMETHING. that's what they got trained and what they get paid to do so do it. When they are doing there job and the situation becomes out of hand then they should step back, but they shouldn't step back and say we'll just get them later. I'm sure if they had actually spoken to them and said we'll escourt you through the house to make sure you don't touch anything they would of been happy. But it doesn't really matter as HH# you where probably one of the cops too scared to do anything.

[woodublieve12]

i don't want the police to LOOK like there do something I WANT THEM TO DO SOMETHING. that's what they got trained and what they get paid to do so do it. When they are doing there job and the situation becomes out of hand then they should step back, but they shouldn't step back and say we'll just get them later. I'm sure if they had actually spoken to them and said we'll escourt you through the house to make sure you don't touch anything they would of been happy. But it doesn't really matter as HH# you where probably one of the cops too scared to do anything.

you have any knowledge how sapol works???? do you have a love one who works in sapol???? as i said before the police had no option when this incident went down... if they got physical, they would have been well over there head, you say the should have done something... again what would you like those officers to do against very angry and dangerous men??? there 1st priority is there own safety and the safety of there collegues, regardless of training they were no match to take those people on. common sense prevailed...
i reckon police dont get payed enough to do the job they do...

i bet you're one of those people who blame the police when you get pinged for speeding and claim its revenue raising...

you really have no idea what you are talking about... why dont you hand your application in to police recruitment and you can go and try and be a hero...

[kickinit]

you have any knowledge how sapol works???? do you have a love one who works in sapol???? as i said before the police had no option when this incident went down... if they got physical, they would have been well over there head, you say the should have done something... again what would you like those officers to do against very angry and dangerous men??? there 1st priority is there own safety and the safety of there collegues, regardless of training they were no match to take those people on. common sense prevailed...
i reckon police dont get payed enough to do the job they do...

i bet you're one of those people who blame the police when you get pinged for speeding and claim its revenue raising...

you really have no idea what you are talking about... why dont you hand your application in to police recruitment and you can go and try and be a hero...

I have a cousin that works in sapol and I also have another 2 cousins that work in the air force.

So your telling me the 4 officers plus the others inside the house who where armed couldn't do anything at all to 5 unarmed men? If that is the case why do we waste tax payers money on sapol? How can you say there dangerous? where they armed did they threaten the police? what because there bikies it makes them automatically dangerous? How is the sapol suppose to do there job if they can't even stop a couple unarmed men.

If i'm speeding then i'm speeding if I see a cop sitting behind a tree or bus stop with a radar gun then yes thats revenue raising.

I would never put in a application to be a cop 1. I get paid too much for working in the resource sector 2. my application would be denied because of people i'm friends with.

[HH3]

you have any knowledge how sapol works???? do you have a love one who works in sapol???? as i said before the police had no option when this incident went down... if they got physical, they would have been well over there head, you say the should have done something... again what would you like those officers to do against very angry and dangerous men??? there 1st priority is there own safety and the safety of there collegues, regardless of training they were no match to take those people on. common sense prevailed...
i reckon police dont get payed enough to do the job they do...

i bet you're one of those people who blame the police when you get pinged for speeding and claim its revenue raising...

you really have no idea what you are talking about... why dont you hand your application in to police recruitment and you can go and try and be a hero...

I have a cousin that works in sapol and I also have another 2 cousins that work in the air force.

So your telling me the 4 officers plus the others inside the house who where armed couldn't do anything at all to 5 unarmed men? If that is the case why do we waste tax payers money on sapol? How can you say there dangerous? where they armed did they threaten the police? what because there bikies it makes them automatically dangerous? How is the sapol suppose to do there job if they can't even stop a couple unarmed men.

If i'm speeding then i'm speeding if I see a cop sitting behind a tree or bus stop with a radar gun then yes thats revenue raising.

I would never put in a application to be a cop 1. I get paid too much for working in the resource sector 2. my application would be denied because of people i'm friends with.

1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.

2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.

3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.

4) You still have no idea.

[kickinit]

1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.

2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.

3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.

4) You still have no idea.

1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?

2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case

3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.

4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.

Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?

[HH3]

1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.

2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.

3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.

4) You still have no idea.

1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?

2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case

3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.

4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.

Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?

Not a cop mate. Just know that what they did is exactly what they've been trained to do. Assess the situation and weigh up whether or not its worth psyching these guys up.

The guys probably wont worry about the charges too much because they're pretty minor. They'll probably just get fines. Which is another reason why there was no reason for the police to spark a physical confrontation.

You obviously cant be bothered trying to understand what police actually do. They go through extensive and ongoing training on how to handle situations to minimise risk to themselves, the public and the criminals. You're obviously one of those people that sit back and think police do nothing and get paid off your hard earned dime, when really you should probably be more worried about your mates who commit the crimes, which in turn creates a greater need for the police force to exist and expand and wasting your precious tax dollars.

Im done with this argument now. You wont accept the reality of what actually happened no matter what anyone else with a greater knowledge has to say.

Good chat

[tipper]

Why not just let them in, supervise what they're doing, and arrest them when theres less risk to the bikie, the police and the public...

Because TASERS are more fun!

unfortunately here in sa the SAPOL hierarchy in their infinite wisdom dont allow each police officer to be issued with a taser. some vehicles have them, but they must be stored in the boot. there is no guarantee that the vehicles present in this situation were carrying one, and if they were, by the time it was retreived the individuals would have been inside the house already. and can you imagine the outcry if they had used their .40 cal pistols on them, with the other bystanders and media there was a high chance of "innocent" casualties. there is also nothing to say that the individuals in question werent armed, "raids" on bikies regularly turn up a variety of unregistered handguns, longarms (admittedly they probably didnt have a rifle up their shirt in this situation), knives, batons etc. it could have escalated very quickly.

i also dont think that the officers present had much other choice than what they did. i am pretty sure that they would have stated that there was no one left in the house, and were ignored. it is also not as easy as "steping away" if things "get out of hand". if they had gotten physical in trying to stop unauthorised people entering the crime scene, and it had escalated into an all out brawl, they cant then just call out "stop" and have the whole thing cease. it wouldnt have stopped until either all of the officers were beaten to a bloody pulp, or all of the offenders were in cuffs. i think the former situation is much more likely. are people really suggesting that the police should get beaten up, and not stop them anyway?? wouldnt that cost us taxpayers more in medical bills and workers compensation?

i have the utmost respect for most police officers, they do a thankless job, and have to constantly deal with the worst our society has to offer, however the suggestions of "if you were in a life or death situation and the cops turned up and said they couldnt do anything cos its too dangerous" are laughable. if you were getting beaten up by bikies, or in a life or death situation by the time the cops turned up it would be more than likely all finished and the offenders would be long gone. remember when seconds count the cops are only minutes away

[southee]

1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.

2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.

3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.

4) You still have no idea.

1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?

2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case

3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.

4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.

Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?

I think 2 & 4 sum up really where you are coming from.

Couisin wont talk to you as you have mates with criminal records. I say good on him for doing that as it shows what sort of character you are.

With point 4 , you are stereotyping what a police officer does. If you think they sit on their butts having coffee and eating donuts you are quite deluded and watch to many Hollywood movies.

Maybe a good idea for you is to go and do some volunteer work at the front of a police station and see if you might get a better perspective of what a police officer does. I think you my be quite suprised.

One thing a person in the military or police do is to "Assess and Re-Assess" a situation. This was done.

[whufc]

1) If they're behind a tree and catch you speeding, its not revenue raising...you're still speeding.

2) You should probably go talk to your cousin in SAPOL to see what they say. You would be wrong still.

3) WTF does having 2 cousins in the Air Force got to do with anything? RAAF and SAPOL are unrelated, as is the SAS.

4) You still have no idea.

1) i've never been caught speeding, but if it's not revenue raising then why do they need to hide?

2) my cousin doesn't speak because of who I know, funny though the guys that have been charged have been told not to worry about the case

3) clearly stating that I know how it feels to have love ones in situation that could kill them. It's funny though you don't see our defence force saying they can't go away to war becuase it's not safe. It's there job it's what there trained and paid to do.

4) and your obviously cop and think you don't get paid enough to eat donuts and drink coffee all day.

Isn't it apart of a police officer job stop people from breaking the law?

I think 2 & 4 sum up really where you are coming from.

Couisin wont talk to you as you have mates with criminal records. I say good on him for doing that as it shows what sort of character you are.

With point 4 , you are stereotyping what a police officer does. If you think they sit on their butts having coffee and eating donuts you are quite deluded and watch to many Hollywood movies.

Maybe a good idea for you is to go and do some volunteer work at the front of a police station and see if you might get a better perspective of what a police officer does. I think you my be quite suprised.

One thing a person in the military or police do is to "Assess and Re-Assess" a situation. This was done.

Shitehouse comment so if someone you have known for 20 years all of a sudden gets a criminal record your gonna have nothing to do with them because of how it may make your 'character' look