London Riots

[westcoastpanther]

This all got me thinking, here I sit in cozy Australia slamming a ruthless, murdering Syrian government for shooting protesters. Watching the London riots unfold I'm thinking like Centurion, shoot and bash the feral bastards. The police however have no power and do nothing.

Maybe Syria has it right, nail a few and nip it in the bud. If you go to a rally, you take the chance you could be one of the few. Can guarantee half these gutless little pricks with the mob mentality wouldn't be there if they thought they could be shot, in the face hey Centurion.

A fair bit of difference though. Middle Eastern uprisings were politically motivated and in search of basic rights.

The London riots seemingly have no connection with any political protest and are far removed from the initial incident.

Agree, so then we should only be shooting the spoilt little pom ferals....

[Q.]

Seems like an answer, but it would only create more problems and may only cause an entire underclass to unite in actual protest, which the State would rather not see.

[Psyber]

A fair bit of difference though. Middle Eastern uprisings were politically motivated and in search of basic rights.
The London riots seemingly have no connection with any political protest and are far removed from the initial incident.

London does seem to be more about drunken criminality and resentment politics, rather than genuinely about basic rights and needs.

The assumption that all business owner's are rich expressed by a couple of girls is an example.
In the past I have been involved in two small businesses and neither of them were worth the effort.
Most small business owners stay in because they can't afford to bail out in this world economic climate - they are trapped.

My wife was trapped in her business, unable to sell it, and when I came on the scene I found a way to bail her out.
1. I bought premises and moved it into them, having first found someone who wanted to take over her lease.
2. Then I sold the stock off over the next several months to other businesses.
3. Then I sold the premises.

Getting out of the lease was first priority, making minimum loss on the business was next, then came a small profit on the premises.
It helped that I took over the business from her so the losses became mine and could be offset against other income.

[Ronnie]

The UK have followed a lunatic social policy for a while now where 'rights' have been elevated above all else to a degree beyond reasonable.
You can behave as moroncially and abusively as you like and who is going to do anything about it? your modern day teacher, police officer, or member of the judiciary aren't. There will always be a self serving social worker there to back you up, and someone else to blame.
If the sanctions and penalties against bad behaviour have been largely stripped away from schools, home, and the criminal justice system then those disposed to bad behaviour will see no need to stop. What are the restraints?
If you believe that married two parent familes are no better than other alternatives, that education, self discipline and having aspirations in life beyond drugs and self gratification are meaningless concepts, then you are going to end up in a very dark place. Your average domestic dog displays better values and behaviour than the rioters.

[Aerie]

Well said Ronnie.

This is just disgraceful to see. It's the "gang of 49" on a huge scale and it must be terrifying to be there.

Will be very interesting to see the outcome of all this.

[Q.]

But that's a broad social policy applicable to all classes.

Doesn't explain why the looting/rioting is only being perpetuated by the lowest class.

[Footy Smart]

But that's a broad social policy applicable to all classes.

Doesn't explain why the looting/rioting is only being perpetuated by the lowest class.

May be a generalisation but don’t low socio economic areas have higher crime rates/incidents of voilance? Once you get a mob of these people together 'what do they have to loose'? a Job? a house? The stuff they stole?.....

[Wedgie]

I blame soccer, poor buggers get so bored and could previously take it out by rioting at games, now that that's been stamped down upon they have to vent their frustration somewhere. Probably no coincidence it started at Tottenham! (I'm allowed to say that as I'm a Spurs fan)

[JAS]

But that's a broad social policy applicable to all classes.

Doesn't explain why the looting/rioting is only being perpetuated by the lowest class.

May be a generalisation but don’t low socio economic areas have higher crime rates/incidents of voilance? Once you get a mob of these people together 'what do they have to loose'? a Job? a house? The stuff they stole?.....

Although most involved would be from 'deprived' areas/backgrounds to be fair it doesn't apply to all. One person arrested turns out to be a graphic designer but then again when you look back at the soccer holiganism plenty of them were from middle class backgrounds and occupations.

What's been happening is criminal plain and simple...these kids are not trying to make any sort of political statement. They would be shoplifting, housebreaking, car stealing, vandalising etc anyway this week...it just so happens they've got together via social media to do it en masse. A couple of them that the News crews got on camera last night said they were stealing stuff cos they can, it's what they do.

Sadly things in Birmingham took a very nasty turn last night with 3 guys killed...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bi ... m-14471405

Police have begun a murder inquiry after three pedestrians were run over and killed by a driver in Birmingham.

A man has been arrested and a vehicle recovered after the incident at about 01:00 BST on Dudley Road, Winson Green.

The casualties were taken to City Hospital where about 200 people from the Asian community gathered...

...and I kid you not about the the weather thing...still no trouble north of Liverpool where it's been cold and pouring with rain despite Newcastle, Glasgow, Dundee, Edinburgh etc having just the same sort of deprived areas and criminally-minded youth.

Regards
JAS

[Brucetiki]

Find it funny that after 3 days they're only considering firing plastic bullets. If the riots were in certain parts of Belfast, the plastic bullets would have been the first thing out!

[JAS]

Find it funny that after 3 days they're only considering firing plastic bullets. If the riots were in certain parts of Belfast, the plastic bullets would have been the first thing out!

Apart from the fact that firing even plastic rounds at kids as young as 10yo (apparently there were 10/11 yo's caught joining in in Manchester) would most likely make things escalate from what was being said on the News yesterday one problem for the authorities and the victims is that the Government apparently haven't officially declared it a 'riot' yet. This has an effect on what powers the police have and as for victims they said it affects their insurance too.

For those that might be thinking what the hell does it matter what it's called. It really does. For example when the Falklands kicked off it was a 'Conflict' not a 'War' therefor the VC could not be awarded and IIRC it also meant injured servicmen also got a lower pension. It took a public and media campaign to get it changed.

Regards
JAS

[JAS]

I blame soccer, poor buggers get so bored and could previously take it out by rioting at games, now that that's been stamped down upon they have to vent their frustration somewhere. Probably no coincidence it started at Tottenham! (I'm allowed to say that as I'm a Spurs fan)

Nah...more likely to have been organized by the Evil Empire to take the heat off the Murdochs. They've totally disappeared from the news since this kicked off. Would be much more their style/scale than a pie flinging, so-called comedian

Regards
JAS

[Dog_ger]

An Absolute disgrace on multi culturalism.

An absolute disgrace on "someone high up" that must do something to achieve less unemployment.

There is no excuse for what is happening in this Great Land.

[CENTURION]

Now that I have quelled My rage, maybe, just maybe, shooting them in the face is going a bit too far. BUT I am still all for a public display of some sort of action by the police, to put fear into the eyes & hearts of the rioters. Maybe just a knee-capping or two.

[redandblack]

I knew you were just a softie at heart, Centurion.

But I like the idea of a public display - sort of brings back the best parts of the old guillotine days .

By the way, it seems that some posters idea of 'justice' is very similar to some supposed aspects of Sharia Law

[dedja]

Water cannon, or maybe some 10CC?

I went to a party at the local county jail
All the cons were dancing and the band began to wail
But the guys were indiscreet
They were brawling in the street
At the local dance at the local county jail

Well the band were playing
And the booze began to flow
But the sound came over on the police car radio
Down at Precinct 49
Having a tear-gas of a time
Sergeant Baker got a call from the governor of the county jail

Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets
Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets

I love to hear those convicts squeal
It's a shame these slugs ain't real
But we can't have dancin' at the local county jail

Sergeant Baker and his men made a bee-line for the jail
And for miles around
You could hear the sirens wail
There's a rumor goin' round death row
That a fuse is gonna blow
At the local hop at the local county jail

Whatcha gonna do about it, whatcha gonna do
Whatcha gonna do about it, whatcha gonna do

Sergeant Baker started talkin'
With a bullhorn in his hand
He was cool, he was clear
He was always in command
He said "Blood will flow;
Here Padre
Padre you talk to your boys..."
"Trust in me -
God will come to set you free"

Well we don't understand
Why you called in the National Guard
When Uncle Sam is the one
Who belongs in the exercise yard
We all got balls and brains
But some's got balls and chains
At the local dance at the local county jail

Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets
Load up, load up, load up with rubber bullets

Is it really such a crime
For a guy to spend his time
At the local dance at the local county jail
At the local dance at the local county jail

Whatcha gonna do about it, whatcha gonna do
Whatcha gonna do about it, whatcha gonna do

[JAS]

I knew you were just a softie at heart, Centurion.

But I like the idea of a public display - sort of brings back the best parts of the old guillotine days .

By the way, it seems that some posters idea of 'justice' is very similar to some supposed aspects of Sharia Law

Yeh you're getting there CENTURION..slowly...but you're getting there.

One of the problems here imho was the introduction of ASBO's (Anti-Social Behaviour Orders) as a form of punishment... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbo ...the kids just saw them as a 'badge of honour' and now treat almost any other non-custodial sentence the same way (may even apply to custodial sentences too)

I would still like to see an ultra-fast track court system that would allow the guilty ones to be used to clear up the mess they created. Have them do it whilst wearing the most uncool uniform imaginable so it carries an element of embarrassment rather than pride. I honestly believe being made to publicly face and partake in the physical consequnces of their actions would have a better effect than just a judical wrist slap because the prison/youth detention places are over flowing already.

Regards
JAS

[Gozu]

"Who are the rioters? Young men from poor areas ... but that's not the full story":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 ... intcmp=239

Good article.

[Sojourner]

So what happens to the whole population of the UK when it finally ends? Their nation is already growing steeply in debt, what happens when all the insurance premiums rise dramatically and the cost of goods in the stores goes up yet again for everyone?

[Footy Chick]

So what happens to the whole population of the UK when it finally ends? Their nation is already growing steeply in debt, what happens when all the insurance premiums rise dramatically and the cost of goods in the stores goes up yet again for everyone?

They'll all move here, never get citizenship and Centrals will have even more bloody supporters