Drug testing to get the Dole

[scoob]

pretty sure im gonna get chinese for tea tonight

14 tubs of special fried rice?

[tigermad]

pretty sure im gonna get chinese for tea tonight

14 tubs of special fried rice?

best fried rice going !!!

[Pseudo]

Obviously no. Try surviving on the dole for a while (what like $230 a week?) and see if you don't dabble in a little escapism from your shitty reality whether via booze or drugs.

I'd deal with my shitty reality by getting off my arse and getting a job.

(edit) ahhh, scoob beat me to it

[Pseudo]

pretty sure im gonna get chinese for tea tonight

Are you on the dole?

[Q.]

Won't work without diversion programs. Divert these druggies to taxable substances like alcohol, cigarettes and pokies, so the cost of maintaining these bums is recuperated.

And sterilise them. Cleanse the gene pool of inferior genetics.

[Gozu]

And sterilise them. Cleanse the gene pool of inferior genetics.

Psyber to thread!

[RustyCage]

So what happens once someone is cut off from centrelink? Lose the roof over their heads? Unable to put food on the table for their kids? Resort to crime to help them get what they need? Add to the cities homeless?

It's ok to say "cut them off and save the rest of us some money" but what happens after that?

They could alway resort to getting a job........just throwing it out there!!

because it's so easy to just go out and get a job. Most unemployed people don't choose to be unemployed, many factors out of the job seekers hands

[Strawb]

Transadelaide are after train drivers at the moment. Jobs are out their most places prefer labour hire before gainfully employing some people. I have been unemployed but I kept applying, Getting knock backs sucks I know I had my fair share of them but I kept on applying. I found my old job sheet and I would apply for 20-30 jobs a week when I first moved back to Melbourne. The jobs in Adelaide are there also it is just a matter of finding them, who cares if it working the graveyard shift at On The Run it is better than the dole.

[nuggety goodness]

I used to work for a large Job Service Provider and can tell you that probably 80% of our clients didn't want to work.

Many of them were earning cash through other means, legal or illegal and there was nothing that we could do about it.

All the systems that centrelink have put in place are good in theory but they don't stack up. The Job Seekers (ha!!) are supposed to do modules to prepare them for work and apply for X amount of jobs and go to interviews that are set up for them and if they don't they are supposed to have their benefit either reduced or cut off for a short amount of time. As soon as this happens, as it inevitably does, it gets reported. Centrelink then follow up with the said person and they come up with a sob story and centrelink do nothing about it.

The 'basics card' is the best way to ensure the allowances they receive are not wasted on unnecessary leisure and pleasure, direct debit rent and whatever bills then the rest on a card for groceries.

What people fail to see is the dole is an 'unemployment benefit'. Go to America and whinge about getting $250+ a week for sitting on your arse!!!

It's too easy to live here on the dole. Money for nothing, why work when the government takes care of you...

[HH3]

But then there are some Job Agency case workers that dont do what they really should do. When I was unemployed for a while, Id come from an admin background, so thats all my person would apply for. I know this because she would tell me "you dont want that. thats a labour job". I know for a fact there was a job going at Boral pavers and they needed someone ASAP. I told her to put me forward for it and she wouldnt.

One day she was away when I had an appointment so some other guy saw me, talked to me for 5 minutes and realised I really wanted a job. By the end of that meeting I was in a week long course that lead to a job in retail. That position was only a temporary casual position, so 6 months later I was back with the dud lady. She did the same thing, and after 3 months I ended up getting a job on my own, through people I knew through footy.

Been here 2 and a half years and moved up 3 positions from the warehouse to now having a cushy office job.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I just cant understand how anyone would want to be on the dole, and stay on it! Personally I like the feeling of having money in my bank and the freedom of being able to do things!! These people who want to rort the system so they can stay home, get stoned, play video games all day and knock up their filthy Mrs are a shit stain on the undies of society!!

Getting a job is not hard FFS! I think the longest Ive had to actually look for a job has been a couple of weeks, there are plenty out there!

[Hefty]

So what happens once someone is cut off from centrelink? Lose the roof over their heads? Unable to put food on the table for their kids? Resort to crime to help them get what they need? Add to the cities homeless?

It's ok to say "cut them off and save the rest of us some money" but what happens after that?

They could alway resort to getting a job........just throwing it out there!!

because it's so easy to just go out and get a job. Most unemployed people don't choose to be unemployed, many factors out of the job seekers hands

That's a cop out. I understand people on disability pension etc being unemployed but slack-jawed yokels who choose not to work/find employment and rather sit on the dole don't have any excuse. As Strawb said people who really do want to work will apply for anything even if that means working night shift at a BP.

[OnSong]

Yes they do but they wouldn't dare employ the same tactic with white people.

I think someone said they're trialling it in the Playford area as well.

Correct. It's predominantly voluntary at the moment.
Pretty sure they do it in Western Australia, about 70 per cent are voluntary while the rest tend to be case by case referrals to the spending control system.
So, yes, they do it with white people as well.

[Strawb]

But then there are some Job Agency case workers that dont do what they really should do. When I was unemployed for a while, Id come from an admin background, so thats all my person would apply for. I know this because she would tell me "you dont want that. thats a labour job". I know for a fact there was a job going at Boral pavers and they needed someone ASAP. I told her to put me forward for it and she wouldnt.

One day she was away when I had an appointment so some other guy saw me, talked to me for 5 minutes and realised I really wanted a job. By the end of that meeting I was in a week long course that lead to a job in retail. That position was only a temporary casual position, so 6 months later I was back with the dud lady. She did the same thing, and after 3 months I ended up getting a job on my own, through people I knew through footy.

Been here 2 and a half years and moved up 3 positions from the warehouse to now having a cushy office job.

HH i know what you mean when I moved back to Victoria I wanted a job quickly I went the labour hire option and got work til Australia Day then unemployed. The job agency I was with took one look and said I am right to do it on my own. They never offered me a lead or anything. I cold canvased, applied online did everything I could to find work. That was over 6 years ago. In those 6 years I have been unemployed for a month max when changing jobs.

[Q.]

I just cant understand how anyone would want to be on the dole, and stay on it! Personally I like the feeling of having money in my bank and the freedom of being able to do things!! These people who want to rort the system so they can stay home, get stoned, play video games all day and knock up their filthy Mrs are a shit stain on the undies of society!!

Getting a job is not hard FFS! I think the longest Ive had to actually look for a job has been a couple of weeks, there are plenty out there!

It is hard sometimes. My bro-in-law is a chronic alcoholic and struggled to find work and when he did find it, he struggled to keep it. And he was someone that wanted so badly to find a full-time job.

He has finally got himself some stability, through no help of job agencies or Centrelink.

[Phantom Gossiper]

It is hard sometimes. My bro-in-law is a chronic alcoholic and struggled to find work and when he did find it, he struggled to keep it. And he was someone that wanted so badly to find a full-time job.

He has finally got himself some stability, through no help of job agencies or Centrelink.

Yeah sorry, I understand some people might have difficulties through illness and the likes, and your brother obviously fits into that catergory. However there are just countless numbers of people who have no excuse except laziness and that frustrates me!

[Wedgie]

Yes they do but they wouldn't dare employ the same tactic with white people.

I think someone said they're trialling it in the Playford area as well.

Correct. It's predominantly voluntary at the moment.
Pretty sure they do it in Western Australia, about 70 per cent are voluntary while the rest tend to be case by case referrals to the spending control system.
So, yes, they do it with white people as well.

You conveniently missed my reply to that.
Its purely voluntary in the areas like Playford where white people live.
Its not purely voluntary in the remote communities where white people don't live.
And "coincidentally" enough there's a large population of indigenous people living in the Playford area, its not implemented even on a voluntary basis in the Norwood or Unley area or other areas where there isn't.

[OnSong]

Yes they do but they wouldn't dare employ the same tactic with white people.

I think someone said they're trialling it in the Playford area as well.

Correct. It's predominantly voluntary at the moment.
Pretty sure they do it in Western Australia, about 70 per cent are voluntary while the rest tend to be case by case referrals to the spending control system.
So, yes, they do it with white people as well.

You conveniently missed my reply to that.
Its purely voluntary in the areas like Playford where white people live.
Its not purely voluntary in the remote communities where white people don't live.
And "coincidentally" enough there's a large population of indigenous people living in the Playford area, its not implemented even on a voluntary basis in the Norwood or Unley area or other areas where there isn't.

The system in the NT is vastly different to what is being trialled in Playford, let's make that clear from the start.
It won't always be voluntary and there will be those referred to the system for their flagrant disregard of their pension provisions, eventually.

[Wedgie]

I thought I was clear in saying the system in remote communities was completely different to the one in the Playford area hence my point of different rules for different folks. It was others who said the system was running here too which is pretty irrelevent considering the terms of each of the systems.

[OnSong]

I thought I was clear in saying the system in remote communities was completely different to the one in the Playford area hence my point of different rules for different folks. It was others who said the system was running here too which is pretty irrelevent considering the terms of each of the systems.

I realise that. I don't understand why you think that's an issue.